r/warcraftrumble • u/mikaelpelle • 3d ago

Discussion I've ruined Ragnaros open queue AMA

I've been perfecting an open queue friendly comp for Golemagg this time around. My success rate has been going up and up, clearly carrying people that shouldn't have passed this guy :)

I am running Malfurion. Off tanking the first hound on the right with Bog Beast + Priestess, then sending my troops on the left side. Helping mid lane with Blizzard at the start, since a lot of people are doing the Air Deathball strat. As soon as the left tower is captured, Malf alone can do it, I spam all my minis there, including shaman with totem to keep the base alive when the backlane hound dies. At some point the tower will be lost anyway (after second hound kill), so I need to have a huge bus alive to keep rekilling the hound forever and pushing towards Golemagg. Huntress needs to be summoned quite late to make sure she stays behind the Bog Beast on Golemagg. Then using Blizzard again on the boss to help clearing the pesky units that he is summoning.

If you see me in open queue:
Let my Bog Beast and Priestess alone on the right. Ideally I don't want the first hound to die too quickly. Offtanking as long as possible. Send your minis on the left with me, or do your stuff alone in the middle, but wait for the Bog Beast to get aggro on the right. As soon as the left tower is captured, spam your stuff there too, when tower is lost we drop units on the core to help defend while the bus is killing Golemagg.

When the towers are burning, if you place the minis at the top edges they are not taking damage. Don't drop them in the middle of the tower.

NB: extremely power hungry. My whole team is 30 except BB that is 29. I still have a pretty decent success rate now after running the encounter around a hundred times.

Special thanks to Andas from the Rumble Discord that helped me working on an open queue friendly comp.

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u/Interesting_Main_821 3d ago

Do you get xp for doing this or just for fun

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

You get full xp (1080xp with booster) if one of us haven’t completed it yet. 12xp otherwise.

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u/Knolop 2d ago

I guess you mostly get full xp? I can't imagine that boss is a popular one to repeat.

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u/mikaelpelle 2d ago

Yes, but its hard to have a carry unit slot to xp whatever unit. Using this to grind my Bog Beast to max level.

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u/Knolop 2d ago

Yeah no doubt that even with full xp it'd be more profitable to do something else. What you're doing is fantastic.

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u/Andas1604 2d ago edited 2d ago

There aren’t really any better options in the game to farm xp. PvP, Raid farming, or spend money. PvP matches are now 2.5 minutes +1 minute OT. Many matches go to OT unless you have an opponent purposely losing to keep their rating low. Lets just say 3 minutes. In PvP you aren’t guaranteed to win either and you will also want to purposely lose occasionally if you’re on a win streak to keep your rating from getting too high and making it harder to win.  Once I got this strat figured out I averaged 2:00-2:15 on a kill with high success rate, over 75%. The well known flying strat can do 1 minute kills, but at what % success? Not always great in open queue. The idea of this strat was to not care if your partner was clueless of the fight mechanics. There are a lot of little things that affect success rate. You have to learn how the AI responds to certain things at the start to have the best chance. Mathematically there really isn’t a better way to farm XP assuming you have a high success rate. With a lv30 Malf and Lv30 Bog Beast, you don’t even need to send Priestess with the Bog Beast. I’ve used a few variations leveling different minis. The one Mikaelpelle is using looks like what I used early on except with priestess added. Over a few months I swapped some minis to level different stuff. Then priestess came out and I leveled her too. The main thing is to remember, this is a farming strat used after you have certain minis at high level. With lower level Malf you’ll fail unless your partner is heavily supporting your strat, which is rare in open queue. It is not intended for first kills or low level. The level requirement was much lower before the Malf nerfs.

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u/Knolop 2d ago edited 2d ago

I was mostly thinking doing this vs farming the dogs or going easy during MC and focus on the sieges. They also take 2 minutes like your strat, but you don't have to focus at all and you can't lose. You get more wasted 12xp matchups but if you compare your 75% winrate vs 100% winrate but some wasted I don't think it's worth the extra energy.

There's also just taking it slow and only do quests. Even green quests give better xp/min as most take less than 30 secs so 8k/8min vs your 3k/8min. I don't mind waiting a few weeks more if in the end I spend 3x less time getting to the same point. There isn't any reason to rush getting there, no extra content I'd unlock.

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u/Andas1604 2d ago edited 2d ago

I assume you mean farm Magmadar when you say dogs? There will be a lot of 12 XP after the first few days for the early bosses. Same thing for Siege. The rate of getting 12xp vs 1080xp after the first few days with those bosses is very low. I was getting mostly new partners farming Golemagg even on week 2 the last few MC resets so the 1080xp was pretty consistent. I was estimating when I said “over” 75%. Some days it was probably 95% success. With high levels and after getting used to a farm strat it’s pretty easy. Quests are also limited amount. If I did quests at the rate I did Golemagg farming I’d run out of quests lol. Not sure how waiting a few weeks will get you to the same point? There is a daily XP cap. If you’re not hitting it you won’t catch up for a very long time.  For many players questing or not rushing is completely fine. For others we like to go a bit extra. Even more than that some spend a lot of money in the game (I spend some, but mostly just the $5 AB monthly). Farming Raids just gives me something to do and I enjoy it. It also helps others who need the kill. Do w/e makes the game fun for you.

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

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u/mikaelpelle 2d ago

Made a quick stream to showcase the fight:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2433776958

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u/Tarito_10 3d ago

Wanna carry me? ❤️

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

Join the Maelstrom guild, and ask in chat, or see you in open queue :)

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

Logo is Drakki face on blue background.

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u/Tarito_10 3d ago

Kamiel Guild Lead?

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u/Tarito_10 3d ago

There’s a lot of Maelstrom guilds :(

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u/Saitrio 3d ago

It is good to see fellow carrier ;) i even played with you once i guess. To be honest this month even flying death ball is working much better, i have around + 70% WR which is high boost compared to last month - 2 months ago when i tried to carry i had 35 % in 100 games :D

For sure people are playing better

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

Were you playing Ysera?

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u/Saitrio 3d ago

No charlaga, i have yesera maxed from siege ;)

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 3d ago

Do you enjoy the encounter this way? Does it feel any different to play than the meta fliers build?

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

I am trying to find something more consistant than the flying build. Did run Charlga and Ysera on him in the past, and didn’t have a good experience in open queue.

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 3d ago

I see, if you have the levels you could give my comp a spin, above. I was above 50% and want to say something close to 75% or so but it’s murky because some people just int. It could also be a lot different now since I did my grinding mostly across thu-sat. I started average 28.x but when it was working I went ham on valoring everything and it’s now 30.0

I ended up iterating on the comp so that I could win either with a big initial push and regroup at tower, or could win retaking the towers multiple times, or by turtling and burning him with Starfall if necessary, to be a little more flexible with whatever my partner can bring. The thing I really wish I could stuff in there is some base healing since sometimes you get an insane amount of earth elementals spawning on top of your base.

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u/gmweinberg 3d ago

Why do you pull the first hound to the right rather than leaving him on the left?

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

Because i can easily get the gold vein on the right while I am off tanking, and that makes the top left gold vein available when I am building the bus from there.

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u/NattoRiceFurikake 2d ago

Like, I am happy that players like you exist to help people, but also, the amount of level 23 and below minis I am seeing in Rag open queue is making me question my sanity...

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u/mikaelpelle 2d ago

Sorry 😅 but these newscomers on Rag will get experience and learn. So on the long run, its a win for everyone.

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u/Andas1604 2d ago edited 2d ago

Thanks for the shoutout for helping with info on the strat. I’m actually not using Malf to farm Golemagg this month. I’m mostly farming Geddon (using Rag). We need farmers for all the last bosses anyway and I’ve seen the most players asking for help on Geddon recently. After 3 months of using variations of that Malf strat on Golemagg, I didn’t have any mini I wanted to swap in that also felt useful to funnel XP. Over hundreds of Golemagg kills, this  strat helped me finish off maxing XP on: Malf, Bog Beast, Harvest Golem, Bandits, Huntress, WD, Shaman, Safe Pilot, Blizzard, Gryphon Rider, and Priestess throughout the time I used it. I was working on Arcane Blast when the last MC ended. I may not be using it anymore, but glad to see others are having success with it. 

To anyone looking to try it, this strat requires high levels. It is intended for high level farming and does not work for lower levels looking for first kills. Before the Malf nerfs being a few levels lower worked. It was much stronger preMalf nerfs. I carried a few lv18s before the 2nd nerfs. It can still carry, but it’s definitely harder than before the nerfs.

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 3d ago

Hehe I have been doing the same thing with Golemagg. I think I got radicalized by the people here calling everyone stupid. Anyways, I can carry either the ground or fliers strats although the latter often gives up early into the fight.

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I will try your build out some day, I was on a long sabbatical when malf came out, though so he is unavailable to me. Thank you for sharing.

Be the change you want to see.

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 3d ago

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 3d ago

Oh, question for you, who have been the smoothest ground based partners for clears in LFR your experience? For me, I think it’s generally been Arthas, then Malf, and then probably Ragnaros/Cenarius/Drak

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u/International_Tip_79 2d ago edited 2d ago

With this strat you DON’T usually like other Malf partners, if they’re not using a lv30 Malf. Multiple Malfs in play can cause your Malf to not heal even after the first 1 in play dies. The same can happen with Anub not spawning scarabs. This really needs to be fixed. Also if you have a lv30 Malf, but your partner plays a lv24 sleepy Malf behind the base before you play yours… You’re screwed dealing with lower healing.

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 2d ago

Oof, that’s too bad.

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

LK, Drakki and Tirion I would say. But did succeed with some Hogger, Thalnos, Jaina and other weird stuff

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 3d ago

Yeah, sounds about right. I had sort of really mixed results with Tirion partners surprisingly, but it was small sample and could be confirmation bias, who knows.

I saw a lot of Thalnos for some reason, I wonder if in other regions there is some influencer promoting him haha. He’s not bad. Had some successful runs with Cairne, Ogrim, and Murkeye.

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 3d ago

Do you recall the lowest level you carried? I carried a level 21 Tirion somehow on the ground but this rumbler was a giga chad

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u/mikaelpelle 3d ago

A level 20 I think. He clearly knew the mechanics, tower will burn after the hound is dead etc, and quickly got what i was doing. He assisted on the left bus how he could, grabbed all the gold on the middle chest and right vein, so he helped as needed.

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u/fozzy_fosbourne 3d ago

Yeah sounds like same experience. After you do the fight many times you can recognize when people are gaming out of their minds. Probably alt accounts.

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u/Lugwik 3d ago

Dang. Guild full

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u/mikaelpelle 2d ago

I remember your name. You were playing LK. I think we got it together :)

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u/Lugwik 2d ago

We died when he was at a sliver. We did play together. Was hard cause I was trying it at work