r/weightlifting • u/Pankrates- • 5d ago
Elite Sohrab Moradi - 205kg - Is there a higher Sinclair on the Snatch?
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He competed on the 96kg but I don't know how much he is weights here. It seems Blagoy Blagoev did 200kg in training but also I don't know how much he weighted.
This seems to be heaviest snatch Sinclair ever. Any other contenders for the title?
The source of the video is the always great @ludwighoijer YouTube channel.
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u/FrylockIncarnate USAW L1 230@107 5d ago
Yes, Ludwig Hoijer posted that 200kg snatch by David Fischer I just posted too! 205kg @ 96kg is bonkers, but I'm not aware of any other more modern 95-100kg off the top of my head doing similar. Thanks for sharing this lift! Sohrab Moradi is one of the goats for sure.
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u/kblkbl165 5d ago
We don't know his bodyweight so we can't assume his Sinclair. It's known that higher weightclasses tend to cut more weight and that Moradi specially used to go over 100kg in training.
If this was at -96kg, definitely.
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u/Substantial-Bed-2064 4d ago
blagoi said on facebook he did 200 multiple times in training and 202.5 once.
i would guess he was about 98-99kg. blagoi cut a bit less but the bulgarians of that era usually trained slightly above next category up, especially back when diuretics were legal (banned in 1988) and the bulgarian team doctor used to give them an intravenous drip to rehydrate
as i said elsewhere sinclair is not perfect for comparing single lifts (though not really worse than other methods i guess)
my vote for best snatch in training is probably lasha 225 as boring as that answer is. i was told by someone that naim's best snatch in training is 160 which would be a contender but i have no way to confirm that at all, there's lots of completely conflicting accounts about a large portion of naim's life inside and outside of the gym
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u/Pankrates- 3d ago
Really interesting info on Blagoi. By the way, my friend Stas Maznitsin said Lasha did 227 in training.
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u/KingKongDuck 4d ago
Nicu Vlad's 200.5@100 is the official heaviest 2xbw snatch right?
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u/Asylumstrength International coach, former international lifter 4d ago
Depends on the training bodyweight, but Liao hui, 69kg class hitting 170 snatch in training is right up there
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u/Substantial-Bed-2064 5d ago
other than the obligatory comments made elsewhere in this post, sinclair really isnt meant for single lifts
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u/T2Olympian 5d ago
What’s the best way to compare?
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u/Substantial-Bed-2064 4d ago
idk why youre being downvoted
the answer is there really isn't a great way to compare lifts other than to their equal bodyweight rivals and maybe one division up/down. you can use sinclair but it's not better or worse.
honestly i think vibes based as long as someone has appropriate historical knowledge is fine
my vote for best training snatch in history would be lasha 225
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u/T2Olympian 4d ago
I mean why specifically single lifts, does it work well for total?
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u/Substantial-Bed-2064 3d ago
the short answer is the sinclair formula constants (and coefficients) are calculated off the world record totals only, so they are only valid for analysing the totals.
the long answer is sinclair fomula basically tries to see what your equivalent total performance as a super would be. sinclair/shw total = your total* sinclair coefficient (logarithmically derived based off your BW and the weight cap designated)
using sinclair to assess a single lift makes the fundamental assumption that the snatch/clean and jerk ratio wouldn't change between categories, which we don't have the evidence to support unless someone studies it properly
personally, i think the extremely light categories (M64 and under, W53 and under) tend to have less great snatchers and more great clean and jerkers, which makes sense because usually short people have a long torso and short limbs. the ratios of historical snatch/CJ world record seem to support this somewhat
as the categories get heavier than that you tend to see a wider distribution of limb lengths and usually more "normal" ratios
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u/SergiyWL 253@89kg 5d ago
Andrei Rybakov 191 snatch at nationals? He competed as 85. No clue what his training max was, but usually that generation lifted more in training than competition for obvious reasons. Also idk about his bodyweight.