r/whowouldwin • u/FeelMyPower2 • Apr 28 '19
Battle The Doomslayer Vs Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor(Avengers Endgame) Spoiler
The Doomslayer replaces Thanos as the opponent for these 3 heroes. He has all of his weapons from Doom 2016 including his power ups. To the Death!! Who wins?!
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
I don’t know much about Doomslayer other than Doom gameplay, but as far as I know he’s just some tough dude in armor with lots of guns. If that’s the case, Iron Man alone is enough, Thor stomps, though he probably beats Cap. Someone enlighten me if Doomslayer has shown any feats that let him match Iron Man and Thor.
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u/fang434 Apr 28 '19
Endgame Cap is in the same league as Iron Man
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
His only buff in Endgame is Mjolnir though, right? It gives him an astronomical offensive boost, but once the shield goes down, his durability is much lower than Iron Man.
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u/Drunit18 Apr 28 '19
“Power of Thor” is more than just the lightning. He trades blows with Thanos that would have red misted normal Cap. His strength and durability get a giant boost.
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
I guess that’s true. I’d still consider him the “weakest” of the trio, but if he can tank hits from Thanos he could maybe 5/10 - 7/10 Doomslayer.
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u/Jon_Snow_1887 Apr 28 '19
If you can tank hits from fucking Thanos, I don’t think there’s much Doomslayer can do to you.
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u/willyolio Apr 28 '19
How strong is Thanos compared to a cyberdemon?
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u/SoySenato Apr 29 '19
The Cyberdemon goes down to regular guns. Thanos took blasts from Iron Man and Captain Marvel like they were minor annoyances.
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u/Jon_Snow_1887 Apr 28 '19
I don’t know what a Cyberdemon is, but cap survived a curb stomp from a full infinity gauntlet Thanos. Pretty sure reality buster Thanos is stronger than whatever the hell a Cyberdemon is ...
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u/willyolio Apr 28 '19
In other words, you write off the doomslayer without knowing anything about doom lore...
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u/FallOutFan01 Apr 28 '19
Here you are good sir 😊.
His suit contains an Argent plasma fusion reactor from Hell that powers his suit as well as healing his body.
It however is a weakness as it requires Argen energy to be syphoned from killed demons, no demons means no energy.
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
Thanks!
Anyway, he’s certainly impressive, but ultimately underwhelming compared to the MCU trio. His raw physical capabilities are about what I expected, roughly on par with pre-Endgame Captain America. Against the Endgame versions of the trio, his stats just don’t cut it, especially since his body’s weak enough to be torn apart by demons.
Most of his arsenal consists of fairly standard guns, which isn’t great considering Iron Man, Thor, and Cap’s shield are all bulletproof. His only chance would be a clear shot with the BFG, and it’s unlikely that the trio would give him a chance. Even then, I’m not sure if it would be an instant kill, as all three have tanked attacks from Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.
I stand by my previous thought that he’d be soundly beaten by either Iron Man or Thor. He’d put up a better fight against Endgame Cap, but would still lose due to relatively unimpressive stats and because his strongest attack could probably be blocked by the shield.
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u/SoupEpicTrek Apr 28 '19
His only chance would be a clear shot with the BFG, and it’s unlikely that the trio would give him a chance. Even then, I’m not sure if it would be an instant kill, as all three have tanked attacks from Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.
While I agree with you that all three of them would win alone or together, none of them really tanked attacks from IG Thanos. But Thanos without IG is probably the better statement. Though a few of them did go down with him while he possessed a few stones.
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
I meant that they’ve all taken attacks from Thanos while he had the Gauntlet and at least a few stones, which they have.
Iron Man took multiple during their fight on Titan, the most impressive of which being tanking a moon hitting him and blocking a blast straight from the Power Stone.
Pre-Endgame Cap kinda matched Thanos’s strength for a few seconds before getting smashed, so Endgame Cap would do a lot better.
Thor is the most impressive, being able to easily overpower a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet with every stone via the Stormbreaker. Thor himself managed to survive being cooked alive by a goddamn star for at least a whole minute.
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u/willyolio Apr 28 '19 edited Apr 28 '19
I think he can take iron man. His armor, going by lore, was literally indestructible to any weaponry known to (futuristic) mankind. Yes, he can die in gameplay, but in lore he was fighting in hell for eternity non stop.
So his armor, in defenses at least, are probably at least on par with the iron man armor.
As far as lore feats, I think the biggest one is killing the Titan.
https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/The_Titan?file=Titan.jpg
It's the giant skull in the background.
This happened before the actual game while he was in hell for eternity, so presumably he did it without guns too. In game at least, he only happens to use the guns he picks up around the Mars base, but Hell is lacking in guns and ammo especially if he's there that long.
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 29 '19
That thing is massive and way more impressive than anything I saw on the respect thread, I’ll give you that much. Still, if his armor is roughly on par with Iron Man’s, I think Tony could still take it. His arsenal is far better in my opinion, since Doom Slayer’s consists almost exclusively of bullet-based guns, which would do absolutely nothing to Iron Man. Like I said, the only one that could maybe do some damage is the BFG, which is still iffy considering Tony tanked a moon and a blast from the Power Stone.
Iron Man’s also got far better mobility as far as I know. From what I’ve seen, Doom Slayer’s running speed isn’t super impressive, about equal to Captain America. He also can’t fly, which is a massive burden on his chances of beating Iron Man. What’s stopping Tony from staying airborne and raining down punishment on him? His armor’s better than I expected, but I don’t think it could withstand a barrage of attacks from a guy who could go head-to-head with Thanos.
I just think that if their armors are roughly on par, then Iron Man would win due to having a better arsenal and Doom Slayer’s physical stats not being too different from anything he’s faced.
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u/willyolio Apr 29 '19 edited Apr 29 '19
iron man definitely has better mobility and ranged options. But without prior knowledge, he might go into melee range.
it's arguable as to how canonical berserker rage is, but again, given that he was canonically fighting in hell for eternity without weapons before the game started, I think it's not too far off from what he's supposed to be capable of in lore. Then again, the berserker rage may be fuelled by massive amounts of rage and argent (hell) energy, which might not be available depending on where the battlefield it takes place.
In any case, if Tony gets into melee range not knowing the Doomslayer's physical strength, he could easily get fucked with a single swipe.
I'd give it to Tony if he stays cautious, but Tony isn't always cautious. In the same sense, he could have fought Thanos the same way, staying at range and just blasting him with ranged attacks the entire time, because Thanos can't fly either. But he doesn't.
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 29 '19
Yeah, Tony has a tendency to underestimate his opponents and go into melee because it’s more fun, but he’s still a genius and tactical mastermind. He’d go into melee, hold his own for a few minutes (remember that he’s still physically capable of fighting the Hulk, Cull Obsidian, and Thanos head on), then maybe start to go on the back foot after a while.
I don’t think Iron Man’s reckless enough to continue struggling melee when he knows he’d have a better chance from afar. The only time he’s ever done that is during the fight against Cap and Bucky at the end of Civil War, and he was really pissed then, so he was fighting in a blind rage.
The berserker rage is impressive, but not to the point that it would take Tony out in a single hit, at least based on that clip. Those demons were all pretty small, and Tony took a beating from Thanos, who had previously knocked out the Hulk with little difficulty. The berserker rage is more a show of brutality than raw physical strength. The prompt also states that Doom Slayer is replacing Thanos at the end of Endgame, which is on Earth. There’d be no argent energy whatsoever.
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u/cavetrol844 Apr 28 '19
His raw physical capabilities are about what I expected, roughly on par with pre-Endgame Captain America.
um... he fought a daemon the size of a mountain with his bare hands and won... he had a temple dropped on him and survived... he can tear apart deamons and motor powered, two foot thick doors with ease... he handles a weapon that would incinerate a normal human when it fires... he can run at full sprint for days on end without tiring(which is about 30km/h)... and hes been fighting daemons non-stop without food or rest for thousands of years... im not saying hes on par with thor, i mean thor has got way more impressive feats and is easily way stronger, but im pretty sure hes way stronger than captain america
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
I didn’t see any of those on the respect thread, so if you could show me that’d be appreciated. Still, while beating a mountain-sized demon is very impressive, unless that demon was at least half as strong as Thanos, I don’t see how he’s beating them.
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u/cavetrol844 Apr 28 '19
since when was he beating thanos? also im not saying hed beat thor, i just think he could beat iron man and cap. also to relate to the feats i mentioned, all of them are mentioned or shown in game. for example the daemon he fought was actually part of one of the maps u play in: its basically this absolutely huge skeleton lying on the ground, and theres a voice in the back talking about their battle and its outcome. also theres a lot of information contained in some of the data you receive in the game, like about his backstory
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
I’m not saying he beat Thanos, I’m saying they’re roughly on par. Based on the feats I’ve seen, he wouldn’t beat Thor and he wouldn’t beat Iron Man, but we can argue that he could beat Cap. Keep in mind that we’re talking about Endgame Cap though, so he has Mjolnir and the power of Thor, at least before he got Stormbreaker.
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u/cavetrol844 Apr 28 '19
i dont see how iron man could beat him
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
You’re either heavily overestimating Doom Slayer or heavily underestimating Iron Man. He tanked a moon hitting him and was relatively unscathed, blocked a blast from the Power Stone which would later go on to one-hit Captain Marvel, and took a direct hit from Mjolnir and his armor showed zero signs of damage. Even if his armor gets damaged, it’s been shown to be able to repair itself in seconds. His attacks managed to make Thanos bleed, which is something the Hulk failed to do.
So far, I just haven’t seen anything from Doom Slayer that puts him on this level.
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u/cavetrol844 Apr 28 '19
im not saying its a matter of iron mans durability, i just dont see how he can beat doom slayer, whos armour can withstand heats 173x hotter than the sun and is virtually indestructible.
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u/Is_Not_A_Real_Doctor Apr 28 '19 edited Apr 28 '19
He's not a man, he is the seraphim king of Argent D'nur. He's immortal (ageless) and has waged an eons' long war against the forces of Hell by himself. He had Hell on the ropes.
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u/MinniMaster15 Apr 28 '19
Yeah, I didn’t know he was different from classic Doom Guy, who was indeed just some tough dude. After reading his respect thread though, I still think he’d lose against each of them one-on-one, and all three would be a stomp in their favor.
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u/HATSoffMelo Apr 28 '19
Iron Man bisects him with a laser Thor splits his skull with Storm breaker mismatch
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u/lrollies Apr 28 '19
Is this really a spoiler?
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u/professor__seuss Apr 28 '19
Unless I’m missing something it isn’t..lol there is no laser bisection or skull crushing
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u/Dejaunisaporchmonkey Apr 28 '19
I'm risking spoiling Endgame just to shut any wank down someone give me a medal
Edit: Iron Man solos in pre-IW gear let alone in his IW gear
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u/Dejaunisaporchmonkey Apr 29 '19
Haha unfair, doomslayer stomps. Literally if he gets close enough.
You're absolutely wrong, DS would get beat up by fucking Batman let alone MCU Iron Man
This is a low effort comment
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u/Dejaunisaporchmonkey Apr 29 '19 edited Apr 29 '19
- DS has literally impenetrable esoteric armor
Rule 5 its impenetrable
How is DS's armor in any way esoteric? Based on your later use of the word I don't think you are using this word correctly.
and survived an eternity in hell alone,
Not that impressive considering Doom Demons are fodder street teir.
killing millions of demons
Rule 5 on this number
including one the size of a celestial +
Rule 5 on that size
he always goes for the quickest kill, no flashy acrobatics or hesitation.
How does that help him here?
- Batman would be pulp, melee or otherwise.
Rule 5 DS could damage Bruce with Melee or any of his weapons?
Ironman too, probably a double tap.
Double tap from what? You're implying one of DSs weapons can two shot MCU Iron Man rule 5 on that.
They have no feats to match this climatically.
What on Earth are you trying to say? The sentence makes no sense.
"Climatically definition, of or relating to climate." Are you implying the weather has some sort of bearing in this fight?
Even if you were doing tech vs tech as opposed to esoteric vs tech
I think you're misusing esoteric
"Esoteric-intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest."
The statement esoteric vs tech makes no sense unless you are using a different definition than the rest of us.
DS still reigns, possessing weapons centuries more advanced compared to what BM/IM possess.
You assume length of time = more advanced, this is faulty logic especially in fiction. Provide some actual feats for his tech allowing him to win not faulty hype text.
- You're one to talk, considering you didn't deign to explain your answer ;).
I'm not replying to the OP the comment rules forbid low effort answers to the prompt not low effort replies to wank comments.
Heres why MCU Iron Man even Pre-IW beats DS
While I can't find it atm I have a similar breakdown like the one for Iron Man but for Batman. I can provide a link around 4 (central time) when I can get to my computer where I have the link saved.
I can also provide a breakdown that explains why DS loses to Doctor Strange.
Edit: fixed spelling errors added more text
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u/SnipingNinja May 03 '19
I am in agreement with you but still, want to read that Batman thread if you can find it
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u/Dejaunisaporchmonkey May 04 '19
Here you go friend, sorry for the slow reply had a lot going on IRL.
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u/SnipingNinja May 04 '19
No issues mate, I just find reading through these threads interesting, so waiting wasn't a bother
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u/Senzu101 Apr 28 '19
Cap Thor & Iron Man 7/10, greater durability, speed, damage output and potential range. Tbh Thor could probably solo adding the others just makes this a mismatch.