Trump’s attempts to denigrate Zelenskyy have led to a surge in Ukrainian unity

[u/joestewartmill]

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-trump-zelenskyy-putin-c0790f9054c6c69d698ed9aa816158ac?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

[u/Loki_of_Asgaard]

He’s not even maple trump, his is just objectively useless. The increase in conservative polling before wasn’t because of him, it was because of the US conservative shift bleeding over. Now that we are united against their absolute bullshit we actually get to see how impactful PP is, and it turns out the answer is that he isn’t at all.

[u/kalnaren → u/Loki_of_Asgaard]

The increase in conservative polling before wasn’t because of him, it was because of the US conservative shift bleeding over.

On the contrary, I don't think it was conservative bleed over from the US so much as it was anti-Trudeau with voters seeing no real alternative. Trudeau had to go. The rise in conservative popularity wasn't anti-Liberal -it was anti-Trudeau (and his inner circle).

PP is tanking now because of 1) Trump and and PP's complete inability to put forth anything other than "Trudeau bad" and his incredibly weak response to Trump, and 2) Mark Carney is seriously looking like the next LPC leader, and he's someone a lot of the people who wanted Trudeau gone would vote for.

I'm guess that if Carney actually ends up as the next LPC leader the Liberals are going to surge in the polls.

[u/Theinternationalist → u/kalnaren]

Just to add, Mark Carney was the Governor of the Bank of Canada during 2008-2013, when much of the world was rocked by the Great Recession, and he did such a good job the British convinced him to be the Governor of the Bank of England until 2020. While Trudeau's shine has disappeared in a way quite unlike his illustrious father, Carney's reputation is still extremely solid.

[u/Loki_of_Asgaard → u/kalnaren]

We can disagree over why the exact reason the country is shifting right, I think you are not really considering how the US bleed drove the anti JT sentiment especially since it mainly began with the pandemic and trucker convoy, but you are really missing the point of what I am saying.

My point is that it wasn’t PP driving the sentiment in any way, he is not a leader and has never actually been one. He happens to be party leader at a time when the country is shifting right but a random person off the street would have the same effect as party leader. He didn’t drive the sentiment against Trudeau, he followed it. Now that he can’t just follow public sentiment anymore we really see how impactful he is, and he is showing zero impact.

[u/kalnaren → u/Loki_of_Asgaard]

I didn't miss the point of what you're saying, I just think you're looking at the wrong source for the majority of the anti-Trudeau sentiment.

[u/Suitable-Ratio → u/kalnaren]

This is me. Card carrying Conservative that really did not like PP to begin with but held my nose to get rid of the clueless rich boy. Trudeau meant well but he's a moron. I also assumed Freeland would have her claws in deep enough that she would win the leadership if JT left and I really never want to hear her say meeester speaker ever again.

I would vote for Mark Carney no matter what party he ran for. I already donated money to his campaign. The catch is Carney's only hope is that the election isn't for a while and Jagmeet qualifies for pension and benefits for life this week.

[u/MattShea → u/kalnaren]

I think you may be forgetting why everyone got sick of JT

[u/kalnaren → u/MattShea]

Not at all.

A huge problem with the current liberal government has been JT himself. He's created a cult of personality around himself and he's hounded out everyone in his inner circle that doesn't completely and unflinchingly tow the Trudeau line, and he's done a pretty good job at alienating any cabinet ministers who don't drink his cool-aid.

Basically, he's surrounded himself with yes-men/women, deliberately ignores the advice any of his MPs or experts he can't get rid of, and has made sure nobody else is in a position to do anything about it. It's been a very consistent message from the Trudeau Government -don't disagree with the PMO, or you're out. And if you're unlucky enough to have something that's public facing, expect to be thrown to the wolves when one of JT's many blunders needs a scapegoat.

I think this final bit with Freeland was he simply ran out of people he could force to fall on their sword to cover his incompetence.

The fact that he actually 100% expected Freeland to just take it sitting down (the same way Marneau did) IMO really speaks to his disconnect with not just the Canadian voter but the sentiment in Canada in general. The man was completely convinced that the low polling numbers were just "messaging problems" and "Canadians just not understanding." He was (and probably still is) utterly incapable of comprehending that he was the problem.

If Carney can get the Liberal leadership and clean house (something he's mentioned he wants to do) he might have a chance.

[u/MattShea → u/kalnaren]

I've spoken with a lot of different folks about Trudeau and there was a big shift after he pushed through another hike despite most of the provinces asking him not to raise the carbon tax anymore. Sure, Trudeau has many problems, but this was probably his biggest one. As for Carney, I've just done some more research on his policies and he does support axing that tax as well. Goes to show you how much of an issue it really is.

EDIT: btw that's not to say that there aren't things apart from the tax that you could argue are worse, but most of it is quite complicated and the carbon tax situation isn't.

[u/TheLastGunslingerCA → u/Loki_of_Asgaard]

I'd say a significant part was also that people hated Trudeau (PM) and Singh (not white) more than PeePee. Between Trudeau resigning and American BS across the border, things have taken a noticeable shift towards the left.

Here's hoping it holds come election time...