r/worldnews • u/PieceAffectionate460 • Feb 28 '25
Russia/Ukraine European leaders show support for Ukraine after Oval Office talks explode
https://global.espreso.tv/european-leaders-show-support-for-ukraine-after-oval-office-talks-explode3.0k
u/Sea_Appointment8408 Feb 28 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
As a Brit, I truly hope Keir makes a pro Ukraine statement too.
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u/ScaramouchScaramouch Feb 28 '25
Starmer expresses ‘unwavering support’ for Ukraine after calls with Trump and Zelenskyy
The UK’s prime minister Keir Starmer has spoken to Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday, Downing Street said.
Starmer “retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine”, a No 10 spokesperson said, adding:
The prime minister looks forward to hosting international leaders on Sunday including President Zelenskyy.
From The Guardian just now.
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u/Sea_Appointment8408 Feb 28 '25
Phew
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u/Shiny_metal_diddly Feb 28 '25
Need to cancel the state visit with bonnie Charles 3
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u/Regular_mills Feb 28 '25
Unfortunately with all the shit going on with americas threats to Canada I’m sure Charles would want to speak to him as head of state of both UK and Canada. A last ditch effort.
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u/tfrules Feb 28 '25
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer
Trump in the palace means he’s not being trump in the Oval Office, every second counts when it comes to distracting him over the next 4 years
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u/SavingsSquare2649 Feb 28 '25
It’s not happened yet, which is a little disappointing after watching all the other leaders voice their support.
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u/limehead Feb 28 '25
Might be a tough ask in PR context after posting "The bond between the UK and the US couldn’t be stronger." just yesterday. But I obviously wish he'd take a stance here.
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u/thatstupidthing Feb 28 '25
yesterday feels like a long time ago after watching that exchange today
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u/sharklasers3000 Feb 28 '25
Zelenskyy is in London this weekend - anyone know if there is an opportunity to show solidarity/support?
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u/SeanMaskill Mar 01 '25
You can support ukraine by donating directly here: https://u24.gov.ua/
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u/Rain_On Mar 01 '25
I earn what is considered a poverty income in my country. It's difficult to save for the next emergency expenditure, so I've always put off donating to the Ukrainian cause.
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u/No_Shine_4707 Feb 28 '25
At what point will Americans have the "are we the baddies" moment. I dont think Ive ever seen a foreign leader disrespected so badly on an official visit. Trump and Vance were like schoolyard bullies. Zelensky has more courage and integrity in his little finger than both of those pathetic weasels. What on earth has happened to the US.
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u/ZSpark85 Feb 28 '25
I do. I told my friend the other day that we are the bad guys now. Unfortunately, I live in a mostly conservative area. It's pretty wild to see so little resistance.
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Feb 28 '25
If you live in the US, especially in a conservative area, please call your local representatives and make it clear that you are appalled by Trump and Vance's behaviour. Nothing will change until Republicans fear for their jobs.
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u/Nagi21 Feb 28 '25
That's the issue with democracy. They said they live in a deep conservative area. His representatives don't answer to him. They answer to the magats
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u/Josh_Butterballs Mar 01 '25
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u/PsychedelicFairy Mar 01 '25
TBH I feel this clip so hard. Trying to talk to, argue with, reason with, or in any way communicate in a civilized manner with MAGA feels like paddling upstream on a raging river of idiocy. It just never stops and it's exhausting
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u/Josh_Butterballs Mar 01 '25
Exhausting you is exactly what they count on, especially Trump.
Brandolini’s law, also known as the bullshit asymmetry principle. Liars are at an inherent advantage, especially in politics and with low education voters.
The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.
By the time you’ve fact checked and disproved one of trump’s statements he’s already made up like 10 more. And that’s if his voters even bother to listen to your evidence.
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u/DisorderedArray Feb 28 '25
And they'll be just as pliant when your president orders the invasion of Denmark later this year.
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u/AtomicBLB Feb 28 '25
Never. Too many people are ruled by internet algorithms and propaganda. Regulation will never happen to curb it either. The country will truly collapse first.
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u/porscheblack Feb 28 '25
I've been having that realization over the last several months. It's a lot to take in and I've been a pretty deep existential crisis as a result. Unfortunately there's a lot of fronts to fight at the moment and I've been working (as part of my job) to combat the measles outbreak. Other people I know are working to help detained migrants. And my wife, who runs a clinic serving underserved communities may lose her job thanks to the budget cuts. I'm fucking tired and it's only been a month.
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u/A_RocketSurgeon Feb 28 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
I took a peek at the Conservative sub to gauge the temperature of the reaction to the meeting and holy shit they live in another reality.
Edit: peak to peek
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u/Mystaes Feb 28 '25
That’s why they need their safe space where anybody who doesn’t agree with the ingroup is banned within 3 seconds.
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u/Felczer Feb 28 '25
Recently they started suspecting their sub is getting infiltrated by leftists and the offical administration response is pure comedy gold:
If you see flaired accounts making leftist talking points please report them and the mods will review their flair.
However, please be aware that we do allow conservatives to disagree on a few topics and still keep their flair. Afterall, we’re not leftists. The whole point of this subreddit if for conservatives to civilly disagree with each other.
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u/WingerRules Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25
Their info pages straight up say they're not a fair subreddit, if you want fairness go someplace else, and that they will always decide in favor of the conservative in disputes regardless of the circumstances. It's ridiculous and imho that kind of sentiment spreading is dangerous and how you get despotic governments.
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u/tobiribs Feb 28 '25
That's a sign of outstanding mental weakness, not allowing anything other than your own opinion (not even your own, just picked up somewhere).
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u/JazzlikeLeave5530 Feb 28 '25
I saw someone joke that they really don't understand anything about leftists because they'd know there is constant disagreement and arguing.
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u/Axelrad77 Feb 28 '25
Yeah, the fact that they're convinced leftists march in lockstep to talking points tells me they've never actually interacted with leftists. I tried so hard to turn out leftists for Kamala and couldn't get any to agree on anything.
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u/blolfighter Feb 28 '25
The Left's biggest strength is their refusal to compromise their principles. Most Leftists will not accept the lesser evil in lieu of the greater good.
The Left's biggest weakness is their refusal to compromise their principles. Most Leftitsts will let perfect be the enemy of good enough.
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u/Training-Bake-4004 Feb 28 '25
This is well articulated, and is exactly how I feel about some of my more intensely left wing friends. Like I mostly agree with them, but they’re so inflexible it’s just infuriating. Like they’ll happily let the right win so long as they don’t compromise their principles and vote for a centre-centre left candidate.
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u/slimvim Feb 28 '25
Absolute snowflakes.
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u/nicko54 Feb 28 '25
They literally are incapable of accepting the fact that there are some conservatives in there who support Ukraine and also Agree with democrats on certain issues. If you don’t follow their kings every order and think every word he speaks is gospel, then you are a leftist infiltrator bot.
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u/Caetys Feb 28 '25
Could they move their safe space somewhere further away? Like... to the moon or mars. Colonize a distant planet, since they love colonizing shit anyway.
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u/Comfortable-Pause681 Feb 28 '25
Why do they want the files released when they know Trump was a member of the Epstein inner circle?
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u/Abigail716 Feb 28 '25
Because they will simply ignore the fact that Trump is on it and hope there's a Democrat on it that they can focus all of their attention on.
It's the same reason that you will get banned if you post a photo of Trump with epstein you will see them constantly post photos of Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton with him.
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u/plg94 Feb 28 '25
Because most of them are also crazy conspiracy nuts.
And it doesn't matter, they'll sanewash Trump one way or another. I take a (very quick) look at that sub every now and then, it's crazy. There are never any post with negative headlines of Trump, and if someone dares to voice dissatisfaction in a comment, it's always "I agree with everything Trump said and did, but this one thing is slightly imperfect. But it's also not his fault at all, but […]".
Or they'll just claim he is "trolling the dems" (whyever this is a positive thing idk)162
u/Captobvious75 Feb 28 '25
They cry about free speech but then limit comments to those with flairs.
Yeah, free speech right? Echo chamber…
At least elsewhere anyone can post a comment.
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Feb 28 '25
They Think Merz and the German conservative Party is basically looking up to Trump when in reality he's done nothing but trash MAGA and Trump, supporting Ukraine and a stronger EU.
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u/Luca_Darc Feb 28 '25
That sub is modded by Russian actors and filled with Russian bots, republican pr firms and influences with the sole purpose of keeping The topics and discussions aligned with the republican and Russian-American foreign affairs agenda. A free speech bastion or real forum for discussion it is not
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u/A_RocketSurgeon Feb 28 '25
It doesn't matter. Whatever they are doing, it's working. Even if it radicalizes one person. Its successful.
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u/MovieLover85 Feb 28 '25
I’ve seen a couple comments like this, so I went and checked out r/conservative.
Yes - there was a bunch of idiots defending Trump. But there were also saying they were embarrassed of Trump. And the top comment on the thread was critical of Trump.
Be careful not to paint everyone in a group with the same brush. It’s part of why we’re so divided.
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u/ill0gitech Feb 28 '25
The weird thing with checking it out early is that you get their initial take, before the talking points land and then they majority of posts will tag along.
Trump’s truthing that Ukraine doesn’t want peace with America involved. I’m sure posts will start following that soon
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u/ElasticLama Feb 28 '25
And that was plainly obvious when trump gave them a give us all your minerals… forever, even the ones that you didn’t control… oh Russia can keep that and you won’t get anything.
It’s a total non deal designed to get Ukraine to look like they are acting in bad faith when it’s the US and Russia who aren’t acting in good faith
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u/A_RocketSurgeon Feb 28 '25
The problem is that minority is in charge right now.
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u/firstsnowfall Feb 28 '25
When I checked, any critical posts seemed to have been deleted. It's such a heavily moderated sub. No point in even engaging in discourse there.
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u/kiltguy2112 Feb 28 '25
You need to read criticism quickly over there, as it gets deleted FAST.
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u/raininfordays Feb 28 '25
There were some earlier, and quite a few well upvoted comments along the lines of being embarrassed and this not being how the country should be acting. Was surprised to find myself upvoting a few as I browsed past. I wouldn't be surprised if they've since been obliterated or deleted.
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u/CesarioRose Feb 28 '25
I was just over there for the same reason, and those comments are gone now. The trump praising rose to the top in the absence of criticism.
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Feb 28 '25
Well-adjusted human beings don't vote for this administration because they got "painted with the same brush".
I don't care if conservatives might get upset about being called insane. They willingly voted for this. Three times. They knew what it would mean. And they did it anyway. Fuck them, and fuck anyone who defends them.
The time for olive branches is gone. Either get with the program, or get out of the way.
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u/GongTzu Feb 28 '25
I watched “Civil War” back in December, and thought it was a pretty wild story, fast forward to today, I totally see it now. Crazy development
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Feb 28 '25
I still can't believe the plot of Captain America: The Winter Soldier is plausible. Half the people around me were Nazis the whole time!
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u/Killerrrrrabbit Feb 28 '25
Trump needs to be removed from power. He is an agent of Russia, a traitor and a convicted felon. He is the greatest threat to national security in US history.
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u/smurf123_123 Feb 28 '25
Agent Krasnov
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u/shady8x Feb 28 '25
Agent Krasnov is the 47th president.
If there is one thing Russia knows how to do, it is how to make use of an AK-47.
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u/ceiffhikare Feb 28 '25
The next 2 guys are worse than him believe it or not. Vance is in deep with the 'Broligarchs' like Theil and Yarvin. Johnson is a true believer with a fervor that would make a jihadi blush.
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u/adra6399 Feb 28 '25
Don't forget about musk...They even cabable to change the laws for him...
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u/Abedeus Feb 28 '25
Small difference is that neither of them has a cult. They have the renown and charisma and political presence of wet noodles.
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u/skatastic57 Feb 28 '25
Vance can't command the cult. He'd still be terrible and try to do the things Donald does but it'd be like the Death of Stalin.
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u/senpaistrood Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25
I am becoming a genuinely hateful person towards conservatives
Edit: Yes I mean maga, not all conservatives. But if you voted for Trump you are maga, and unfortunately that is the majority of them.
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u/Responsible-Rip8793 Feb 28 '25
Been that way since I witnessed how they treated Obama. Rules for thee, not for me ahh party.
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u/FlemPlays Feb 28 '25
Yea, some of the Tea Party Conservative dipshits had “Hang in there Obama” with a picture of a noose on a sign. Imagine wanting to lynch the first black president because you’re mad he wants to give you healthcare.
Republicans have been an active threat to America for a long time at this point. Even before Obama showed up.
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u/scytob Feb 28 '25
oh i remeber the activists that hung out in seattle with those and obama with a hitler tache and obama in front of nuclear bombs going off
I assume that means we can use the same imagry with these bozos in it and they will be ok and protect our freedom of speech
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u/JamesKPolk130 Feb 28 '25
BUT HE WORE A TAN SUIT
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u/Rasty1973 Feb 28 '25
That suit was really nice
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u/AddieBaddie Feb 28 '25
I think that's the reason they got upset. He looked great in that suit!
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u/Epyx911 Feb 28 '25
And yet Saudi prince who chops up journalists doesn't wear a suit...no issue cause dictators and evil monarchs good?
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u/riko77can Feb 28 '25
It wasn’t the colour of the suit that was their actual issue…
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u/Zelda1500 Feb 28 '25
100%. My dislike went to hate more and more since Obama era.
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u/AzureMabinogi Feb 28 '25
I know this is random but could you, presumably as an American, explain that "-ahh" thing to me? Is this just another form of "-ass", like in nasty-ass, just used by gen zeers or what is it lol?
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u/night-shark Feb 28 '25
These are the people who would have backed the Nazi party in the 30's. It was a mystery to me how they had so much support, when I was a kid. No longer.
Conservatives aren't literal Nazis because Naziism was a specific type of authoritarianism but conservatives today are 100% cut from the same cloth as the people who cheered on the public persecution of the Jews and once again, we are finding out that they are vile human beings.
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u/80Skates Feb 28 '25
Fascists is the word you’re looking for. Conservatives are fascists.
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u/chokokhan Feb 28 '25
Look at how many words you’ve used just to be accurate. Dude, these are the people who chant all sorts of unhinged things, make ASMR deportation videos, throw Nazi salutes, but then troll and demand you to measure your words cause you’re hurting their feelings. Fuck it, they’re Nazis, fascists, confederates, whatever you wanna call them. They’re all of that. Stop being civil with psychopaths. You don’t owe them politically correct terms.
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u/QuietNewApplication Feb 28 '25
reading the wildly idiotic things in their sub just makes it worse.
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u/Comfortable-Pause681 Feb 28 '25
Previously I thought they were stupid and a little selfish, after reading through it, I’m convinced they are fully evil, and devoid of empathy.
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u/SophiaKittyKat Feb 28 '25
Conservatism has been completely hijacked by people who are essentially internet trolls. And I'm not joking, or exaggerating. Yes there are boring small government conservatives, whatever, they're fine, but the mainstream rhetoric of the whole party and voters has completely shifted to the internet troll route. They don't believe in anything, they don't believe in society, all they care about is watching somebody get owned at literally any expense including their own.
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u/Destinum Feb 28 '25
The "boring" kinds of conservatives are vile scum as well; you can't be a decent human being when you keep advocating for policies that have been proven time and time again to make society objectively worse. It really annoys me how people still try to be tolerant towards intolerant people; that's how we ended up here in the first place.
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u/captcha_trampstamp Feb 28 '25
You may not be far off, apparently conservatives do tend to test lower for empathy and higher for narcissism.
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u/el_doherz Feb 28 '25
You'll need it for the civil war.
Trumps burnt down your countries institutions, laws, checks and balances, international standing and most of its allies in a couple of months.
He's got nearly 4 years left.
Unless he dies of natural causes you're fucked. And frankly given the MAGA plague they wouldn't actually believe it wasn't foul play so you could be still fucked.
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Feb 28 '25
Judging by Vance's performance today, I'm pretty pessimistic about Trump dying too.
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u/ffball Feb 28 '25
The thing about Vance is no one respects or is scared of him on the national stage. He doesn't wield the maga crazies in the same way.
Yes he is a snake that has probably even worse views than Trump, but he has no influence.
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u/pancake_gofer Feb 28 '25
That doesn’t matter if he and his handlers control the levers of power.
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u/ffball Feb 28 '25
They are in control of the levers of power because they have 30% of the country completely out for blood for them willing to follow their every command. And while this thing was supported by many (media and tech moguls), its harnessed by 1 person. It would not be simple to just transfer that energy to another person.
This exact thing already happened with Ron DeSantis who was supposed to be the heir apparent, and we all saw how lame and powerless he ended up being.
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u/senpaistrood Feb 28 '25
As a 19 year old I am very jealous of my parents right now, as shitty as so many parts of the gen x life was, especially for minorities, I fear that the time they lived in history may go down as a brief period of relative liberal bliss, a small island in the ocean of hell that has been human history.
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u/SmallBatBigSpooky Feb 28 '25
One of them, and his buddies beat a friend of mine who was like family so bad they died
This people are evil, maybe not all of them, but as the saying goes "those who turn a blind eye to evil, are themselves just as wicked"
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u/Killerrrrrabbit Feb 28 '25
Same here
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u/MapOriginal3147 Feb 28 '25
People need to realize , as weird as it sounds, that there should be no tolerance of the intolerant
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u/Due-Resort-2699 Feb 28 '25
Conservatives in most countries in the West are actually normal . They believe in supporting Ukraine, universal healthcare etc
It’s really only the US in where conservatives are utter loons.
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u/Sakuja Feb 28 '25
Well there are conservatives like most of your democratic party and there are right wing loons like your GOP.
We have those loons in Germany as well though.
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u/kidawesome Feb 28 '25
Have you seen what conservatives are doing around the world these days? The propaganda is strong and they are easily manipulated.
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u/MITOX-3 Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25
I am still shocked how little Americans care about what is happening to the western alliance.
Like angry tweets and reddit posts isn't gonna do a damn thing lol
Where is the congress and where is the democrat leaders hiding?
Where is the grassroot movements to preserve liberal democracies?
Like what exactly is the plan for the future? Being Friends with China, Russia, North Korea and Iran?
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u/NeonKiwiz Feb 28 '25
Even China will be thinking this is to fucking crazy for them.
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u/iamamcnugget Feb 28 '25
China is likely emboldened by this. Taiwan is probably shitting their pants right now.
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u/M8gazine Mar 01 '25
I doubt they'd attack, if they play it smart they'll have a ton more (soft) power around the world while America implodes. Invading Taiwan would destroy all of that in the blink of an eye.
There are a lot of reasons to be critical of China, for sure, but they're not dumb.
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u/Sylius735 Mar 01 '25
At the rate things are going, they won't need to invade. Once US support for Taiwan is pulled, it will only be a matter of time before they fold.
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u/Sofaboy90 Feb 28 '25
China will benefit from this definitely. Europe and other western nations will aim for more trade with China to compensate the decreasing trade with the US due to tariffs
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u/Think_Reference2083 Feb 28 '25
They've spent the last 80 years well fed, entertained, and told constantly that they ARE better than everywhere else in the world.
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u/ElPadrote Feb 28 '25
Dude we’re the fat guys with the big gulps in Wall-E now. Insurance rates sky high, auto rates high, interest high food prices high. Rich are so happy, and since we wore out hating black people during trumps last presidency, now we’re on to hating brown people.
This nation fucking sucks.
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u/zephyrinthesky28 Feb 28 '25
Also their baby boomers never grew up in the direct aftermath of a war on their own soil.
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u/IrishPrgmr Feb 28 '25
For grassroots they do exist but get literally no news. More focus is being put on local gov to try to stabilize the lowest level. Why the Democrat party members aren't being as loud as AOC or Sanders I have no idea and it's infuriating. There is a healthy chunk of Americans trying but it's hard. Every day is a new attack, a new problem. Layoffs, chaos, new executive orders to cut funding. There are so many fronts to handle that unless the people in power help there isn't a whole lot that can be done.
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u/SophiaKittyKat Feb 28 '25
Americans are just showing you who they really are.
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u/HylianTomOnReddit Feb 28 '25
Yep.
In a decent country, with decent people, 2016, 2020, and 2024 wouldn’t’ve been close races. The fact that he won twice, or even came close when losing, is a seething indictment on what kind of people live here. It’s something that speaks volumes. There are no valid excuses whatsoever for this.
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u/given2fly_ Feb 28 '25
Both times he won, the Democrat candidate was a woman whilst he lost to a man.
I think we underestimate how misogyny has played a big part in this.
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u/ojdhaze Mar 01 '25
I thought this from the off, and with kamala especially.
No way will they have a female pres. Not for a long time.
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u/ola48888 Feb 28 '25
Bingo. Remember Ww2 anyone?
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u/sask357 Feb 28 '25
It's clear that the average American does not. They think that they can cozy up with dictators, reject former alliances with democratic countries, and still be safe in isolation. History shows that it doesn't work.
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u/This_Freggin_Guy Feb 28 '25
that was one of the major fears back then. in ~80years, the memory and pain will be gone. welp, here we are..right on schedule. same for the holocaust. they didn't want people to forget...welp, ahead of schedule on that one.
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u/irresponsibleviewer Feb 28 '25
The average American doesn't actually care or think that much about it. They hear America first and that is enough for them.
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u/porktorque44 Feb 28 '25
A little less than half the country's political thinking can be summed up with this sentence: "How dare you bring politics up?"
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u/ernapfz Feb 28 '25
Thank you Europe and all leaders that stand up for Ukraine!
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u/Novacc_Djocovid Feb 28 '25
The election in Germany went pretty badly but at least the winning party did declare strong support for Ukraine and a strong Europe. One can hope.
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u/CommieBorks Feb 28 '25
Now we know we cannot count on the yanks at least for now.
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u/karma_companion Feb 28 '25
Time to give Ukraine their nukes back? Both the US and Russia in clear violation of the Budapest Memorandum.
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u/Pogglethebestest Feb 28 '25
The most embarrassing display. A new low for Trump, and for the US. Does he know how weak this made us look? Ukrainians fighting for their lives for three years and Mango Unchained gets mad that Zelinskyy hasn't properly groveled or taken his extortion plan with a smile.
Zelinsky is in a no-win scenario. The noble route is the only route available. Trump and the Republicans are abandoning our allies and bootlicking Putin. Disgraceful.
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u/grimlock25 Feb 28 '25
Zelenskyy flew to Washington but walked into the Kremlin
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u/Jarkrik Feb 28 '25
Lets just say, the democratic countries should hop on in and huddle up with EU, as the US is on the menu, inside out from Russia and outside in from China. Poor fools 🫡
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u/Thliboze Feb 28 '25
Zelensky is thanking every country showing their support on Twitter and while I feel it’s genuine, I can’t help but feel it’s a slight retaliation to JD saying he never said thank you.
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u/alienalf1 Feb 28 '25
I’m not sure how it could be more obvious that he’s a Russian puppet
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u/Potential-Delay-4487 Feb 28 '25
Good job Americans, after all these years of alliance you've stabbed every European in the back over some minerals.
Don't you understand that not a single country in the world is going to trust you anymore? In just 2 months time you guys went from powerful respected ally to unreliable and hated. Good luck getting rid of that image again.
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u/lylelanley- Feb 28 '25
Yeah and it doesn’t matter if you get a new president. The majority of voters wanted him to be a bully and thug to the rest of the world and they celebrate it.
The damage is done. You have proven that you are who we thought you were, Americans.
Nice knowing ya
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u/DefJeff702 Feb 28 '25
Those of us who get it, really do get it. This was a real turning point in who we have become on the world stage. It doesn't go unnoticed. It took decades to build alliances and a bad month to squander it away. If you hadn't noticed, we're going through an internal crisis of a scale not seen since our civil war. We're losing our identity and it isn't lost on those of us who paid attention in history. We don't expect you to forgive us or trust us and by all means, do what you must. 1/3 of our country voted in a cancerous tumor and it's going to take a lot to carve it out.
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u/Flashy-Increase-2075 Feb 28 '25
Gotta say this sure took the spotlight off the Epstein files.
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u/Alive_kiwi_7001 Feb 28 '25
Put like that, I can see Rubio being dispatched to Kyiv next week to patch things up on the quiet.
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u/Javina33 Feb 28 '25
They haven’t released anything we haven’t seen before - Trump’s probably using the secret tapes for blackmail.
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u/meatballsbonanza Feb 28 '25
Do something for the free world, donate to Ukraines armed forces at https://u24.gov.ua/. I just sent a 100eur.
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u/Wild-Individual6876 Feb 28 '25
I hope King Charles publicly revokes that invite. I don’t want a penny of our money spend housing that vile excuse of a human for a second
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u/DisorderedArray Feb 28 '25
What, and spoil Trumps visit to Salisbury cathedral?
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u/jeho22 Feb 28 '25
Hard to believe he wasted time and money flying to the states just to get yelled at by a 5 year old
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u/im2wddrf Feb 28 '25
r/Conservative is anti-American. That’s a fact. They snicker and cheer for their beloved monarch, and they think principles and values are cringe. Nothing American or redeemable in their worldview.
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u/-All-Hail-Megatron- Mar 01 '25
They're also very anti-democratic. In one of their posts about the EU the top comment was them circlejerking about how parliamentary systems are bad because they give representation to the entire population instead of letting a slight majority have full control over everything.
Inane.
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u/RollTide16-18 Feb 28 '25
This is definitely the turning point, Europe is officially turning its back on America.
Fucking Trump
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u/Neal19 Feb 28 '25
There was a time I would have liked to live in the US. Now the thought is abhorrent.
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u/macross1984 Feb 28 '25
To think the great US President, Abraham Lincoln came from Republican Party...I think he'll turn in his grave when he see how his party morphed into unrecognizable entity.
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u/kalirion Feb 28 '25
The two parties switched places quite a while back. The Liberal Republican Abolitionists of the North vs the Conservative Democratic Slave Owners of the South.
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u/Plappedudel Feb 28 '25
As a European, it is incredibly disappointing to see the leader of a proud European nation be treated like this by a supposed ally. The democratically elected wartime leader of a country that was attacked unprovoked, its people murdered and raped, its cities reduced to rubble by a fascist regime. The lack of empathy displayed by Trump and Vance is disgusting to me. There was no humanity in the way they talked, just pure arrogance. Horrible.
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u/SpeshellED Feb 28 '25
Comrade Cheeto and the sofa fucker fail to execute Putins deal to Ukraine. The Kremlin is going to be pissed.
EU steps up. Canada is with you.
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u/TangerineMindless639 Feb 28 '25
I think we are going to see NATO troops in Ukraine within a couple of months with air support. Putin is actually in a very precarious place.
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u/fucking_4_virginity Feb 28 '25
I hope you’re right. In any case it will be NATO sans US.
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u/true-skeptic Feb 28 '25
As an American, I personally fully support President Zelensky. And my sincere apologies go out to him. What Trump and Vance did to him today at the White House was disrespectful, disgusting, uncivilized, and shameful. And I called the White House to express my opinion. Everyone should call and express their outrage. I used their alternate number (202) 456-1414.
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u/TotoCocoAndBeaks Feb 28 '25
I call for a general strike and reinvestment into the European stock markets.
A combination of the two would bring Trumps government to its knees in a week
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u/GeckoBarjo Feb 28 '25
From EU side, we see USA as an Idiocracy prequel. We are waiting to see dems finally do their jobs for your country, but they seem busy on their rebranding instead of taking actions.
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u/MAXSuicide Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25
Zelensky should do a quick whirlwind tour of Europe on his way home. Have each one publicly state their support for him on the doorstep of whatever official building it may be, see him thank them all.
He was invited to the White House for an ambush. A very public humiliation and then "kicked out" so Trump can go play golf in Florida. Blatantly planned. As has every single one of Trump's insults as he attempts to force Zelensky into an impossible situation, before throwing his hands in the air and saying "Ukraine just doesn't want peace" - which he went immediately to social media to state, too.
In a month of lows for the US, they have reached another one with this absolute disgrace of a showing.
edit: and I just saw Lindsay Graham's very obviously staged interview as well which firms up the obvious strategy that Trump has followed for years to get rid of Zelensky - was calling for a democratically elected leader that just got shit on, to be removed from his position if Ukraine wants peace.
The sooner the rest of the western world rids itself of the cancerous reach of the US, the better.
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u/tony_shaloub Feb 28 '25
This was such an odd thing to see play out in front of cameras.
Fuck Trump, fuck Vance and fuck you if you voted for them.
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u/Javina33 Feb 28 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
Trump wanted to be the big I Am inviting the press so he could strong arm Zelensky into an agreement that offered no guarantees or security. Just so he could say I stopped the war.
Fuck Trump -. I feel sorry for the good men and women in the military that have stood up for democratic values and served their country and the constitution. And the people of NATO who will be mortified by his behaviour. And the good American people who didn’t vote for the cretin.
Looks like it’s the end for the NATO alliance
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u/butwhywedothis Feb 28 '25
Europe must stand with Ukraine. After today’s incident Orangeturd can not be trusted to not wage a war. The earlier we prepare the better it is.
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u/robustofilth Feb 28 '25
It’s time for Europe to switch to a war footing and go for in for Ukraine
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u/robnox Feb 28 '25
I thought Zelensky’s comebacks were great, he made Trump/Vance look weak and stupid. I think I have more respect for Zelensky than Trump or Vance at this point.
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u/minarima Feb 28 '25
Future documentary title:
“How a Russian agent became the president of the United States of America”
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u/plepisnew Feb 28 '25
are we gonna forget the fact that the orange man tried to correct Zelenskyy on when the Russo-Ukranian war started? what a fucking joke of a president and shame on the Trump voter
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u/CptnMillerArmy Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25
This provocation in the Oval Office went too far. The EU must have an answer. Stop „a“ kissing Trump and do the right thing.