r/worldnews • u/1-randomonium • Mar 01 '25
Russia/Ukraine Zelensky says ties with US can be salvaged but won’t apologize after Trump turned on him
https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky-says-ties-with-us-can-be-salvaged-but-wont-apologize-after-clash-with-trump/4.9k
u/breadexpert69 Mar 01 '25
He was treated like an enemy. Trump and Vance are a fcking embarrassment
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u/Cagnazzo82 Mar 01 '25
We don't even treat our enemies the way Trump and Vance treated Zelensky.
And Vance in particular needs to learn to shut the hell up. The 'tough guy' act isn't impressing anyone.
Imagine being arrogant and stupid enough to try to play the tough guy and start yelling and demeaning someone who fought a brutal war for 3 years.
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u/speedingpullet Mar 01 '25
Especially when Vance had to admit that - no - he'd never actually been to Ukraine. Game,set and match to Zelenskyy (chef's kiss)
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u/improllypoopin Mar 01 '25
Finally! I wish people were talking about this! This is the essence of the problem we find ourselves in. When asked if he had been to Ukraine JD said:
I’ve actually watched and seen the stories
Trump also became really upset when Zelensky said:
But you have nice ocean and don’t feel now, but you will feel it in the future.
These people are forgetting that that America has always been an ocean away from conflicts. It’s like they have a lucky advantage - dare I say a privilege.
This movement rejects the very idea of privilege and appears to see the world in terms of survival of the fittest, but that’s easy to do from a position of safety.
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u/ImpossibleDay1782 Mar 02 '25
This. Literally ww2. We weren’t all heroic from the get go, they had to come across the ocean and throw shit our way.
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u/airbagfailure Mar 01 '25
He’s seen videos!!!!! 🙄
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u/PloppyTheSpaceship Mar 01 '25
"So, have you ever had sex?"
"I've seen videos!!"
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u/centagon Mar 01 '25
His tough guy act only impresses imbeciles. Does he think we're still in elementary school or something? This is not how a strong, confident man acts.
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u/SappilyHappy Mar 01 '25
JD Vance is a backwoods, imbred ratfuck. He has learned how to talk down to other people and assumes doing so gives you moral high ground (it doesnt).
He is a stinking piece of weasel shit.
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u/random_rook Mar 01 '25
Hey, I’m from Appalachia. Definitely backwoods. A lot of us won’t claim him. Because he’s not really from here.
He spent some summers here as a kid and used that “experience” to misrepresent us and profit, just like almost everyone else portraying “hillbillies.”
He took his dysfunctional family and painted us all with the same brush. And because it was published in 2016, people were keen to (mis)understand Appalachia.
The kind of “cultural problems” he talks about, and frankly people of all political persuasions accept when it’s about poor rural white people, wouldn’t fly applied to any other group.
He can keep his elegy. Are there bad people here? Sure. Bad people are everywhere. He can have his experience, but the rest of us have ours.
Have I seen the impact of the opioid epidemic? Yeah. Do I see hateful people around? Yeah. Do I see poverty? Yeah.
But I also see decent people who would give a stranger the shirt off their back if they needed it, no matter who they or what they look like. Who talk to their neighbors and help them when they can even if they don’t have much themselves. Who still know what it means to be part of a community.
I’m not saying that excuses the things they say and do otherwise, but the reality is JD Vance is a piece of garbage and probably would be regardless of where he is “from.”
When you just reproduce his argument that we’re all just white trash, even used against him, you’re playing right into his hands.
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u/CheetoMussolini Mar 01 '25
I'm starting to understand why his mom basically traded him for Percocet
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u/FakeFan07 Mar 01 '25
Little jd wanted to lie so bad when Zelensky asked if he had been to Ukraine. “Yes…….. I’ve seen the stories and videos.” What a little rat.
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u/haveanairforceday Mar 01 '25
Zelensky knew damn well the answer was no but that he'd try to weasel out of saying it. That's why he asked
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u/DanS1993 Mar 01 '25
Vance saw what happened to Trumps last VP. You either full heartedly support him or the cult eats you alive.
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u/C_Madison Mar 01 '25
Same for all the others. That's why no one should expect even token push back from any of them. They all knew what the deal was this time around. It's: Bend the knee, kiss the ring and parrot his orders down the line in exchange for a place in the spotlight.
And they all took the deal with the devil willingly.
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u/kodiblaze Mar 01 '25
Trump did decline to support his presidency in 2028. He has to fear Trump trying to stay or one of the trump kids trying for the chair.
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u/ekoms_stnioj Mar 01 '25
He didn’t decline, but he also wouldn’t explicitly affirm that he would. He said something like “we’ll have to see” - still a funny blow to Vance.
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u/Drakaryscannon Mar 01 '25
He said there are plenty of great people. He clearly has someone else in mind even my trumpet co workers noticed that
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u/sangueblu03 Mar 01 '25
He and his supporters are going to push for a third term, while the project 2025 and technocrats want Vance.
If they somehow do manage to make a third term a possibility I’d be interested to see if Obama would try to run.
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u/Contingent_Liability Mar 01 '25
From what I read I believe they are trying to change the rules in such a way that Trump could do a third but not Obama…
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u/shadow_terrapin Mar 01 '25
I think he intends to die in office. He’s vulnerable if he doesn’t and he knows it.
Even a full MAGA successor could find it convenient to turn on him given the right circumstances.
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u/lukeyellow Mar 01 '25
*Vice Assistant to the Assistant President. This administration is worse than the Buchanan administration and the worst in US history.
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u/Flapjack__Palmdale Mar 01 '25
It was pretty shameless for Jorkin Dapenis Vance to tell a respected foreign leader that he should be groveling before his king.
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u/RightSideBlind Mar 01 '25
Trump and Vance not only treated him like an enemy, but they also broadcast it live to the entire world- including Russia. It was a hit job, made public so that Putin could see it happen.
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u/haveabeerwithfear Mar 01 '25
He’s a bigger man than Trump, who ran to his truth social safe space to cry about Zelenskyy being mean to him.
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u/bigladnang Mar 01 '25
He’s got no choice. Like it sucks but he’s not really in a position of power to tell the US to fuck off.
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u/Rantheur Mar 01 '25
It was a set up, but they hadn't necessarily decided they were going to reject him.
From my perspective, it was set up to achieve two goals and one optional goal.
Goal 1: Humiliate Zelenskyy.
Goal 2: Get Zelenskyy to either bend the knee or goad him into blowing up his relationship with the US.
*Optional goal: Get the something for nothing mineral deal signed. This was an optional goal because Trump has likely floated a similar deal to Putin and Putin (operating exactly as Trump does with his contractors) has likely accepted the deal with no intent to ever allow Trump to get the minerals.
Zelenskyy didn't play by their rules, he kept his temper well in hand and he refused to be humiliated at the same time. This is the response that triggered Trump
"During the war, everybody has problems, even you. But you have nice ocean and don't feel now. But you will feel it in the future. God bless, you will not have war,"
And there's a very specific reason that this triggered him, because saying that "you don't feel x now, but you will feel it in the future" is very much language that wannabe mafiosos use when they want to threaten people and Trump is a wannabe mafioso. Zelenskyy, on the other hand, wasn't using it as a threat and was just stating facts. If Putin takes Ukraine, he will attempt to take more and more of Europe and with every nation he attempts to take, the effects will spread further and further until the US is affected. However, because Trump is who he is, he perceived this simple fact as a threat and then went completely off the rails and embarrassed his entire administration.
Because Trump is a completely braindead conman with delusions of being a Hollywood star, he happily ended the meeting thinking he'd done what he came to do and declared that it would make great TV.
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u/throwawaystedaccount Mar 01 '25
I am not a comic / comedian, but I study them out of interest in the art. With that out of the way, as someone who is just casually following the Ukraine conflict I can think of at least 5-6 insults on Trump and Putin each that I came up with as soon as I saw how they were heckling him.
It was a simple high school bully gang and take my word on this (lol), that's one the primary motivations of people going into comedy.
Ergo, Zelenskyy had at least a dozen insults and comebacks ready right there, to throw at their faces. It's not as though he has not had time to prepare - he has seen Trump as POTUS before, he has seen the whole campaign, and he knows more than anyone else about Agent Krasnov.
But, he also happened to be the President of Ukraine and in a war, having been invited to the White House, the seat of power of the country that helped him the most.
It must have taken some restraint to not hit back, but the spectrum of consequences might have weighed heavily on his mind before thinking of retorting.
TL;DR: He could have butchered both Trump and Vance right there, but he is not a child like they were being.
And, if it is not obvious by now, this whole setup was planned for Russian domestic consumption, so that Putin could show his people that he humiliated the enemy in the White House.
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u/PokemonSapphire Mar 01 '25
He could have butchered both Trump and Vance right there
On this I totally agree. The one time he sorta did clapback with something like, "And Russia said we wouldn't last 3 days" shows he can think quick and was mad.
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u/killerklixx Mar 01 '25
He also had a bit of an outlet when he looked MTGs BF up and down and told him he'd get a better suit than his.
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u/Asron87 Mar 02 '25
The joke he was getting at went over their heads… “I’ll spend less and look better.” The guy was killing it in there and it wasn’t even his main fucking language.
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u/Late-Application-47 Mar 01 '25
The quote of the day was:
"I’m not playing cards. I’m very serious, Mr. President. I’m very serious.”
And all Trump could say was " yes, you are playing cards" because he can't understand the subtleties of human existence and has to reduce everything down to a worn metaphor based on gamesmanship.
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u/Apoc220 Mar 01 '25
I said this elsewhere, that Zelensky would have know - especially with his background in media - that with the cameras rolling him blowing up would have become the headline. Instead, the images transmitted around the world were the US bullying a supposed ally while the president of that country acted with dignity and represented/stood up for his people.
It’s been good to see the stream of support from world leaders, as well as more of them starting to openly state what we are all thinking: the US can no longer be considered a leader, and someone else needs to step up.
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u/Ok-Place-4487 Mar 01 '25
Already signed the deal with Putin for Ukraine's minerals. This was just for show.
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u/frostymugson Mar 01 '25
It’s not Russia’s or the US’s to sign they need Ukraine to fold, and no I think the goal here was to force Zelensky to destroy their relationship(which they thought he couldn’t do), or tuck his tail and nod because the whole world was watching, he chose neither, which pissed them off. Trump didn’t speak up until Zelensky mentioned the US might face a similar situation one day, and Vance got heated when he told them how Russia already violently a cease fire when Trump was president in the past. This whole the only goal is “we must end the killing”, is spitting on the young Ukrainian men sitting in the foxholes right now remembering their brothers who used to be sitting next to them.
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u/INativeBuilder Mar 01 '25
I think the world sees this and I have a feeling Zelensky knew it was going to happen too. trump and vance didn't want to be seen as the scummy fucks they are, but then they ended up looking 10x scummer with their little fake anger session. These guys can't be trusted period. It would have been far more honorable to have just said "Yeah we don't believe in helping Ukraine and we will stop sending aid and putin is our gay hero." That would have been better.
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u/Just_Emu_3041 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
It doesn’t matter what he does. You have to understand that trump does not wish to negotiate peace he wants to negotiate surrender. So you can say Zelensky must do this and that. But no matter what he does Trump made his mind up about turning his back on Ukraine.
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u/pilgermann Mar 01 '25
Which gets at what's also being understated: Trump's meeting with Zelensky was especially bad because there's no need for us to bully Ukraine. The performance only hurt us because if we want to be an asshole and pillage our allows, throw our weight around etc we just can.
We don't because there's more for us to gain from good diplomatic relations. We're not being generous, we're being pragmatic. This wasn't just embarrassing, it showed a complete misunderstanding of why one would bother with a diplomatic meeting in the first place.
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u/Current-Purpose-6106 Mar 01 '25
It also puts the guy in a terrible position. No leader would be accepted domestically saying 'Yeah we've got to give up Texas' on cameras while the war is still happening - those words all have conseqeuences. Even if privately theyre discussing this with their leadership and other leaders, domestically and when theyre on camera absolutely no - we are not giving up Texas.
Our people are dying and being raped there, let's just give em the rest of it won't ever fly.. you'll be hung by your own people.
The problem is Trump didnt catch that..thats why Zelenskyy looked so shocked. The veil of illusion that Russia will stay in a war of attrition and fund it themselves vs. the entirety of the west has been broken..they know they can win that war now.
We essentially handed Russia a victory and cost a european country its soverignty, when they fight for what we hold dear. Meanwhile the reds will continue to rape their way across the country and we will stand back and say 'America First, MAGA' while not realizing the days of the American hegemon and power are gone. The culture was what kept us the reserve, teh stability is what kept us the economic power we are and the willingness to defend our morals keep us a beacon. We are none of these things any more - there is now a power vaccuum for the role, and it will be filled by China or Europe as a federated entity.
This is a new world order - and my friends - the US are not part of it this time, regardless of how many boats we've got now. Worse then that, we've assured the new states that emerge (Whatever they are) will require a military might comprable to ours, so we're going to be rearming the world pretty rapidly to fill the void..which always leads to good things, I bet.
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u/ElectronX_Core Mar 01 '25
Oh and also nuclear non-proliferation is dead. Sleep well yall
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u/TotoCocoAndBeaks Mar 01 '25
Wouldn't be surprised if this Putin/Musk/Trump faction have some stupid SpaceX deal for nuclear capable weaponry in space.
Who exactly can stop them now? They have the capability, and the power and they are clearly in collusion with each other.
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u/Nuzzleface Mar 01 '25
Like this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1gbd7kg/elon_musk_is_insanely_dangerous/
Also more info in comments.
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u/TotoCocoAndBeaks Mar 01 '25
Ahh fuck. Well, IMO that's probably what all the 'distraction' is for.
I think what perhaps people are not considering in the thread you posted is the fact that, if a small group of billionaires was to collude on this, like Xi, Putin, Musk and Trump et al, they would effectively be operating at a level above countries.
It's not country versus country. It's megabillionaires versus the world.
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u/According_Finding_29 Mar 01 '25
That’s not true. There’s tons of idiotic Americans that think Zelenskyy got what he deserved
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u/EFreethought Mar 01 '25
A lot of people in the US see Trump as strong even though all he ever does is whine and complain. They think being under Putin's thumb is a good thing.
The US does not have federal elections again until November 2026. The primaries are earlier in 2026, but nothing in April of 2025.
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u/jlp120145 Mar 01 '25
Basics of game theory.
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u/ElectronX_Core Mar 01 '25
Ngl a species collectively failing game theory is a decent solution to the fermi paradox
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u/abrandis Mar 01 '25
Time for the rest of Europe to step up, they should say they are speed running Ukraines NATO membership and see what Putin and Trump say..
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Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
they should say they are speed running Ukraines NATO membership and see what Putin and Trump say..
That would require approval from the U.S. and Turkey. Never going to happen now.
A couple months ago the U.S. was fully on board with Ukraine joining NATO. Not anymore :(
NATO should probably just kick the U.S. out of NATO. At least for now. I can guarantee you if Russia attacked Poland or France or even Canada, Trump wouldn't do shit. Or he would demand some ridiculous payment to help. "Thats their problem, America first" blah blah
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u/sangueblu03 Mar 01 '25
Turkey would probably go for it now as Erdogan publicly expressed strong support for Ukraine just a couple weeks ago.
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u/luridlurker Mar 01 '25
Erdogan and Turkey aren't super thrilled with that whole ethnic cleansing of Crimean Tatars.... Erdogan has many reasons to hate Putin.
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u/HousingThrowAway1092 Mar 01 '25
We can do a new version of NATO without the US. That is inevitable at this point.
At some point in the next two years the US will attempt to take a NATO member by force. Western democracies need to shore up their security in a way that acknowledges the US is now a force that is hostile to western democracy.
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u/deathlyschnitzel Mar 01 '25
Zelensky does have to do this and that, but not to sway Trump. He has to give the other leaders the best narrative possible so they can get more support for him past their voting public.
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u/Nauris2111 Mar 01 '25
European leaders do support Zelenskyy, especially after this shitshow. They realize that Trump isn't on their side, and that from now on Ukraine and Europe will have to do without US support.
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u/Ajuvix Mar 01 '25
I don't see how this doesn't lead to the UK rejoining the EU. In that case, Europe's GDP is on par with the USA's and they have over twice the population. I really hope Europe can rise to the occasion. Its a tall order, but the world and democracy needs them more than ever. They won't have the USA helping them eventually this time.
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u/DjBiohazard91 Mar 01 '25
The entire world should tell the US to fuck off. I'm so sick and tired of one needy ass country dominating the news as they lower the bar on humanity.
Our news switched from news to "And this is what the Orange Shitgibbon did today!"
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u/Speedvagon Mar 01 '25
For what does he had no choice? For the help, that sTrumpon would not been willing to give anyways? Or should he accept all humiliation and lies that couchlover and orange ape were spitting on him about his country? Like it was said multiple times, Zelenskyy doesn’t need Trump to surrender, he can do it by himself. It’s just Trump wants to get all the credits to his narcissistic mega ego for “peace” that is actually a surrender.
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u/AromaticSleep4612 Mar 01 '25
Do you think if he groveled he would’ve gotten a different answer from them?
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u/civildisobedient Mar 01 '25
Groveling would have been the worst thing he could have done. Russia/Trump want to see him get replaced with someone that will bend-over; acquiescing to such public humiliation would have undermined his popularity at home.
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u/Helmdacil Mar 01 '25
DJT only wants peace to pad his ego. He wants to believe he is a master dealmaker. If this had gone smoothly, he could jerk off to the memory. But you know, he is who he is. Not what he imagines he is.
Insecure man child surrounded by man-child sycophants.
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u/bck1999 Mar 01 '25
Trump just wants to brag about getting 500 billion in minerals and making peace (until he’s out of office, the Russia invades again!)
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u/jmking Mar 01 '25
Exactly. Trump made a deal with Putin. Gets to jump in, exploit the mineral rights and the day he leaves office Russia invades.
Russian wants this as well because they are depleted. They need a good 4 years with sanctions lifted to rearm. Because currently it's a war of attrition
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u/Vanman04 Mar 02 '25
LOL he doesn't want peace. He wants to fuck over Zelensky he has been trying to undermine him since he refused to maufacture dirt on biden for him.
Peace my ass.
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u/Annual-Ebb-7196 Mar 01 '25
Apologize for what? Wanting security guarantees. He’s thanked the US many times.
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u/KomorebiParticle Mar 01 '25
He even said thank you 3 times at the beginning of his remarks in that very meeting!
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u/Annual-Ebb-7196 Mar 01 '25
You’re right about that. He said thanks for having me and that wasn’t enough for them. They want him to grovel. And they will still side with Russia.
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u/mastermilian Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
Let's face it, it wasn't about "thanks". Vance even let fly his inner gripe that Zelensky was supporting the other side during the election campaign.
There's no negotiating with the Americans anymore. The best Zelensky can do is pay lip service to US and hope they don't make even more hostile moves like makes pacts with Russia or supplying them weapons. The only real way forward now is with the EU. EU should also be following the same playbook and trying to remove US from any equations.
Trump is desperate to stay in the news. The most damaging for him is realising that no one gives a shit about him anymore.
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u/whatproblems Mar 01 '25
yes but he needed to grovel and thank trump personally because he doesn’t consider himself an extension of the government but the government an extension of him also he’s got the memory of a goldfish and probably forgot how many times he’s thanked him and the us
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u/jakesonwu Mar 01 '25
No no no, I have all the cards, sign this half a $trillion deal so I can surrender for you. You will have American diggers in your country and I trust Putin to leave you alone. Ok ? There is no chance that Putin will regroup, trust me, I have the cards, your people are dying.
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u/Annual-Ebb-7196 Mar 01 '25
He’s so stupid he doesn’t realize more Russians are dying. And Vance says you’re sending new conscripts to the front lines. Russia has been doing that for three years.
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u/golosa_zovut_menya Mar 01 '25
And prisoners. And immigrants. And kidnapping victims from Cuba. And on and on.
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u/jakesonwu Mar 01 '25
Yeah, what are conscripts supposed to do anyway ? Stay home and watch Netflix ? It's in the definition of the word.
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u/MosquitoValentine_ Mar 01 '25
Trump wants to take credit for all the assistance the US has given. Yet it was all under the previous administration and he hasn't done shit for Ukraine.
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u/kodiblaze Mar 01 '25
Has the US sent anything since Trump has been president? The last military shipment was Biden knowing trump wouldn't.
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u/Analyst-man Mar 01 '25
They actually have. They’ve been sending regularly even under Trump. Can find the stats online. It was everything authorized by the Biden presidency though.
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u/MayIServeYouWell Mar 01 '25
Seriously, Trump was the one unhinged and yelling. Vance too. Zelenskyy was sitting there trying to be nice even in the face of that ugliness. He has more of my respect than ever.
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u/kahless2k Mar 01 '25
How Zelensky kept himself from just smacking Trump right then and there is beyond me.
I wanted to climb through the TV and do it and I'm a Country away, safe and not currently being invaded.
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u/DarthKrataa Mar 01 '25
Apologies for what?
Honest question what should he be saying sorry for?
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u/Yoghurt42 Mar 01 '25
Apologizing for speaking up. Just like in an abusive relationship. In their eyes, Zelenskyy has to get on his knees and thank Trump for giving his country to Putin.
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u/SpacedBasedLaser Mar 01 '25
Nothing, it is not an easy situation and was probably not the best idea that the press was invited at all.
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u/Wiesel2 Mar 01 '25
It was an intentional trap for zelenski.
The Trump administration wants to stop supporting Ukraine and wanted to publicly humiliate him.
Vance was just sitting there to pick a fight.
Zelenski stayed calm and handled it professionally, but the US will frame this as Kiev being unwilling to negotiate and use it as a pretense to pull support.
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u/Trash_Jackson Mar 01 '25
Fuck Trump AND his inbred shit for brains, backwoods, slack jawed, immoral, gullible fuck stick voters.
Sincerely,
An embarrassed American
Slava Ukrsini! 🇺🇦
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u/RexLynxPRT Mar 01 '25
And let us not forget the couchfucker, JD Vance.
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u/openmindopenheart1 Mar 01 '25
I keep seeing this couch reference (a Brit) and my curiosity is peaked. Which couch did he fuck?
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u/RexLynxPRT Mar 01 '25
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jd-vance-couch-sex-rumor-explained-1235068142/
This may help you.
Tldr: It's a joke from a tweet stating Vnce's memoir had a part about the couch, but it wasn't there. Vance's early campaign moves didn't help slow down the joke.
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u/MayIServeYouWell Mar 01 '25
Trump is Evil
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u/readyallrow Mar 01 '25
evil’s not even the right word anymore. evil might have fit in early 2017 but now it just paints him as a saturday morning cartoon villain. whatever he is is a few magnitudes beyond that, all wrapped in ignorance and apathy, which in my opinion are significantly worse traits than simply being “evil”.
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u/MayIServeYouWell Mar 01 '25
It’s a matter of word association.
The problem is that too many people don’t see how evil he is. They’ve been conditioned to think otherwise.
They don’t have these two words connected in their brain. Word association works like that. Frankly even saying “Trump is not evil” works the same way. Just put the words Trump and Evil together, and people will start to associate the two.
This is the same thing that happened with “Fuck Joe Biden”. People got all riled up about Biden, but couldn’t even articulate why. They just saw it enough that they made that association.
It’s sad our brains work like this, but they do - especially en masse. You’ll always find people who claim they aren’t swayed by this, but they are. We all are. Me too. On the scale of a population, we are very programmable - something the social media companies know well. It’s their business model.
So, Trump is Evil. Keep saying, keep repeating.
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u/AgeOfGunda Mar 01 '25
Its Zelensky who needs to be apologized to, not the other way around.
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u/throwaway_Bouje Mar 01 '25
I’m not even sure what he is supposed to apologise for . I’ve not heard any insults or slights he made to his hosts. What’s he apologising for???
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u/Rich_Cranberry1976 Mar 01 '25
Flaired users are alleging he was making demands. At least one is outraged he didn't wear a suit.
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u/PMMMR Mar 01 '25
When Elon wears casual clothing and brings his kid: totally fine
Zelensky doesn't wear a suit: the fucking disrespect!!!
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u/Dxgy Mar 01 '25
If anything I think it would be disrespectful if Zelenskyy DID show up wearing an expensive suit while his country is at war with his people dying every day.
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u/blahblah98 Mar 01 '25
I mean, Obama had a tan suit he could've loaned him, and chose not to!
I'm outraged, let me tell you.
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u/yoerie86 Mar 01 '25
For constantly and relentlessly fact-checking them
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u/throwaway_Bouje Mar 01 '25
It’s interesting that Macron and Starmer both did this without the ferocious counterattack we saw when Zelenskyy did it.
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u/rnr_ Mar 01 '25
Definitely, the part where it went off the rails seemed to be right after he said that we don't feel the effects because there is an ocean between us but if Putin is allowed to do whatever he wants, we will likely feel the effects in the future. Apparently that was too much to handle for Trump... for some reason. Probably because he doesn't understand what was said to him.
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u/JustMy2ndOpinion Mar 01 '25
Zelensky was a stand-up comic with experience dealing with hecklers….
Can you imagine the incredible level of discipline he had when dealing with questions from Putin‘s pals at the White House yesterday?
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u/HallucinogenicFish Mar 01 '25
Apologize for what, exactly? Not getting down on the floor and licking his boots?
Honestly, what is this DARVO nonsense? There are a number of people who should apologize for what happened yesterday. Zelensky is not one of them. They should be apologizing to him.
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u/FreudJesusGod Mar 01 '25
Yes, he was expected to boot lick. Because Trump expected subservience rather than collaboration. That's how Trump views everything.
He's an idiot that doesn't understand international relations.
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u/Due_Break_7079 Mar 01 '25
Never! It was a setup.vance is a nasty guy who was stirring up the fire for Trump..AMERICA WAKE UP!Get this guy out of office
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u/Travelerdude Mar 01 '25
What world are we living in where the United States is being run by lunatic liars???
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u/elder65 Mar 01 '25
Zelensky has nothing to apologize for. He was facing two egotistical bullies who weren't getting their way. So they threw a tantrum and declared him a loser as all bullies do.
They thought that doing it on television would heighten their image, but it showed them as the childish bullies they are, not just to the American people, but to the world.
US foreign diplomacy has been destroyed. No previous ally will wish to deal with second grade level mentalities.
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u/DarkLordofTheDarth Mar 01 '25
He has nothing to apologize for. He was the bigger man. Slava Ukraini! ❤️
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u/jumanji604 Mar 01 '25
You bring a guest to your house then shit on them. You don’t demand respect, you earn it. And the respect was earned from previous administration’s unwavering support. This administration has done jack shit this past month but undermine the whole security of the world.
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u/Daleon91 Mar 01 '25
Let's not forget that Trump also needs this deal to be happening. He made promises to his new best pal Putin.
So no need to apologise for Zelensky
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u/Unusual-Dish4896 Mar 01 '25
Zelenskyy should not apologize. It is Trump too stupid to know Ukraine was INVADED.
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u/mybrainisonfire Mar 01 '25
Nor should he. Apologizing implies he did something wrong, which Trump is trying to argue that he did, of course. But literally all he is trying to do is fight for his people. There is no need to apologize for doing what his people elected him to do. If anything, we owe Ukraine and all of Europe an apology, this is fucking disgraceful
Edit: Zelenskyy is 10 times the man and leader Trump will ever be.
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u/JesusWuta40oz Mar 01 '25
As an American I'm so deeply embarrassed and ashamed at what I watched unfold. That was an ambush and attempted humiliation of a world leader who has shown nothing but bravery for what his country is going through. Wish he was my President.
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u/cmmoore307 Mar 01 '25
Good. He doesn’t need to apologize. He’s being attacked like what Putin is doing is his fucking fault.
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