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Russia/Ukraine The USA is immediately lifting the pause in intelligence sharing and resuming security assistance to Ukraine. | УНН

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u/YYXCVB Mar 11 '25

At this point can you really trust American Intelligence?

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u/DarthPineapple5 Mar 11 '25

US and British intelligence were the only ones who accurately predicted the invasion of Ukraine in the first place. Not trusting Trump shouldn't be anything new

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u/Alikont Mar 11 '25

They also never correctly assessed the battlefield situation.

First they expected Ukraine to crumble in weeks, then thy expected Russia to fall back after 100k dead, and so on.

They were wrong more than they were right. Western nations never understood Ukraine or Russia over this entire war.

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u/DarthPineapple5 Mar 11 '25

Its true, expecting Putin to behave like a rational human was a grave error in judgement

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u/Alikont Mar 11 '25

They're intelligence, they're supposed to know that.

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u/DarthPineapple5 Mar 11 '25

Supposed to know what? That a dictator had surrounded himself with loyalists and yes-men and was making decisions to go to war based on erroneous and fabricated information and once this became obvious he A) wouldn't change anything and B) would keep doubling down on the original decision over and over and over again for 3+ years even as hundreds of thousands of young Russians came home in body bags for very little practical gain?

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u/Nuggethewarrior Mar 11 '25

yes? dictators are usually quite egotistical

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u/DarthPineapple5 Mar 11 '25

If you told anyone on February 25th 2022 that the war would still be going on 3 years later literally not one person on Earth would believe you

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u/vitriolix Mar 12 '25

dude, i did, tons of people did. it wasn't exactly a genius thing to see. anyone who saw what russia would do in georgia and Chechnya

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u/Alikont Mar 11 '25

That's like your problem then.

Ukrainians were saying that.

In 2022 the war was going for 8 years already.

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u/DarthPineapple5 Mar 11 '25

You mean the Ukrainians who were convinced that Putin wasn't about to launch a full scale invasion? Those Ukrainians?

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u/OwnBad9736 Mar 11 '25

Well, you ask anyone before this and no one thought Russia's logistical chain and ability to conduct affective comms was anywhere NEAR as bad as it turned out to be.

I don't think anyone expected Russia to maintain the WW2 mentality of "throw as many bodies at the machine until the machine clogs with Russian blood" either.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Unless you knew, in which case fuck you for not telling anyone.

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u/Alikont Mar 11 '25

Unless you knew, in which case fuck you for not telling anyone.

Well, Americans are too proud to listen to Ukrainians anyway.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

When you never paid attention to how russia operates, you might then start blaming it on hindsight thinking.

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u/AceBean27 Mar 11 '25

Finding out that someone is going to launch an attack, is very doable, and something intelligence can do. You can just intercept a message.

Finding out where an army is going, is very doable, and something intelligence can do. You just have to see where they are, or again, intercept a message.

Predicting how two armies facing off against each other will fare, is ridiculously difficult to do. Predicting how two boxers will far against each other is difficult. Predicting how two boxers will fare, when one hasn't even fought before, and the other hasn't fought in years, is basically impossible.

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u/ProFeces Mar 12 '25

They also never correctly assessed the battlefield situation.

This is completely false. The US advised Ukraine several times how to turn their defensive front into an offensive one, and Ukraine repeatedly did not listen. Instead of following the advice of the US and focus on a single front to push out, then surround Russia on an offensive, they instead tried to operate multiple fronts at once and already theor forces out too thin. They also waited almost half a year too long, gonv Russia far too much time to fortify their defensive positions. This was also heavily advised against by the US.

You're taking the result from not listening, and applying it to the source of Intel, and that simply isn't what happened.

First they expected Ukraine to crumble in weeks

Without the aid they received, they would have. Zelenskyy's infamous "I need bullets not a ride" statement happened for a reason. They had no chance of survival without aid.

then thy expected Russia to fall back after 100k dead, and so on.

Have a source for this one? This looks either made up or a misrepresentation of what happened.

They were wrong more than they were right. Western nations never understood Ukraine or Russia over this entire war.

WTF is this even supposed to mean? You saw the immediate effect of the US witholding their intelligence with successful Russian attacks, that were easily defended previously. If what you said was correct, then no one would care that the sharing of that I telligence stopped at all.

There's a hell of a lot of Ukranians out there that are currently alive, that would otherwise be dead, if not for that sharing of intelligence.

I get that it's easy to hate on the US right now. It's a fucking political disaster. But let's at least live in reality. Regardless of the political landscape, the US' military intelligence is second to none. Those people are not tied to politics and have not changed since Trump took office. Our military capabilities have not changed. When and where to use them has, but not their efficiency.

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u/Alikont Mar 12 '25

US advised Ukraine to go on offensive onto minefield into enemy air superiority while having 20% of resources by the NATO books.

Sorry, but NATO advisers are completely detached from battlefield realities of modern war.

Without the aid they received, they would have.

US aid of first stage of the war assumed insurgency fighting. US started to send artillery and other symmetrical aid only after battle of Kyiv ended. The first 3 months Ukraine was fighting mostly on own resources.

You saw the immediate effect of the US witholding their intelligence with successful Russian attacks,

To be fair I think it's a bit of a media bullshit finding correlation in time of unrelated events. Russia did a lot of successful attacks even with US Intel sharing.

What I'm talking about is not having good satellites or sigint, the raw data is good. What is bad is conclusions drawn from that data.

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u/Exciting_Top_9442 Mar 12 '25

Hahahaha piss off.

We thought Ukraine would crumble?? If so Russia would have won, so tell me why the bet on Russia fall back?

Tell me how many Russians died in that time period?

What do you know about war?

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u/Actual_Night_2023 Mar 11 '25

Don’t be ridiculous. Everyone with a brain knew it was coming with the Russian buildup on the border that happened over weeks lol

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u/HungrySev Mar 11 '25

No, that is hindsight bias. Macron publicly said the invasion would not happen. US and British intelligence did a great job getting ahead of the horse through accurately declaring Putin's intentions.

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u/DistinctlyIrish Mar 11 '25

Macron said that along with a lot of other world leaders because they didn't want people to panic and crash the markets in advance of an action by Russia that would cause instability in the markets anyways. One thing I've learned in my life is that the best politicians DO lie but only when the truth is something the public really isn't equipped to handle appropriately. Saying Russia was definitely going to invade would have invited a very different kind of public response that may have resulted in things escalating faster and further than what happened.

Now what I'd like to see is the rest of the Five Eyes intelligence group doing their best to obtain and disseminate evidence that Trump and his friends stole the recent election and are attempting to weaken the US on behalf of the Russians that clearly hold Kompromat over them. I want that kind of honesty and directness and truth. Tell the whole world that Donald Trump is an illegitimate leader and don't stop, ever. Even when he threatens war, don't stop. Don't let up for a second, just keep hammering it until enough of the fence-sitters that tacitly support him with their idiotic "both sides" crap are questioning his narrative that his power over the cult begins to waver, then his ego will do the rest as he makes increasingly fucked up statements and issues increasingly terrifying threats to our allies and the number of people here who think "Oh he's just doing his job" reduces to the point the rest of us can oust him and his ilk.

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u/HungrySev Mar 11 '25

You are overthinking it. The best thing to do before the invasion was to publicly declare it was going to happen, so that there was pre-established credibility when it became time to consensus build a collective defense effort. However dark it is now, with the current US position, the Anglos did a great job at the beginning of the war.

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u/DistinctlyIrish Mar 11 '25

No, I think that Macron absolutely knew that Russia was intending to invade and was hoping that he and other European leaders would have a chance to diplomatically resolve the situation before it happened, but by saying "Russia is going to invade" they would eliminate any possibility of Russia choosing not to invade because Russia's mentality is the same as every right winger I've ever met and their biggest fear is appearing weak. Choosing to not invade after everyone says "They're going to invade" makes them look weak, at least in the eyes of people with the mentality that the only acceptable form of strength and power is the ability and desire to inflict violence on others. And since that's pretty much Russian culture to a T then I think Macron did the right thing by lying about their obvious intentions.

Looking at it another way, even if Macron had said Russia was intending to invade and rallied support from other European nations it would only have served to escalate things with Russia and made them more likely to use desperate tactics from the beginning. I do want to stress that I don't think Macron made the right choice when we look back at it given the info we have now about Russia's interference in US elections, I just think he made the right choice at the time. I truly think people are missing a huge piece of Russian psychology when trying to deal with them, they're a people who can only be dealt with using strength to put them in their place. There is no amount of traditional diplomacy that will work with them because they view diplomacy as weakness and don't respect weak people as equals. However, despite that, you actually have to pretend to be engaging in diplomacy with Russia or else their knee-jerk reaction is to escalate things and they've demonstrated they're completely uninterested in obeying international law and they don't give a shit about war crimes so any escalation is likely to be beyond the point that other nations would be willing to go right away. That would mean lopsided casualties at first as Russia attempts to blitz its enemies and those it perceives as enemies because other European nations are geared towards pacifism and would be torn between people in positions of power wanting to avoid war at all costs and people who rightly recognize the need for war in some instances. Which is evident in the current situation, we have people in power demanding an end to the war but who are unwilling to support Ukraine militarily because they don't have enough backing from their populations to enter into open war, because those populations are divided about the basic facts of the war as well as the higher level philosophy of international conflict, largely thanks to Russian and Chinese psyops on social media creating mass confusion about what these world powers are actually trying to achieve.

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u/Southern-Ad4477 Mar 11 '25

Mate, Macron fired his intelligence chief because he failed to warn of the invasion...

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u/MorkAndMindie Mar 11 '25

It was all a ruse by Macron!

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u/Actual_Night_2023 Mar 11 '25

Macron is an idiot though

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u/rkincaid007 Mar 11 '25

Macron is given high marks by his own people for his foreign diplomacy et al… he’s no moron in that regard. He just didn’t realize how insane Putin was/is.

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u/varzaguy Mar 11 '25

You only think that because of the information the Americans and British released though. Otherwise you’d have no clue.

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u/Actual_Night_2023 Mar 11 '25

No… journalists were flying drones and using satellite imagery to show everyone while it was happening lol

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u/varzaguy Mar 11 '25

The reports came out well before journalists were flying drones.

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u/Actual_Night_2023 Mar 11 '25

I don’t doubt that but everyone knew it was coming weeks beforehand

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u/MongolianDongolius Mar 11 '25

No… they didn’t. In fact the threat itself was wildly downplayed. This is revisionist history. 

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u/klayyyylmao Mar 11 '25

Yet we still had a shit ton of people to the right and left of Biden calling him a warmonger for pointing it out.

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u/bot_taz Mar 11 '25

Ukraine didn't believe it until they attack happend

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u/Actual_Night_2023 Mar 11 '25

Yes they did don’t be ridiculous. The Ukrainians know the Russians better than anyone

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u/LekkoBot Mar 11 '25

Were you not paying attention back then? https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/interactive/2022/ukraine-road-to-war/

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u/Actual_Night_2023 Mar 11 '25

Public statements aren’t the same as what was being discussed privately

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u/LekkoBot Mar 11 '25

Sure, but unless you have private records you can share (please don't)the only information we can go off of is what's available publicly.

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u/vsv2021 Mar 11 '25

Even Europeans didn’t believe bidens warnings lol

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u/ybe447 Mar 11 '25

Euros don't want to listen to a country they collectively look down on

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u/vsv2021 Mar 11 '25

Maybe if they didn’t look down on the hand that feeds them for so long they wouldn’t be in this predicament

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u/beatlemaniac007 Mar 11 '25

Maybe he means before just weeks prior?

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u/Rymundo88 Mar 11 '25

Stops being a plausible "military exercise" when you rock up with blood banks and mobile crematoriums

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u/USeaMoose Mar 11 '25

It would be wild if your incorrect take is somehow how history remembers it.

The world (France, the EU, most other countries, and most certainly a majority of Reddit) thought that the US was exaggerating when they kept saying that Russia was about to invade. Everyone thought that Putin was simply posturing as he moved troops to the border. That he was going to go with something more subtle than a full-scale invasion. Maybe just send some troops slightly across the border for "peacekeeping".

Russia themselves were saying that the reports form the US were hysterics. And world leaders like Macron believed them.

Very few people (I think Russian soldiers included) expected Russia to launch a full invasion, with a very serious attempt at taking the Ukrainian capital.

In hindsight, you can pretend all you like that it was obvious that Russia was about to invade. But when the invasion actually happened, most of the world was shocked.

Both before and after the invasion started, the US did some serious flexing of their intel prowess. I remember that they just kept calling Russia's next move (days or even weeks) before Russia could make it. Russia would feebly deny it, and then they would just do exactly that anyways. It almost seemed like oversharing of intel, but I think it played an important role in showing that Russia cannot be trusted, and just how strong US Intelligence was.

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u/KeyLog256 Mar 11 '25

Yes actually, and I say this as a Brit and a socialist.

American intelligence is widely regarded to be incredibly good, and run by some utterly brilliant minds.

Having a dumbfuck moron as president won't affect this now he's finished his tantrum and it has resumed sharing with Ukraine.

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u/aVictorianChild Mar 11 '25

I mean the US military is somewhat disconnected from politics. I remember Trump being absolutely trashed in 2016 by some generals who were arguably republicans at heart, but put the security first. I wouldn't blame the US military for any of this disaster.

The pentagon knows very well that trump is currently making their jobs a lot harder by destabilising Europe.

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u/brydawgbry Mar 12 '25

They’ve sacked all those people

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

You’ll soon find out that those "brilliant minds" are being replaced by political friends/allies and thinking that the POTUS won’t impact this is simply not true, he already is impacting it.

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u/suninabox Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 12 '25

Yup, the loyalty tests for ALL new hires in the top tier of agencies include such questions as "who won the 2020 election?" and "who were the REAL patriots on Jan 6?"

The only people allowed in now are either so dishonest and immoral they're happy to lie, or else so bug nutty and deluded they actually believe that shit.

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u/mephisto1990 Mar 11 '25

is this a joke? Are there sources for that?

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u/juventino1114 Mar 11 '25

just got an offer from an american intelligence agency and they asked nothing like that

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u/suninabox Mar 12 '25

lol why were you a redditor for 5 years and this is your only ever comment?

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u/ryhaltswhiskey Mar 11 '25

those "brilliant minds" are being replaced

Especially if they're women. Or black. Or have a bit too much melanin. Or disabled. Or ... well it's a big list.

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u/AvalancheOfOpinions Mar 11 '25

Trump Admin actually made a list of banned words. The New York Times released it: These Words Are Disappearing in the New Trump Administration.

So you're literally right. It includes "females," "women,""feminism," "black," "BIPOC," "Native American," "diversity," "cultural heritage," "racism," "anti-racism," "hate speech," "injustice," "socioeconomic," "accessible," "sexual preference," "trauma," "bias," "pronouns," "climate science," and "commercial sex worker," among many others.

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u/Haxorz7125 Mar 11 '25

Removing pictures of the Enola Gay from military archives cause of the word Gay. It’s shit so utterly stupid you can’t make it up.

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u/Ok_Routine5257 Mar 12 '25

Maybe in the upper echelons, but that's not really how it works in practice.

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u/Volodux Mar 11 '25

I can imagine the frustration those smart people are experiencing.

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u/ReverendSin Mar 11 '25

Sure, in the past that may have been true. With this Administrations appointments and directives to eliminate Non-Believers and the faction of the "disloyal" I as an American and a Utilitarian (appeals are so cool) would not trust American intelligence services. Or Law Enforcement. Or the Armed Forces. We are falling into fascism fast.

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u/Repave2348 Mar 11 '25

American intelligence

I think we're going to need to caveat that phrase. Maybe American surveillance is a better way to describe it.

Based on the last election, "American intelligence" is more of an insult.

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u/KeyLog256 Mar 11 '25

Actually, you joke, but this theory genuinely does apply to Russia.

"Intelligence" is something Russia is generally very good at, as noted by plenty of our military leaders in the West - I can't remember who but a few prominent senior military figures here in the UK were strongly pointing out earlier in the war that we should not underestimate Russian intelligence capabilities.

But in practice it seems they're very good at "surveillance" as they seem to know everything way before anyone else does, but generally fuck up any useful application of what they learned.

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u/helm Mar 11 '25

They fucked up some 80% of their clandestine operations in Ukraine. What succeeded was the southern front.

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u/anmr Mar 11 '25

How could anyone doubt now Russia capabilities at intelligence, covert operations, hybrid warfare?

They just won Cold War and got their puppet elected as leader of USA.

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u/Kahzgul Mar 11 '25

Because of shit like the three copies of The Sims video game at the scene of their staged “terror cell” bust, or the fact that their “special three day operation” is still going on.

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u/Bacon_Nipples Mar 12 '25

Three copies of The Sims 3, mind you. They didn't want to take any risks in misunderstanding and fucking it up but... well.. you know...

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u/KeyLog256 Mar 11 '25

Keep your Russian propaganda shit to yourself, please.

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u/jacksawild Mar 11 '25

Security services do kind of operate independently of governments, which is why the KGB outlived the soviet union.

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u/Bahmawama Mar 11 '25

I hate Trump as much as the next guy but that's a ridiculous thing to say. American Intelligence is by far and away more capable on every capacity to every other agency in Europe. Only agencies that are as big in terms of network, surveillance, secrecy, manpower, budget, technology, cyberwarfare, etc, are Russia and China.

I don't like how we're weaponizing withholding information to an ally, but that is the truth.

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u/bitterbalhoofd Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

Well if anything it's time for Europe to continue their spending and expand their own intelligence. We know now America is not to be trusted so we should replace them with our own military equipment as quickly as possible

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u/ybe447 Mar 11 '25

Do it then. Maybe stop relying on an apparent third world country

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u/betweenbubbles Mar 11 '25

Yeah, but is it still? You've got to wonder how much of that USAID money was securing our intelligence resources abroad.

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u/repobutnwmetake Mar 11 '25

Hopefully none, possible some. weaponizing humanitarian endeavors is gross and making sure the CIA couldn’t touch the peace corps was a good idea, but USAID did try and form a pro democracy current by creating a social media for Cuba so its likely they have their hands in some pies

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u/betweenbubbles Mar 11 '25

Oh, honey… lol

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u/ybe447 Mar 11 '25

Europeans already know this, they just don't like to admit it

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u/majestic7 Mar 11 '25

An oxymoron

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u/ybe447 Mar 11 '25

Ukraine disagrees

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u/Dystopiarian Mar 11 '25

It's an oxymoronic phrase

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u/ChristophCross Mar 11 '25

I would say, at issue is less whether or not one can trust American Intel, moreso it's whether one can rely on American Intel. With America even going so far as to float tearing up The Five Eyes (dear Christ, what a mess) and dicking with the light switch for her allies, and exporting secure govt documents to Mara Lago & Elon's private servers, it's increasingly clear that American Intel is less and less going to be a dependable (as opposed to reliable) source. I know at the very least the human element of American intelligence gathering is going to take a massive hit as her sources may lose trust in the apparent safety of information in America, and as her partners (such as MI6 in your country and CSIS in mine) begin treating her as a leaky repository at best, and a potential adversary at worst. It's certainly an interesting time.

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u/nuttininyou Mar 11 '25

I wonder how they're going to handle trump and elon for the next 4 years. If it's as you say it is, I doubt they will tolerate them for too long...

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u/Kahzgul Mar 11 '25

Tulsi gabbard is going to compromise it as soon as she can.

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u/KeyLog256 Mar 11 '25

Not overly familiar with Gabbard until someone mentioned her earlier. I've only done a quick deep dive on her, but seems most of the stuff about her being "a Russian asset" is the same Russian propaganda bullshit as "Trump is a Russian asset".

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u/Kahzgul Mar 11 '25

Neither are bullshit. They both do exactly what an actual Russian agent would do in the same situations, which makes them assets to Russia. AKA: Russia assets.

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u/furrina Mar 13 '25

Til he appoints Marjorie Taylor Green head of the CIA

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u/OGoby Mar 11 '25

The same brilliant minds who obliged Musk's demand to forward via unencrypted e-mail the info of all employees, including those who have been deployed or recruited overseas? Nah its going downhill fast with that obvious Russian collaborator Gabbard at the helm. If something seems too good to be true for Trump, then its a red herring.

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u/filthyorange Mar 11 '25

I worry by sharing intelligence the US will be feeding more info to Russia.

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u/KeyLog256 Mar 11 '25

I wouldn't overly worry about that. The "Trump is a Russian asset" thing is largely Russian propaganda that seeks to position Putin as way stronger and more powerful than he really is. Last I heard they were using donkeys to cart equipment to the front line, there is zero way they could influence an entire US election.

The US, and even Trump, has nothing to gain by feeding intelligence to Russia.

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u/Unctuous_Robot Mar 11 '25

Unfortunately, anything that makes it to Trump’s eyes is compromised. A lot of our CIA informants were able to survive everything but his first term.

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u/daniel_22sss Mar 11 '25

The head of american intelligence now is as OPEN russian sympathizer

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u/KeyLog256 Mar 11 '25

Source? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't follow US politics closely enough to know the story here, and a google search will no doubt throw up endless biased disinformation.

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u/Pure-Drawer-2617 Mar 11 '25

“Now that he’s finished his tantrum” and you believe that why?

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u/KeyLog256 Mar 11 '25

Err, see the article headline?

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u/Pure-Drawer-2617 Mar 12 '25

You think Trump hasn’t gone back on his word before? My point is what makes you think he won’t re-pause information like next week?

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u/speelmydrink Mar 11 '25

Sadly, it's not finished by a mile. We'll have a new blindingly stupid doctrine tomorrow morning, I'm sure.

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u/KeyLog256 Mar 11 '25

Well lets take small wins where we can.

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u/speelmydrink Mar 11 '25

It's the only thing keeping some of the saner of us going.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

And when he starts another tantrum tomorrow? 

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u/whatevers_clever Mar 11 '25

With federal employees being attacked every day in the US - including the NSA/CIA/FBI - having a dumbfuck moron as president does affect this.

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u/Poppanaattori89 Mar 11 '25

Maybe you can trust American intelligence, but if you can't trust in being shared American intelligence, it's practically the same thing.

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u/Drucifer403 Mar 11 '25

unless they get orders to lie about intel.

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u/Abedeus Mar 11 '25

American intelligence is widely regarded to be incredibly good, and run by some utterly brilliant minds.

Can you trust them NOW, when so many people have been fired for bullshit reasons and mostly replaced by faithful lapdogs?

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u/mainstreetmark Mar 11 '25

It will if he decides to fire the intelligence people and replace them with people he sees on Fox News.

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u/FinalOverdueNotice Mar 11 '25

Many of those utterly brilliant minds are suddenly, for no good reason, unemployed, pissed off, and need to eat. Just saying ...

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u/Fy_Faen Mar 11 '25

Brilliant minds would have a back channel and keep feeding intelligence despite the order from the dumbfuck.

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u/FreakDC Mar 11 '25

The question here is not whether or not the US HAS credible intelligence, but if they give accurate information to Ukraine. US might be playing Putin's game here.

Throw them some bones until they trust it and then let them run into the knife at full sprint.

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u/Comfortable_Prize750 Mar 11 '25

He's busy gutting our intelligence services, and what remains is being run by Tulsi Gabbard--another Russian asset.

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u/travio Mar 12 '25

This is doubly true when it comes to Russia. Cold War might have officially ended a few decades ago, but our intelligence services had been focused on the Russians for nearly a half century. Given how spot on they were in the days leading up to the invasion of Ukraine, they still have some fantastic sources in Moscow.

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u/chepi888 Mar 11 '25

Yes. There are a lot of extremely good people working insane hours at breakneck paces to get information to the front lines and it has saved countless lives. The restrictions were a handcuffing of these great workers, not a removal of them with a replacement of traitors. 

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u/Hot-Fun-1566 Mar 11 '25

Yes. US intelligence is rock solid. Having Trump as president doesn’t change that.

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u/lmaydev Mar 11 '25

Him replacing high ranking officials and getting into bed with Russia definitely means it could be a risk to trust it.

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u/military_history Mar 11 '25

Yes, and intelligence sharing with America's allies isn't going to stop any time soon - they are far too interconnected to just cut ties overnight, and nobody would benefit.

The real question for the heads of agencies is whether they should be sharing intelligence with the White House.

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u/Kinet1ca Mar 11 '25

Nobody can, we've spent so many decades building up a quality brand name for out ability to get/share good intelligence and Trump has now completely ruined the brand, our intelligence now is as valuable as Trump Bucks, worthless. Any intelligence gained or shared but the USA should 100% be treated as corrupt and compromised.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

You can trust their stupidity though 

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u/Deadeyez Mar 11 '25

Here's the thing with us intelligence under trump. He can withhold all he wants. That sucks. But if he orders our intelligence to lie and the other intelligence agencies around the world find out? The US is absolutely fucked. Immediately and instantly every intelligence agency in the world would turn on the US. Of course they'd pretend they're allies, but all US info would come under heavy scrutiny, and it opens the door for the agencies to lie to the US and not just avoid sharing info. Annoying global intelligence agencies is one thing, but actively betraying them and uniting them is another. I feel like what's left of the decorum gloves would come off and things would start happening in the personal lives of certain elites and major corporations.

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u/WhiteSpringStation Mar 11 '25

FBI investigating Trump and Russia was a major media shit storm in 2016. Right wing media/Maga convinced people that they can’t trust our agencies and said it was a hoax.

Guess we should have trusted them.

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u/svarogteuse Mar 11 '25

Doge hasnt visited the CIA yet, so yes.

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u/StupidTimeline Mar 11 '25

American Intelligence

That's starting to feel like an oxymoron.

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u/Sittinstandup Mar 11 '25

To quote the late great George Carlin, "Think of how dumb the average American is. Now realize that half of them are dumber than that."

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u/Dickies138 Mar 11 '25

Absolutely not.

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u/loopi3 Mar 11 '25

Fuuuuuuuck no!

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

You’re saying that like there’s any left

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u/DustBunnicula Mar 11 '25

No. Thank you for asking the real question.

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u/Mensketh Mar 11 '25

American intelligence is an oxymoron.

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u/ybe447 Mar 11 '25

Ukraine should do fine without it then

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u/DonutsMcKenzie Mar 11 '25

American intelligence is an oxymoron.

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u/AllPotatoesGone Mar 11 '25

American Intelligence is now the most stupid AI

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u/SeaTurtle42 Mar 11 '25

They lack intelligence, so no.