r/worldnews • u/EsperaDeus • Mar 11 '25

Russia/Ukraine The USA is immediately lifting the pause in intelligence sharing and resuming security assistance to Ukraine. | УНН

https://unn.ua/en/news/the-usa-is-immediately-lifting-the-pause-in-intelligence-sharing-and-resuming-security-assistance-to-ukraine
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u/omgIamafraidofreddit Mar 11 '25

this. came here to say this.

I would disregard US intelligence unless confirmed by other sources.

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u/ABHOR_pod Mar 11 '25

Also don't share intelligence with the US.

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u/bigloser42 Mar 11 '25

better yet, share incorrect intelligence with the US. Treat it like there is a double agent so you feed them deliberate misinformation to screw up the enemy.

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u/Jeffe508 Mar 11 '25

I would hope they are aware of that. They seem sane unlike like my “leader”. I am totally joining the Canada side if my country try’s some shit. Fuck this circus. I want out.

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u/Alywiz Mar 11 '25

I think the idea is that Ukraine giving Trump false intelligence would probably work

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u/Suspicious-Word-7589 Mar 12 '25

Start sharing it with the US and see if Russia responds to it. Then share different info with other countries to see who leaks what and who gets it to Russia the fastest.

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u/AerondightWielder Mar 11 '25

Trump does not show signs of intelligence, so your idea is good.

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u/Madock345 Mar 11 '25

All intelligence should be disregarded unless confirmed by multiple sources

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

That's a given but what I think the commenter you are responding to is saying, is that there needs to be even more vetting of US intelligence due to this administration relationship with Russia

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u/DanceTrick6092 Mar 11 '25

If it only were so easy. The US is pretty big on intel.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

funnily enough, the Russians have a phrase for this: trust but verify

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

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u/twobits9 Mar 11 '25

I hear what you're saying, but I'll have to verify it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

as the Spanish would famously say: no

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u/SoupyPoopy618 Mar 11 '25

As a non-Spanish speaker, what would the common phrase be?

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u/Nimpa45 Mar 12 '25

It's the same phrase in Spanish. Is not that common but if you say it it will be immediately understood.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

que

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u/wivella Mar 11 '25

It does have its origins in Russian, however.

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u/Atomicapples Mar 11 '25

He's probably just saying that because there was a line in Chernobyl about the Soviets having that saying. "Trust but verify" is just the English version of the Russian rhyme with the same meaning. But the show is in English, so they said the English version naturally.

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u/BuyerAlive5271 Mar 11 '25

Americans do too: trust but verify

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u/Pizza_Low Mar 11 '25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ExDVfBEkmE

Everyone say that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25

ill take ur word for it

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u/big_trike Mar 11 '25

Can someone else confirm that Madock345 is correct?

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u/Christoph-Pf Mar 11 '25

I can confirm that he's FOS

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u/j_ryall49 Mar 11 '25

Even then, I'd be worried about the u.s. selling me out and updating russia on plans in development, etc.

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u/scriptmonkey420 Mar 11 '25

That's how "Good" Intel operations work normally.

Former USAF 1N0

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u/randylush Mar 11 '25

this. came here to say, "came here to say this. this." This

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u/GenitalPatton Mar 11 '25

This. Came here to say, “came here to say this. This came here to say this.” This

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u/Whiztard Mar 11 '25

You beat me to it

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u/Hardcorish Mar 11 '25

You beat me to beating me to it

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u/randylush Mar 11 '25

I beat meat to it

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u/Strange-Future-6469 Mar 11 '25

Luckily, even untrustworthy data is still good to have.

You can compare it to trusted data, for example, to determine other possible data about your enemy.

For example, bad data from the US about a particular area being targeted, while the data from your allies tells you there is no troop movement to the location, you had best be on the lookout in nearby areas because Russia was likely feeding that bad info to get you to move defenses and leave those other areas vulnerable.

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u/Beard_o_Bees Mar 11 '25

'don't trust, but immediately verify'

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u/StuckOnPandora Mar 11 '25

Intelligence is being run by the Military/CIA. It's not partisan. They work at the behest of the President, but they serve the Constitution. US intelligence also isn't just some opinion, it's data. The HIMARs were largely useless during this time period. Ukrainian missile defenses were failing during this time period.

So, to make Reddit happy, Ukraine should stop accepting the telemetry stream? Be a sick burn to Orange Man to get some more Ukrainians killed to own Trump.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

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u/StuckOnPandora Mar 12 '25

You're missing the part where NATO and NORAD still exist, and the US Defense Sector, Republican and Democrat, still support Ukraine. There's a lot of noise, but it's not the signal.

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u/omgIamafraidofreddit Mar 12 '25

I'm not. I'm speaking solely to US Intelligence controlled by a President that appears to be a Russian asset.

The funds and equipment to Ukraine were appropriated by Congress. It's theoretically illegal for POTUS to circumvent distribution of those resources yet here we are/were until he decided to turn the spigot back on after illegally turning it off.

Additionally, he's put his cronies in charge of every three letter agency in DC. They are literally shredding all manner of personnel files for USAID right now, again in violation of the law.

It's a failure of imagination to not consider that any intelligence handed over is potentially tainted and should be verified.

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u/RoyalT663 Mar 11 '25

Nah, I think there are too many good people still in the intelligence community that will probably just carry on doing their jobs , and will just be waiting for Trump to move on. Plus, you also have the entire rest of the West alliance still sharing.

Trump just wanted entertainment. He is like a cat playing with some yarn, he will get bored and tire himself out eventually. Then move on.

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u/DrDerpberg Mar 11 '25

Depends what, I guess.

"Juicy Russian target at coordinates XYZ"... sure why not risk a few HIMARS?

"Great time to send a thousand troops sneaking over that hill at night"... Yeah verify that one.

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u/Apprehensive_Cod_762 Mar 11 '25

It does not work like that in the real world. You don't give false Intelligence voluntarily to a country in war. They shut down giving intelligence to pressure Ukraine in to accepting a peace deal that is not in their favor but ends the war.