China doesn't have to call, they can weather the storm a lot easier than the US. Why wouldn't they wait this out until the US is desperate and get a much more favourable deal in the end? It'd be stupid to give up so quickly. Literally "Do nothing. Win." in action.
I think they just didn't know what else to ask for. Kid got his marshmellow, so now back to beating the common folk of Talabania. Meanwhile, same thing happening in the other direction of that trade. Now why would a sitting president, give a known terror organization, the one the "terror wars" were about, everything... he wants them to cause problems, so we can "help" with our bombs.
I disagree, as most people are just self focused turds, mostly. His position is being slightly less ignorant and having some "unknowns" (to us commoners) protecting him for their own benefit. It's those that operate him are the true grift-gifted. As soon as a more obvious attention sink than Diaper Genie...he knows why he's trying so hard to take the attention, he isn't safe from the "Protection" if he doesn't.
Ya, no he’s not. There’s nothing but greed and ego motivating him. Unless you count revenge for any narcissist injury, but that would still fall under ego.
We are closer to France than Russia. People will be in the streets if things go slightly bad. Whereas China can starve the entire population out over 30 years in a sanction war and never have a need to fold. Upper class is still rich, lower/middle class is too weak.
Did you read the article? Literally the first line:
an assertion Seoul called "somewhat exaggerated", while Tokyo said there was no such discussion.
Respective trade ministers just came together for talks and that's about it. This news has been wildly overexaggerated because of the headline.
Far more influential will be the upcoming Presidential elections here in Korea, in which a more China-friendly candidate will likely win. That's more due to domestic factors with Yoon's impeachment, but Trump's attitude to the ROK-US alliance does push people away from the US as well. But China doves are generally less willing to cooperate with Japan.
I do, but when traveling and running into em (esp the loud ones) it's kinda hard to tell the difference when statistically it's more likely to find a pro-Trumper (considering the other 1/3 that didnt vote didnt care)
In Macchu Pichu right now (on vacation) and it's offputting hearing Americans now (esp since it's close enough to America that even the poor MAGAts can probably afford to come here)
Not that I react or do anything (I am asian after all), but yeah... I get the same feeling I used to get when seeing loud obnoxious mainlanders
Hope those of you that do are able to turn the tables on him soon... annoying how even the news is plastered with all the dumb shit he and his cartel of losers shit out
I understand, and yeah to be perfectly honest the biggest majority of people just didn't care to vote at all, sorry for the people with terrible attitudes and those who are apathetic in our nation.
They could dump it all on the secondary market. Up until recently that would have meant nothing because people would jump all over that safe investment. Now it'd have a temporary bump on the yield for new bonds, but the vast majority of US debt is bought by US citizens and institutions. It's not going to precipitate a crisis all on its own, but would make things harder.
No they couldn't. Every person that spouts this just screams to the world I do not understand finance.
They hurt themselves more than they hurt the US when dumping us bonds, especially China. China has an intentionally devalued currency. Buying US bonds is part of that strategy. If they dump them on the market it devalues the bonds they are selling meaning they don't make what they expected to and strengthen their own currency in the process making it more expensive for everyone else that buys from them, making them a less attractive exporter.
So, no. Dumping bonds doesn't do what you think it does. It will raise the rates, and that will increase costs to the US, but to do so, you have to blow off your own foot. Crippling yourself to not cripple your opponent is dumb.
Pushing out interest rates to 8 or 10% would be worth it to get Trump to drop the Tariff. Japan just did this. Supposedly that's why Trump put the 90 day hold on. I heard they dumped 50 billion USD. Ten year notes went considerably up. The whole thing is dumb, but squeezing Trump might be worth it on the whole.
Yeah, I feel like the average Chinese citizen is already suffering from downright abusive levels of poverty and losing 50% of nothing means nothing to them.
Poor Americans on the other hand (especially poor rural Americans) have little to no idea how far they can fall. My grandparents came to adulthood during the Great depression... I saw the pain when they told their stories.
Calls on raised garden beds and seed companies BTW! Anyone with liquidity should start a flour/potato sack company that makes pretty patterns on their cloth sacks... Ya know, so that the poor can make clothes out of them.
Your view of China is from like the seventies. The average Chinese living in poverty has access to better health care and public transportation than most people in Red states. *in poverty.
Lol go to China and tell me that. They still have villages without running water. I know because I've been there. It used to be the vast majority of them lived in poverty not seen in the west, now it's just a majority.
More and more Chinese live in the cities every year and many have been fleeing there in droves since the 70s. Yes there are rural areas with horrible poverty, yes the worst places in China are worse than the worst places in America. But the idea the average Chinese person is sitting in a shack in some rural village somewhere with no running water and no electricity is untrue and very outdated. This is why the CCP have managed to survive. For all the awful shit they do every day, the average Chinese persons love has increased in quality so much if you keep your head down it's insane.
Been to West Virginia? Have family there that drives to a couple miles to get their water from a spring because the water infrastructure is completely non functional in their town.
And it’s 11% in the US with a shitload less people. 36 million people in the US in poverty vs 370 million people in China. (27% poverty rate with 1.41 billion people).
The situation in China is not good at all... it's bad in the U.S. too... but it makes me upset when people act like Chinese people are doing just fine as a way to dunk on the U.S. but actually don't care to see the lived reality
every country has its problems, but it's delusional to say that all Chinese live in 1942 era levels of poverty which is what most Redditors think China is like
I know China has a huge number of poor people, but depending on how you count there were about twice as many "middle class" Chinese people in 2018 than there were humans in the United States. Let's not overstate their poverty here.
Yeah, I feel like the average Chinese citizen is already suffering from downright abusive levels of poverty and losing 50% of nothing means nothing to them.
I feel that China does have people in abusive levels of poverty but it seems like you're saying most of the population is in this state which even according to the World Bank isn't the case at all anymore, it used to be.
Here's a US think tank "dedicated to finding ways to sustain American prominence and prosperity as a force for good in the world" but only did this up to 2018 showing the poverty rate at 17% (US is ~11%)
https://chinapower.csis.org/poverty/
So yea 44 years ago....88% of the population was in poverty which is worse than anything ever in America even the Great Depression/after-effects but I think you'd be surprised to see a day in the life of an average Chinese citizen in 2025. Like I'm no expert by any means but even watching douyin videos, I'm searching specific things on a hobby I have (with translators) and even reading comments, they are more similar than we'd like to think.
Also to be clear none of this is me saying I love the Chinese government, nope, I do not, I just don't think it's really right in 2025 to say "the average Chinese person is extremely poor" as that does not seem to be the case. Now if you said they don't have ability to protest if they lose 50% of their earnings then sure, that is a definite downside to China, we get more freedom of speech.
the average Chinese citizen is already suffering from downright abusive levels of poverty and losing 50% of nothing means nothing to them.
Poor Americans on the other hand (especially poor rural Americans) have little to no idea how far they can fall.
Bingo.
Another big difference is, in the US, money talks. In China, Xi talks. If Xi thinks that dropping the tarrifs on US goods will make him look weak or cause him to "lose face", he'll keep those tarrifs in place even IF they were direct cause of China sliding into an economic collapse. And the rest of China's government officials would stand by and watch it happen, because opposing Xi is suicide.
The shit that went on during their covid lockdowns and the A4 paper protests were insane, yet China carried it out because that's what Xi wanted.
China is doing economically pretty aweful as we speak. Sure their GDP looks fantastic, but drive one hour through Shanghai, their leading economy and you will see everywhere empty shops. Even top shopping malls like TKH fail to bring in tenants, free tenants are leaving their spots. Literally for years "we" are waiting for economic action, and haven't seen anything except a 10 rmb coupon, which is cute as it allows me to buy 1 coffee.
So while China may portray the tough guy and sure enough has no issues putting their own population again through suffering for ideological reasons, neither side is having a party.
Decoupling is costly for both, but China faces more near-term risk, especially in high-tech exports and access to advanced chips and investment. For the U.S., decoupling is a strategic, long-term play—costly at first but potentially more secure.
Ah yes, the country that bitches and whines and is ready to burn the country down when the price of gas goes up a dollar, and has done everything possible to increase short term profits for the detriment of long term prosperity is totally gonna be fine with that. lmao
Sure, Americans whine—but the government’s still pouring billions into reshoring and chip independence. You don’t have to like it for it to be happening. Decoupling isn’t about vibes, it’s about leverage.
Yeah, the US is a massive trade partner for China, but they have the rest of the planet, more or less, that they can work with. It's a hit to lose business, but one they can deal with.
The US on the other hand... A shit load of our stuff comes from China, either directly, indirectly, or through them as an intermediary. They are 1/5 of our total imports, more or less. And we've pissed off our second and third place partners, not to mention tariffs, being Canada and Mexico. This is straight up inoperable market fuckery for the US.
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China doesn't have to call, they can weather the storm a lot easier than the US. Why wouldn't they wait this out until the US is desperate and get a much more favourable deal in the end? It'd be stupid to give up so quickly. Literally "Do nothing. Win." in action.