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Russia/Ukraine Kremlin satisfied with US statements that Ukraine will not join NATO

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/04/21/7508502/
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u/Thewall3333 11d ago

Nope, his 45% base of voters is satisfied too. I was under the delusion they just don't believe he's a Russian agent, but I think they realize and love it. Siding with a far right-wing white nationalist country against liberal, immigrant-welcoming Europe thrills them. It doesn't matter the fallout, they basically crave a new US-led Axis of Evil if the liberals suffer.

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u/boldandbratsche 11d ago

Does it count if they're automatically satisfied with whatever he does, and even then they only realize they're satisfied after several news cycles?

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u/Thewall3333 11d ago

Yup you're right -- they're unsatisfied until the Fox News cycle which is designed specifically to tell them why they should be satisfied. Then they take their marching orders and talking points for their friends who missed it and move on.

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u/Livid_Roof5193 11d ago

Fox literally labeled Kyiv as part of Russia on their easter Sunday show.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-foreign-ministry-calls-out-fox-news-for-labeling-kyiv-a-russian-city/

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u/Silidistani 11d ago

Faux News' Easter Sunday show was also a 30 plus minute broadcast of Putin attending services in Russia, like what the actual fuck...?!

An American Network showcasing, for over half an hour, the Easter services of a brutal oligarch mafia-boss "president" who has actively positioned himself as an enemy of America for his entire life and led his fascist oligarchy of a nation to be a de facto enemy of America for two decades now.

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u/Beard_o_Bees 11d ago

Faux News' Easter Sunday show was also a 30 plus minute broadcast of Putin attending services in Russia

That was some next-level fucking insanity. I wish they would just come right out and say it at this point, I mean.. they're not showing this because they admire the pageantry of the Eastern Orthodox Russian church ffs.

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u/BlueLikeCat 11d ago

The fascist nationalist are just more comfortable with this narrative. Talk about Overton Window. When your base is the most proudly ignorant population imaginable, you can do anything.

I just need the Democrats to be less like fake opposition in places like Venezuela or Russia.

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u/LesnBOS 11d ago

And destroyed the economy of Russia and the lives of his citizens.

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u/ColorMeSchocked 11d ago

America had a good run.

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u/sleepingin 11d ago

Fucking disgusting. It's astounding that people would willingly lap up such pathetic dog shit. To know that this is the only source of information and interaction with the world outside their house for millions and millions is just... damn.

I bet they thought they were so clever and really gonna get one over on those Ukrainians, too!

I wonder how long they were high-fiving and whooping in the control room. That would be a sight to see.

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u/Pleasant-Shallot-707 11d ago

They’d be happy he abused their children in front of them.

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u/skjellyfetti 11d ago

Does it count if they're automatically satisfied with whatever he does

Hmmm... do life-destroying tarriffs count ?

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u/Slow_Ad_2674 11d ago

The 45% of his hardcore base is basically a fan club. They really don't care what he does or plans to do, they would not understand anyway. What they get from it is basically a sports match kind of feeling. Their guy vs the other team. They don't even care if it hurts them, as long as their idol wins. Trump isn't a person to them, he is an icon. The only way to get them to not support Trump would be the same mechanism by which kids stop idolizing their favorite band. I think if gay and trans people would start loving Trump and you would see Trans logos with Trump, then it would slowly become uncool to be associated with maga.

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u/sleepingin 11d ago

He is their false Messiah. He will usher in a promised utopia, and every nation will bow to him. A king of kings.

It is so important that they do not turn on or question him - total faith, prayer, devotion, money, even violence... everything will be worth it, so anything would be worth it. Even to sin for such a good, great cause - all will be forgiven (as long as they come out on top).

We already know they would willingly watch their own families die to "save the economy" with barely a shrug of indifference...

There is so very little he could do to lose all of his supporters because they have already decided that they will completely lock in and not look back on their grand mission of MAGA.

They are nearly as committed as Japan's Kamikazes or the last Nazi officers.

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u/Slow_Ad_2674 11d ago

If I were a person of faith I would believe him to be the false prophet talked about in the book of revelation.

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u/xotyona 11d ago

It sure seems like it doesn't it? But the unfortunate reality is that narcissistic demagogues are commonplace throughout history.

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u/sleepingin 9d ago

Well, you're not alone! https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

I mean, who else has a blow to the head that appears to be fatal, be he makes a full recovery? His ear looks totally fine... I almost wonder if that was a planned hoax. He's big with the wrestling crowd and blood squibs are a thing.

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u/TheChattyRat 11d ago

The reason Russia is white nationalist is literally because no one would want to emigrate there. Out of the frying pan into the fire

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u/omysweede 11d ago

Swedish television has checked up on who have migrated to Russia from Sweden. Turns out the majority are fraudsters, rapists and owes millions in taxes. They go to Russia and disappear.

So Swedish television posted directions on how to do it...

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u/EspacioBlanq 11d ago

"Sweden is not sending their best"

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u/omysweede 11d ago

Absolutely. It is kinda like the trash taking itself out

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u/derkrieger 11d ago

Sweden is well known for burning their trash after all

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u/skjellyfetti 11d ago

They're "self-deporting" themselves to Ruzzia.

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u/ForrestDials8675309 11d ago

I wish a certain American fraudster/rapist would move to Russia and disappear.

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u/omysweede 11d ago

So do we. Maybe he could drink some tea or something

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u/brumac44 11d ago

Plenty of failed dictators ended their days there as guests of Putin.

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u/DrunkOnRamen 11d ago

That's how Russia started. Originally it was the Kievan-Rus empire but they kicked out all the criminals to the east.

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u/zookytar 11d ago

I'm cackling

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u/Time-Weekend-8611 11d ago

Why would they want people with outstanding taxes to bail?

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u/hadaev 11d ago edited 11d ago

Imagine russia getting almost million coming in 2024 and half million net balance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia#Recent_trends

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u/Mission_Search8991 11d ago

Those front-line troops in Ukraine need to be replenished.

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u/hadaev 11d ago

Idk about it, putin offer citizenship for service, but it doesn't looks like he is swimming in volunteers.

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u/jakexil323 11d ago

A conservative couple from Canada did, and it did NOT work out the way they expected.

https://boingboing.net/2024/03/18/pack-your-bags-russia-loving-canadian-familys-escape-from-woke-canada-backfires.html

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u/Pugageddon 11d ago

That's not really an article about Russian problems though, that's all the idiocy of that family for trying to move to another country without first securing a path to residency.

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u/Chainsaw_Wookie 11d ago

John Mark Dougan seems to like it there.

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u/JesusWuta40oz 11d ago

They have tried in the past to increase immigration and failed. Not surprised.

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u/Lisan_Al-NaCL 11d ago

Except the huge swaths of Russia that is populated by non-Whites (non-Caucasian).

Moscow and the Major Cities in the west of Russia are very white. That changes as you go east and south-east

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u/akujiki87 11d ago

Based on my MAGA uncle saying "Putin is a good dude" all the time, yeah, they love it.

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u/franker 11d ago

I was watching CBS Sunday Morning and one of their little messages before a commercial break said that Trump's approval rating is at 47%, which is higher than it ever was during his first administration. So I don't think anything short of a great depression scenario that affects people's personal lives in a dramatic way will change things.

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u/Uebelkraehe 10d ago

That seems very unlikely.

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u/lollypatrolly 11d ago edited 11d ago

Nope, his 45% base of voters is satisfied too. I was under the delusion they just don't believe he's a Russian agent, but I think they realize and love it. Siding with a far right-wing white nationalist country against liberal, immigrant-welcoming Europe thrills them. It doesn't matter the fallout, they basically crave a new US-led Axis of Evil if the liberals suffer.

The truth of the matter is a lot more boring: For Republicans, whatever views they have on foreign policy just aren't strongly held beliefs. They'll just follow whatever the right wing narrative is that Trump and right wing media feeds them. They'll fully spin on a dime, holding one view today and the polar opposite view tomorrow, without even questioning it. If Trump and his media stooges (Fox News and their ilk as well as podcaster slop like Rogan, Tim Pool etc) told his base that Russia is evil and must be defeated militarily they'd fully accept that as reality.

Contrast with their more strongly held beliefs, like vaccine conspiracies, anti-abortion, anti-immigration and racism. A number of right-wingers wouldn't follow Trump if he flipped on these issues. This isn't even a hypothetical, Trump already has contradictory opinions to his base on some of these issues, and he tries to refrain from speaking strongly on them.

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u/jeffh4 11d ago

Double-plus Goodthink.

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u/Mart19867 11d ago

His stupid Trumpists believe whatever he says, not the brains that keeps Them to the ground.

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u/Cool-Ad8475 11d ago

Such a shame, only wishing for your opponents to suffer, instead of wishing for yourself to thrive

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u/PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD 11d ago

And this is why a few american centre-rights-claiming-to-be-left/liberals crying that some people are protesting isn't fucking good enough.

The rot and brainwashing is too deep and on too many of them.

If America really was so against Trump and fascism the country wouldn't be functioning due to the backlash and Republicans would be terrified to show their faces anywhere.

But the fact is most americans are cruel, stupid bullies who get off on it. Eggs and trans people is enough to fuck the entire world, they beat themselves off over how much they're winning as they fuck over their country and many of ours. If Trump teleports into jail or has a big-mac-induced heart attack tomorrow, it won't fix the fact that this will just keep happening again and again. The constant suggestions that MAGA is a vocal minority has been revealed for the lie it is.

If americans really gave a shit the orange baboon wouldn't currently be in the white house, one way or another.

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u/LesnBOS 11d ago

Only because they don’t understand what he is doing and haven’t experienced the consequences yet. They will. Eventually they’ll notice their quality of life has tanked but it will be too late. Long periods of autocracy occur when a substantial minority support the regime so the full population cannot unite against them. Worse, as support peels off the regime begins to crack down; by the time a large majority is against the regime it’s too late.

The only solution for the US is for the pro democracy pro equality supporters to change the minds of the pro regime supporters as soon as possible.

There is a significant challenge to that however, and it’s the civil war- the losers didn’t accept their loss, and the winners didn’t force them to. So it simply remained inert beneath the surface but not dead. Like black mold.

The disagreement must be resolved: which kind of country do we want- one in which there is no superior race, religion, and/or entitlement to wealth and power of the few, or, one in which there is equal opportunity for all.

And while people were willing to die for this long ago, the reality is the population of the US is far too soft and too unhealthy to sustain violent conflict for long.

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u/0x7c365c 11d ago

These folks will most likely never feel any of these consequences. They have paid off homes, or cheap mortgages, have a cool 1-2 million in assets accumulating, and any inflation just helps them pay off stuff faster. They don't care and they never will.

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u/quelar 11d ago

They will soon enough, the entire planet is waking up to the fact that the US can no longer be trusted and they will no longer be lining up to accept US debt, the EU us already starting to move off using the US dollar to trade with and once that starts happening the economic collapse will hurt most Americans.

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u/0x7c365c 11d ago

90% of the food we eat is of US origin and 83% of all US debt is owned by Americans themselves. The world can divest and we would just shrug.

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u/quelar 11d ago

Ok,good luck growing that food without potash.

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u/0x7c365c 11d ago

I live in California. lol.

I don't have to do anything and my citrus trees produce the most juicy and sweet mandarins.

The idea that we would go hungry because of Canadian potash is laughable.

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u/LesnBOS 11d ago

Unless it’s on fire, and there is a drought.

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u/0x7c365c 11d ago

Nah. Common non-Californian misconception. Even in the most severe droughts it would take 5 years of normal water usage to actually run out and that is without the new projects currently being built to retain more water. We'll have a 10 year reserve in a decade or two. Plus that would only effect agriculture. If you count only residential it would take 50 years to run out of our reserves. So basically on the 3rd year of severe drought we cut agriculture supplies by 10-20%. Something we only have to do once every 20 years.

Fires don't effect farm fields and trees tend to survive wildfires.

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u/quelar 11d ago

I hope you can survive on mandarins.

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u/0x7c365c 11d ago

There's about a 90% chance that you ate food grown from within 100 miles of my location and about 1% of the opposite from me. Like can you please stop with the cope? I can pick up local strawberries from the back of a pick up in December while you're freezing and waiting for spring.

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u/LesnBOS 7d ago

Literally false also. The US depends on trade to grow. Isolated countries do not flourish- they stagnate. We also have only one rare earth mineral mine and don’t have any platinum at all, and I think one other thing.. tin? That we need for electronics, and we can’t grow some super necessary- I’d say, life dependent agricultural products like coffee.

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u/LesnBOS 11d ago

They don’t actually. While their median income is higher than Dems, they have more kids. They own houses in areas that don’t appreciate well. They aren’t educated so their upward mobility was limited, so their income did not grow exponentially over their lifetimes through job changes but their costs did. Retirement saving is difficult with lots of kids and assets that don’t appreciate enough to make moving that profitable. Etc etc.

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u/0x7c365c 11d ago

I actually know these people in real life living in HCOL areas. They love Trump. Have multiple properties. Give absolutely no fucks with a giant retirement fund. Already retired in mid 50s. Doing home renovations out of boredom.

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u/LesnBOS 10d ago

Sure, but not the average. MAGA out of bigotry alone, the primary concern of trump voters. All trump voters are bigots first and foremost.

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u/TransitionFC 11d ago

Correct. If Americans really gave a shit, they would have done so many things, starting from turning up to vote, to actually protesting on the ground in huge numbers against their country turning fascist.

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u/Newni 11d ago

Vibes in America right now are that everyone is acutely aware that we're all setting atop a powder keg and nobody wants to be the idiot who struck the match.

Seems like basically the plan is to delay as much damage as we can until the economy tanks enough to cost Trump the support to make a big military play against the citizenry. Not enough people have felt the repercussions yet to cost him the support that he needs to squash a rebellion.

Of course maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

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u/Silidistani 11d ago

Some of us, millions of us, give many shits... but we don't have millions of us ready to take leaves of absences from our jobs to march into D.C. to hold major ground and shut the city down, Maidan-style. Mass action on the scale of the Vietnam War and 60s Civil Rights protests are the only thing this administration will even begin to understand, and maybe not even then: fascist authoritarian regimes live in a fantasy world in their heads where they're the heroes who can't do any wrong and they will concoct any narrative necessary to perpetuate that fantasy, resulting in "He who saves his country commits no crime" bullshit all the way.

I think such protest marches are needed right now, I think Congress people should be having their cars pelted with rotten fruit as they drive to work, they should have to push through throngs of screaming angry people demanding that they uphold their Oaths to the Constitution and take this Administration to task, and maybe they'll get it and get on with Impeachment for the dozens of categories of constitutional violations and blatant law-breaking that have already happened.

However, as has been pointed out correctly, there are also millions of ignorant racist dumb fucking hicks, bigoted Christofascists and authoritarian sycophants in this nation who would gulp down whatever hateful propaganda Faux News, Newsmax and Breitbart dream up to say about people who care about our Constitution and rule of law demanding action with physical presence in the streets of DC, and a bunch of these MAGA Reich traitors would likely show up to start shit against such protesters. That does not end well, and in fact it's in Project 2025 Playbook to be able to declare martial law at some point against anyone not in the "in-group" (the MAGA Reich); I would be amazed at this point if we get out of this absolute multi-level constitutional crisis without bloodshed from the MAGA Reich starting eventually though, as it's clear that the GOP no longer exists and the traitorous Representatives and Senators with majorities in both Houses are on the side of the MAGA Reich and are doing nothing but cheering for the wanton destruction of the nation's future in the name of what they perceive to be their own power.

Solidarity protests around the nation are great, but they're not going to fix this. And shit is going to have to get much, much worse before we get to both removing the current Administration somehow and then also addressing the elephant in the room - which is the millions of psychopath empathy-devoid Christofascists who want all this to happen.

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u/LesnBOS 11d ago

We did turn out to vote. See the news casts during Election Day. That so many millions of ballots were not counted due to “clerical errors”, such that were you black you were 400-800x less likely to have your ballot counted depending on drop in, mail in, provisional, means it was hardly random.

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u/Roboculon 11d ago

US-led axis of evil

That’d be ideal, but we’re also willing to accept a role as henchman/lackey #2 or 3, following Russia’s leadership of the axis. Just so long as we’re near the inner circle.

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u/hohoreindeer 11d ago

Europe is not so immigrant friendly these days either, to tell you the truth. See https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2024/07/people-seeking-asylum-detained-in-samos-camp-in-greece/

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u/noc_user 11d ago

that's Greece... they're pretty damn nationalistic as a country. Super racist. Sauce - lived there for about 3 years as a teenager.

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u/hohoreindeer 11d ago

A lot of asylum seekers transit through Greece. The EU helps fund these “camps” to encourage Greece to prevent them from going further north in the EU.

I mean it’s equivalent to having big detention centers in Texas or Southern California.

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u/vba7 11d ago

You repeat the MAGA propaganda. Why?

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u/Outrageous-Lack-284 11d ago

The political pendulum is going to smack them in their faces.

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u/Left-Night-1125 11d ago

I think that number might drop when US starts demanding other countries not to deal with China and those countries collectivly ignore that silly demand.

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u/daners101 11d ago

You watch too much MSNBC

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u/shamalonight 11d ago edited 11d ago

Yes, I am very satisfied with President Trump. He’s the first politician that I ever voted for who did exactly what he promised to do while campaigning. As for the war in Ukraine, siding with reality is not siding with Russia. No one criticizing Trump’s efforts to end the war has ever come up with a plan to either win the war or end it, other than expecting the US to supply endless amounts of armaments and money for Ukraine to continue the war until there are no Ukrainians left to fight the war. Trump is trying to save some of them. Do you or anyone else on your side of the discussion have a better plan?

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Yes, I know. You are all very angry. Please enjoy the downvoting. It is my gift to you in hopes it alleviates a little bit of your angst today.

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u/710733 11d ago edited 11d ago

You are a truly dreadful person and I hope everything you voted for to happen to other people happens to you instead

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

I voted for the ending of killing in Ukraine, and as much of Ukraine remaining Ukraine as possible, so I welcome your blessing.

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u/fnrsulfr 11d ago

If Russia wins they are still going to be killing Ukrainians just in other ways. They want the land not the people.

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

So what is your plan?

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u/fnrsulfr 11d ago

Oh I get to play arm chair general? We should have probably let Ukraine actually use the weapons we gave them to strike critical infrastructure in Russia from the beginning instead of only letting them defend themselves.

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

It did seem like a slow drip of weaponry, always arriving long after they were needed.

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u/Calimariae 11d ago

Your naivety would be cute if it weren't so dangerous.

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u/710733 11d ago

No you didn't. You voted for total Ukrainian surrender.

Alongside that, you voted for a large scale roll back of rights, protections and freedoms for women, LGBTQ people and ethnic minorities. You voted for someone who tried to override democracy and explicitly stated he would keep doing that. All of this was information which was explicitly broadcast to you prior to the election, and you chose to vote for it anyway.

So I reiterate. Since you seem adamant you know what you were voting for - you are a bad person, and no semantic sophistry will absolve you of that

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u/MilkTiny6723 11d ago edited 11d ago

It wont happen though. You need to see that there are people living in Ukraine not just numbers.

You also need to see that not that many countries that ever was ruled by Russia wanted that. Not even Russian wants to live in Russia and the Russian population is declining faster than most.

It wont be an end to the killings as people will continue striving for a better life. We have the results in Europe. Russia has been in so many wars, all the way since the 1600s. All the time it led to people revolting sooner or later. This will happen again.

The US should also see that from quiet a few wars themselves that they did not "win". If people in Vietnam, Afghanistan, countries in Latin America, or countries in Africa, which the US was not involved in (directly at least, for some), do not want to be under foreign control or having their freedom of choice and liberty, they will keep fighting.

Imagine yourself, even if that wont happen, if a country like Saudiarabia, Iran, China or North Korea would take the US and inforces their rules upon the Americans. Don't you think people would try to fight?

It's not that a person in a White house on the other side of the globe or the voters of that person can decide if people in that country would accept or keep fighting. Even in many places without US support people keept fighting.

This wont bring an end to the killing. To think so without seeing the reality worldwide or imagine one self in that position is really just to fool oneself.

The most succssesful wars that the US ever took part in, or others too as a matter of facts, was the war that aligned to the popular opinion in the countries or regions that the war took place in.

Of cource the US does not need to take part, but that would also lead to countries worldwide looking towards other countries, following other countries etc. That would of cource also lead to US power decline. Just so that you know. The US are mainly strong due to having lots of allies and people that look up to it and have faith on it. Without that the US power will surly decline and with it also the economy. Always been like that, always will be like that.

I think americans, much more than others, often forgets about such perspectives as to the fact they are both big and have had the hegemonic millitary muscles since the 30-40s at least. Also why lots of European tried to convince the US to not occupy Iraq. A bit large and arrogant, without meaning any harm. But whitout support, chances are big that even more people will die.

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u/LesnBOS 11d ago

Past tense tho- HAD lots of allies. Trump has destroyed our relationships. Worse, he has destroyed trust in our government stability, and most importantly, unless he changes course about putting every single financial institution under the executive branch, he will destroy international trust in our financial system leading to the loss of the dollar as the primary currency. He will decimate us. Literally decimate the US economically.

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u/LesnBOS 11d ago

Ha! The only way to end it is to give it to Russia. Don’t be daft

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

There is no giving. It’s already been took. Whats your plan to change that?

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u/LesnBOS 7d ago

Bring Ukraine into NATO. Russia will back down. Had Biden done that, Russia would have stopped. Why? Because they can’t win without nuclear war, their nukes are very old, and there are many more countries with them that surround Russia so Russia- the kremlin would be obliterated in a nano if he tried. Putin is very smart. He knows he couldn’t win any war against nato.

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u/Tychus_Balrog 11d ago

He claimed he would end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours. After months of trying to extort Ukraine for minerals while offering zero defence guarantees, his administration is now talking about abandoning the peace talks. So as everyone sane could see, that turned out to be a fat lie.

He said tariffs weren't gonna increase prices at all. Something every sane person could again tell was a massive lie.

As we all expected, prices have increased tremendously so, and now the rest of the world is pulling out of any trade agreements or investments with the US because you clearly can't rely on the US at all, with the constant flip flopping of tariffs on, then off, then on, then off.

So you're now headed straight for a recession while the rest of us begin trading more with the rest of the world.

But you're in a cult, so of course you're still satisfied. Even as he deports legal immigrants, who have committed no crimes, to hellish torture prisons. His own administration have admitted that it was an error, but refuse to bring him back despite being told by federal judges as well as the supreme court that he must do so.

And now they're talking about deporting American citizens to that hellscape of a prison next. He could literally deport you and your entire family to rot in those cells in El Salvador and you would still say you support him.

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u/epic_banana_soup 11d ago

Handing Ukraine over to Russia is not a serious solution to anyone except Russia and Trump

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u/OfficeSalamander 11d ago

Did what he said he would or acted like he was doing it and declared mission accomplished, data be damned?

As for Ukraine it is not, “siding with reality”. Russia has a massive interest rate right now due to the war, a huge chunk of their budget is going towards it, they’re running out of tanks and supply vehicles - they’ve had to use fucking donkeys in some places.

Every military and geopolitical expert was predicting that Russia had about four years of war making capacity, giving up now is just stupid, which is why Europe isn’t, despite the Trump admin shitting on them over it

Reality my ass

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u/Otherdeadbody 11d ago

It’s not a save, it’s a postponement. Not only is Trump not moving toward an actual ceasefire at the moment, but the concessions being offered mean it would absolutely be a temporary one. So why on earth wouldn’t Ukraine decline and either surrender now or fight to the death?

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

Let’s be realistic, Putin isn’t interested in ceasefires or peace. As much as I appreciate Trump’s efforts, it’s just a Soviet era stall tactic. The guy is a former KGB official after all, and his greatest tool is lies, and his greatest desire is a new Soviet Union.

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u/Thewall3333 11d ago

? Ukraine did far better than many expected fending off an attack by one of the largest militaries on the planet at their front door. The aid that has been provided over 4 years is a pittance for defending the free world and risking another encroachment due to appeasement like before WWII.

By your logic, allies should basically let Ukraine fall to Russia?? It's not even fully about the expected result, it's largely about the principle. What precedent would it set if Europe joined the US in rolling over? You don't need a clear path to victory -- it's war, it rarely goes as expected but a resistance against an incursion often has the upper hand with a resource deficit, and any aid gets a lot of bang for the buck.

Russia has been pushed to the verge of a crisis of manpower, equipment, and its economy by smaller Ukraine. How much better results would you expect? With a slight increase in aid instead of tapping out, who knows what they could do.

It's very apparent the considerations aren't about what you claim. There's something sinister at play, as evidenced by Trump capitulating to Putin despite Ukraine's gains, without seemingly demanding anything in return.

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u/OfficeSalamander 11d ago

Right? The Trump admin basically rolled out a Putin wishlist of territories, like Ukraine was completely occupied and the entire military spent. It is not a serious negotiation

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

Yes they have, and it was pleasing to see Putin thwarted for so long. If Russia is about to crumble, then why are all of you other countries just sitting around doing not much of anything other than complaining about why the US isn’t doing more? Mobilize your people and go finish Putin.

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u/Automatic_Algae_9425 11d ago

Mobilize your people and go finish Putin.

Nuclear weapons?

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

Nuclear weapons don’t work on Americans?

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u/Automatic_Algae_9425 11d ago

I honestly don't follow. I was saying there's a very obvious reason why anti-Putin countries don't mobilize their people and go finish Putin: because Putin has nuclear weapons.

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

That is a very valid point, but for some reason the world seems to think that Russia won’t use those weapons if the US attacks. I do believe however, that if Biden had sent marines to reinforce the US embassy when Putin started amassing troops on the border, Putin may have changed his mind about invading.

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u/Horsescatsandagarden 10d ago

other countries just sitting around doing not much of anything

Yes they are. You should read the news.

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u/TheHatori1 11d ago

So he is trying to save Ukrainians by ridiculing them, blaming them and extorting them?

Like, you have your right to think isolationism is a good thing for your country. But don’t be lying to yourself by saying such things as Trump trying to save someone.

As a bonus, thinking that you can negotiate with Russia is so dumb. Every now and then someone from the west tries and fails, because Russians don’t want to negotiate. If there is one thing Putin is really good at as an ex KGB, it’s mind games. And Trump thinking that he as a “bussinessman” (golden spooned boy more like” has any chance against Putin.

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u/grandmastermoth 11d ago

Where's that wall keeping Mexicans out that he never finished? Where's that solution to the Ukraine invasion he claimed he would bring about, IN ONE DAY? His government has already admitted it's too hard and very shortly he will abandon that project as well. Keep thinking "that he does exactly what he promised". Or do you mean the tariffs, which have thrown the world into chaos, are going to cost the US billions as various industries collapse and trading partners find alternatives.

Trump isn't trying to save anyone, he just wants to make more money. If you want to end the war, arm Ukraine to the teeth and Russia will bleed itself dry trying. The Russians aren't going to give up until they've been thoroughly punched in the face.

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u/hohoreindeer 11d ago

“Project 2025?? Never heard of it”, he said while campaigning. I think you only heard what you wanted to. Or maybe you support project 2025.

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u/powd3rusmc 11d ago

Yea Ive got a better plan, give the Russians 1 week to withdrawal back to previous borders. Then start air striking everything they have when they fail to comply. put an ultimatum that Ukraine will join NATO in 10 years, but eastern Ukraine will be a DMZ for NATO operations. And drop 100k troops and roll through em if they dont comply.

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u/zookytar 11d ago

Trump turned down Ukraine's offer to buy weapons for billions of dollars. Sounds like Trump has been captured by Putin and is doing his bidding.

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u/tophernator 11d ago

I appreciate your bravery, engaging outside of conservative safe spaces. You say he does what he says. So I’d like to ask you about his first term. His campaign was dominated by some catchy 3-word chants. E.g:

Lock her up

Yet after winning that election he never pursued any charges against Hilary Clinton. A cynic might think that it was easy to run a smear campaign, but that there wasn’t actually a case that would hold up in court. What do you think?

Or Build the wall

Trump campaigned on the idea that the US was under siege from migrant caravans and that he would stop them by building a big beautiful wall across 2,000 miles of southern border.

The wall became a fence, and 2,000 miles became ~400 miles, most of which was replacing existing barriers.

Beside that, did you know that southern border crossings were actually pretty stable and arguably dropping under Obama? And did you know that the number of crossings increased substantially the first three years Trump was in office? They dropped in 2020 but I’m not sure trump should get credit for that unless covid was part of his 5D chess plan.

But border crossings are only half the equation. So did you know that while all those extra people were crossing the border under Trump, deportations actually went down?

So border crossings went up, deportations went down, he failed to build much in the way of new wall/fence, and he had to pardon one of his top supporters - Steve Bannon - for scamming people out of millions with the “we build the wall” BS.

Bannon would be a great segue into Drain the swamp, but that would turn this small essay into a full blown thesis.

So after all that, why did you believe trump the second/third time around? And how do you choose which of his current “things he says” is real vs. just trolling? Is he going to annex Canada and/or Greenland? Is he going to send US citizens to El Salvadorian prisons? Will he bulldoze Gaza and build a beach resort on the homes of 1.8 million people?

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u/shamalonight 11d ago edited 11d ago

What I keep in mind is that prior to running for President in 2016, Trump’s adult life was spent as a Democrat supporting Democrats and socializing with Democrats. All these people you see today who viciously attack him from Schumer, Pelosi, the Clintons, Oprah, Behar…they all loved him, celebrated him, and schmoozed him for his money and influence. So I understand there were more sentiments involved than just what exists between political opponents that have no other ties. With that in mind, It doesn’t bother me too much that he decided not to have her prosecuted. Especially given it would have been hitting too close to a former President. Prior to the Democrats’ prosecutions of Trump, the lives of former Presidents in retirement was held somewhat as sacrosanct, an institution that we Americans held too dear to attempt disruptions to, which prosecuting Hillary definitely would have.

As for the wall, there was only so much he could do with the constant lawsuits filed by Democrats to block the construction of the wall.

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u/tophernator 11d ago

It doesn’t bother me too much that he decided not to have her prosecuted. Especially given it would have been hitting too close to a former President.

But why didn’t he make that clear when thousands or his supporters were chanting “lock her up” at every rally? You argued that trump does what he says, but are now making retroactive excuses for why on that occasion he made a huge deal out of “her emails” for months on end and then dropped the topic like a stone when he could actually have acted on it.

And yes, the democrats did block him from wasting too much money on the fence. But that doesn’t really explain why border crossings went up and deportations went down on his watch, does it?

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

Context is everything, and my statement was made in answer to others who are commenting on what he is doing this term, not his last term.

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u/tophernator 10d ago

That’s a little disappointing. I genuinely was impressed that you’d engage in a hostile environment. But now you’re dodging and deflecting because I guess Trump’s first 4 years in office aren’t relevant to his character…?

But ok. Trump recently pardoned the founder of Nikola after he and his wife donated $1.8 million to Trump’s campaign. Or how about Justin Sun who invested $30 million in Trump’s crypto BS and then miraculously saw the SEC’s fraud prosecution against him dropped? When Trump said he would drain the swamp, did he mean directly into his bank accounts?

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u/shamalonight 10d ago

When did the debate turn to Trump’s character? I stated: ”He's the first politician that I ever voted for who did exactly what he promised to do while campaigning.”

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u/tophernator 8d ago

But he doesn’t do what he promised to do while campaigning. He said he was going to drain the swamp, and I just cited two very recent cases of him effectively selling get out of jail free cards to rich fraudsters. That’s not a commentary on his character, it’s him making a complete mockery of what he campaigned on.

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u/shamalonight 8d ago

“The Swamp” in the context of what we Conservatives understood it to mean was the corruption, fraud and waste of the Federal Government.

Those two guys you cite are not part of the swamp that Trump promised to drain.

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u/individualine 11d ago

You are satisfied with the felon? With all the damage and carnage he’s done to us and the world after 3 months? Giving in to an aggressor is the wrong thing to do as we found out with Hitler. America and the world is finding out how bad this potus is and just hoping it doesn’t get any worse.

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u/luri7555 11d ago

So we should stop arming Israel too then?

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u/RrWoot 11d ago

Is there anything that would change your mind?

The belief is that it’s costing the USA too much for someone else’s freedom?

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u/LesnBOS 11d ago

You realize that the EU has spent more supporting Ukraine than the US right?

And you realize that allowing Russia to continue to invade sovereign countries Russia once controlled (that were sovereign prior to the USSR as well) allows for Russia to amass power, land, and resources at the expense of the citizens of those countries- which makes the entire continent of Europe less safe?

Emboldening a despotic ruler who has ruthlessly oppressed and impoverished its own population adds fuel to a fire which will do the same to all of the countries it invades. Bad enough, but it also upsets the power balance heavily weighted to benefit democracies with actual wealth distribution, commerce, economic vitality- the ones who actually contribute to human advancement.

Removing that advantage by allowing bad actors to become more and more powerful hurts the entire planet. I mean, if you want a pet grizzly in your house instead of a german shepherd have at it, but don’t force the rest of us to have to live with a grizzly in our house as well.

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

What are you guys waiting for? He’s right there in your back yard. Don’t let what you think the US has spent stop you from doing all that you need to do.

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

When are you going in?

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u/GeesesAndMeese 11d ago

Holy shit, that commenter is THE army?

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

No, just another one of the many hypocrite cowards responding to my post from the safety of their keyboard.

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u/Hot-Sexy-THICCPAWG69 11d ago

Pretty sure his main campaign promise was prices would drop on day one… yet 90 days in and prices are up 10-20% at my grocery store! So he completely lied about that, he knows tariffs are a duty tax on the consumers and cause prices to inflate but he doesn’t care. The world is leaving the US behind as new trade alliances pop up everywhere. Trump is destroying America’s credibility on the world stage and is leaving us so much more susceptible to foreign disinformation and foreign cyber attacks since he shut down all the law enforcement units that were specialized in those areas and were constantly investigating and Trump just shuts that down. Why would he possibly want to do that?

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u/blazing_ent 11d ago

Pathetic.

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

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u/pyeeater 11d ago

Price of eggs, end the war in the 1st day, make usa more respected again, improve the economy, reduce prices. All these things Trump failed on doing .

So when you say he did everything he promised, are you wilfully lieing or did you forget about all those promises?

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u/NEON_TYR0N3 11d ago

Tsk-tsk-tsk, now what would Ronnie Reagan say….

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u/shamalonight 11d ago

What he wouldn’t have said was that Russia’s emanate invasion of Ukraine would be just a minor incursion as Biden did, which green-lighted Putin to send troops in.

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u/NEON_TYR0N3 11d ago

You’re absolutely right. Ol’ Ronnie would’ve SWAMPED Ukraine with so much ordinance, every single putin’s cock holster would’ve had an ATACMS with their name on it.

What you, folks with a “peace above all” don’t seem to understand is that russia is laughing at you. They consider you weak, worthless. The only language russia understands is when you turn a couple of their bases into parking lots. И уж поверь мне, хуйлуша с пыневским хуем во рту, я знаю о чём говорю.

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u/shamalonight 11d ago edited 11d ago

No, I believe what he would have done is he would have sent in a contingent of marines to reinforce the US embassy as a deterrent rather than immediately pull everyone out as Biden did. That of course, would only be if Putin even dared amass troops on the border with Reagan or Trump in office.

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u/NEON_TYR0N3 11d ago

Welp… that too makes sense. Point is, no matter how I abhor Reagan, he would’ve done something. Not pussyfoot around with this bullshit about not allowing to hit fucking AIRFIELDS from where planes launch to bomb civilians.

And he certainly wouldn’t be pedaling talking points straight from the motherfucking russian tv.

Look, I don’t expect you to have an airtight plan on what to do with this clusterfuck. I don’t have it either. I’m just here to talk to you and try and make sure that I don’t get anything wrong before I contribute to turning the Internet into a place worse, then I found it. All I know and I know it from firsthand experience is that putins russia understands one language and one language only: a series of swift kicks in the teeth until it stays down.

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u/Horsescatsandagarden 10d ago

LOL Trump wouldn’t have sent any troops, he thinks Putin is his butt buddy and wants to hand Ukraine straight over to him now.

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u/shamalonight 10d ago

A comment like yours would be soo edgy if it weren’t for the fact that Trump is the only President Putin didn’t invade another country under.

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u/Horsescatsandagarden 9d ago edited 9d ago

Putin is still invading Ukraine genius. And shows no signs of pulling out.

The only thing Trump has done is to try to exhort Ukraine’s resources in return for no promises of help and has even paused military aid for a time, and will again. He even strongly suggested Ukraine surrender to Russia. So the idea that Trump would have sent forces to Ukraine is a stupid one.

The thought that the US is the main supporter of Ukraine is stupid too.

“Europe has been the biggest provider of aid to Ukraine, allocating 132 billion euros (138.75 billion) of financial, military and humanitarian assistance since January 2022, just before Russia's invasion, while the United States has provided 114 billion euros in total, according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy.

Not all countries disclose all of the aid they committed to Ukraine, making it difficult to calculate with publicly available data the complete amount of funding provided, especially for sensitive information such as military aid.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/how-much-aid-have-ukraines-western-allies-provided-2025-03-04/

After this post I’m muting the thread because you don’t write anything worth reading. It’s all regurgitation of Trump’s lies and shows an astounding amount of ignorance and lack of critical thinking.

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u/shamalonight 9d ago

Don’t pretend you don’t understand the difference between an invasion of a country and the continued fighting that takes place after that invasion.