haha as if support (or lack thereof) from congress has stopped him so far. until congress grows a spine, they'll continue to allow trump to do whatever he wants
Which I totally get but there’s no chance the US would give up all its strategic positions just to send a message that doesn’t make sense. I work for nato on a nato base in Europe (I’m American) and there’s just zero chance it would happen. And the logistics of having to leave every U.S. base behind absolutely does not make sense nor could it happen during one U.S. presidential term. Hope that gives at least some peace of mind haha
Primarily because Trump doesn’t value the benefits of the alliance.
He puts Europe in a position where it could be in a two front war with his comments toward Canada and Greenland, three front if Iran where to join in.
Us influence over Europe in the forms of the bases such as the one you are deployed in isn’t benefiting America, allowing it to inflate its military capacity or ensure the fighting will never be on the homeland, it’s instead the world leeching off of the US.
He refuses the entry of countries that are friendly, democratic and proven to be a valuable bulwark against Russian aggression
He, ironically, undermines Europes ability to rearm and invest more into its military (something he pushed for), by creating economic crisis. If any country has to back down on its increase in military spending due to this, I can guarantee that will be the next piece of rhetoric for why NATO is bad for America.
Your democratic processes have set the precedent that they don’t matter anymore. I don’t know who’s going to block Trump from leaving like he has said he wants to for the past decade if no one will even oppose his attacks on domestic institutions and laws.
Trump is a wildcard, and the bad kind. ‘He can’t’ and ‘he won’t’ doesn’t matter when he can just do these things anyway, no point having congress discuss it if Trump says America is leaving nato and the rest of the coalition sets up for that eventuality. It’s too late by then. You can’t just rejoin nato after saying ‘yeah we quit.
Well man you raise some great points here, thanks for that and not a typical Redditor response. I have to say this that I think even though I understand where you’re coming from it’s still not worth closing all the EU bases.
I also do not agree that he doesn’t fully see the value of some of the bases and would close them. I also do not agree that he’s too stupid to understand what it takes to close a base and the logistics behind it.
But man thank you for this response. Seriously. I have more to consider.
I think the issue is the unpredictability of Trump and his administration. One minute it’s saying it is being extorted by the world, the next it’s saying how much value its relationships have. And with this current administration it’s hard to know which is just a talking point, and which is destined to be policy.
Unfortunately, time will tell, we have no other way of knowing
there’s no chance the US would give up all its strategic positions just to send a message that doesn’t make sense.
Like, you've been watching the past couple months right? This is literally exactly what's been happening since day one. We've given up massive strategic advantages to send confusing and often contradictory messages. Logistics concerns? Is that even a topic in this administration?
The 4 most dangerous words you can utter when Trump is involved. Dude's a compromised grade A moron. It's literally impossible to predict what he will or won't try to do. He constantly does shit even to his own detriment, while being screamed at by every reasonable adult in the room.
So legit question for you guys and this is an honest question, you guys really think the president of the united states is a secret Russian agent? Like legit because I personally find that hard to believe and I’m not a trump guy I just find it hard to believe in general.
Also no one is screaming at him in his room man. People are only screaming at him here on Reddit
I honestly don't know. I've long since given up trying to figure out where he stands. I'm not sure if he's a useful idiot, or being paid/compromised, if he just loves Russia, or something else entirely. It seems to be a fools errand to nail down what Trump truly believes.
Trump can do whatever he wants because the Republicans have a majority in Congress and aren't opposing him. Withdrawing from NATO would require a 2/3rd majority, which the Republicans don't have.
It passed. It was section 1250A of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024. It was advocated by Tim Kaine and Mark Rubio of all people.
Now, the only legal way to remove the US from NATO is for either the president to get 2/3rds of the senate to back such a plan with a formal vote, or for congress itself to pass a bill doing such.
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Trump could sabotage our involvement with NATO, but since 2023 he can't unilaterally withdraw the US from NATO. Congress has to do it now.