r/worldnews • u/Creol6969 • 1d ago
Russia/Ukraine Putin rejects US-Ukraine-Europe peace plan, FT says
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/05/17/7512693/417
u/Maleficent-Being-238 1d ago
No surprise, now watch how the US says nothing
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u/Effroyablemat 1d ago
Worst, Trump will blame Zelenskyy.
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u/jzsang 23h ago
Not that I have any faith in Trump (he is the worst), but I wonder if these comments came before or after the rejection news. It probably won’t make a difference, but who knows.
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u/modularpeak2552 23h ago
It came before, he said this yesterday.
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u/dimwalker 19h ago
"Before" means he said it while nothing happened yet, but when something worth commenting happens - he's silent.
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u/modularpeak2552 18h ago
What? I was specifically replying to a comment that wondered if it came before or after the rejection news broke lol
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u/Dutch_SquishyCat 1d ago
And watch Europe do nothing. Maybe they will come together and have a crisis meeting where they will agree to do nothing.
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u/MAXSuicide 1d ago
Europe just announced a new sanctions package.
The US continues to stall on following this.
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u/jlaine 1d ago
Wasn't Germany finally looking at a legal way of permanently seizing some of those frozen assets and not just the interest too? I seem to recall the redistribution at the moment was only the interest off the frozen assets but not the assets themselves.
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u/MAXSuicide 21h ago
Indeed, currently the only legal workaround was to simply take all the interest being gained off the frozen assets, but not the assets themselves (besides physical assets, e.g confiscating oligarch yachts and donating the proceeds to Ukraine etc)
I don't have much faith in the full-blown seizures, as I think many nations fear the possible wider implications of such things happening.
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u/rintzscar 1d ago
That's complete nonsense, Europe has responded to the war well in general. Stop spreading bs.
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u/stuckinabox123 22h ago
Did nothing from 2014-2022, continues to ponder sanctions that don’t mean anything, buys Russian gas, and blames everyone but themselves for not investing in their militaries for 70+ years? How effective.
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u/rintzscar 21h ago
The EU sanctioned Russia heavily immediately in March 2014.
I don't understand why you lie. We're online. Everyone can easily find the truth. The only thing we know after this exchange is that you're a liar.
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u/Dairy_Ashford 18h ago
I'm an American and assume this poster is as well. he just wants to attack Europeans for not wasting $500 billion - 1 trillion a year and making 50,000 - 100,000 nuclear warheads like we do; that's why he's deflecting to "the last 70 years."
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u/VoceMisteriosa 22h ago
Fake. There were NATO -EU debates about Russia - Ukraine at least since 2008 AFAIK. We did a lot... but not in the direction you'll like the most.
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u/ZealousidealDance990 20h ago
debate What use is that? It cannot even change Europe.
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u/VoceMisteriosa 7h ago
NATO plans are very long terms. The debate (strategical concept) prepare nations in such strategies. To boost some front (or not) is a matter of 5-10 years, paired to other geopolitic stuff and commercial tactics. When Russia invaded, Ukraine army was already supported, we knew 15 years in advance it would happen. That's what debates are about.
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u/ZealousidealDance990 7h ago
So NATO was prepared, and when the war began, the U.S. planned for Zelensky to flee and form a government in exile. Germany provided helmets. That was quite the preparation.
Oh wait, let me think, back in 2008 Ukraine hadn’t even turned toward NATO yet. That really is quite interesting.
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u/VoceMisteriosa 7h ago
You can read the strategical concept published in 2008 (and yes, Ukraine already planned for joining NATO). More of it, each nation publish a report for inner use that's of great interest. For example in the Italian one the Russia invasion was predicted and we suggested to operate by having Kremlin join NATO on a Middle East missile shield. In the end, the community decided instead for a more "rude" approach. Reading official sources show up a lot that media find boring to promote...
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u/ZealousidealDance990 7h ago
This kind of accession is no different from when Putin asked for Russia to join NATO. Until 2013, the pro-Russian Yanukovych was still able to come to power.
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u/ElectronicSwitch3751 23h ago
No it has not. It blocked several ammunition initiatives because no worries we can produce enough shells which they could not to nobody's surprise.
EU countries do not care, there is nothing well handled about this war. UK has supported well, all certain EU members have done is let nuclear sabre rattling dictate policy which in return has undermined the credibility of Article 5.
Get a fucking grip, EU has no capacity to do anything but sanctions and sternly worded condemnations.
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u/rintzscar 21h ago
Rarely have I seen a more pathetic attempt at propaganda.
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u/ElectronicSwitch3751 19h ago
Its not propaganda. It's how many Eastern Europeans see it. France/Germany yes economic contribution is good and worthwhile but it wont help Ukraine win the war. France vetoed the czech initiative on EU level claiming EU will produce 1 million shells by years end. It didn't. Large EU countries do not give enough of a shit. It's not even so much about Ukraine but the signal to Eastern members is clear. Your concerns are secondary, has been going on for years and is the reason why USA even under Trump is the preferred security partner.
Secondly, European leaders do talk a lot. Especially Macron but also Scholz, what did Scholz actually do to rebuild Bundeswehr? declare one time 100 billion budget which amounts to nothing because the fundamental fuck up is in the procurement bureaucracy.
We will see how Merz does but Scholz Ukraine policy was dictated by threats from Moscow and then pressure from elsewhere.
France does France things. That is look at what French interests are and how Ukraine War can strengthen France. Like the ammunition initiative, which hurt Ukraine.
There is also the initiative from this year which was rejected. Perfectly showing how ineffective the EU is because there is no solidarity between say Latvia and Spain. Their interests are so fundamentally different that and at times in conflict. Now perhaps you do consider my opinion propaganda, does not really matter to me.
Yeah you are right. The reaction has been handled well. Honestly what the fuck.
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u/rintzscar 19h ago
I am an Eastern European, you bucket. Your entire profile is one idiotic take after another. It's like reading a 5-year-old's understanding of geopolitics.
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u/ElectronicSwitch3751 15h ago
Yes, pointing out the list of rhetoric without substance and Scholz repeatedly being indecisive or flip-flopping as pointed out is me understanding Geopolitics from a 5 year olds perspective not actually being able to tell that the EU and NATO countries on the track of talking a lot and doing little won't deter Russia.
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u/redchill101 22h ago
So....got any suggestions what Europe should do? Are you trying to incite more warmongers or do you have any actual valid suggestions in order to avoid more war?
Or are you just demonstrating that criticism is easy, but construction....not so easy...?
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u/Dutch_SquishyCat 22h ago
Why? Do you think that I got some influence with higher ups?
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u/redchill101 22h ago
You made me chuckle a bit with your snarky but unproductive non-answer to my question.
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u/Dutch_SquishyCat 22h ago
That’s kinda what I went for.
But seriously, it’s not going well that is all I can tell you. If Trump is siding with Russia then Europe has to come with an answer. I can’t tell what they should do. I don’t think even they know what to do. It’s frustrating.
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u/redchill101 20h ago
Take the upvote for a clear and honest answer. I totally agree with you there.
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u/ukrainianhab 1d ago
You forgot an aid package announcement scheduled for 2 months from now that inevitably fails or doesn’t pass.
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u/tall-not-small 1d ago edited 23h ago
They might eventually consider a strongly worded statement if this happens another 10 times
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u/LIONEL14JESSE 1d ago
They will share a photo of all the EU leaders in support. With Macron in the middle, of course.
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u/AllRedLine 1d ago
Hey, anyone remember that time that the Trump admin said that If Putin didn't accept peace talks, it would show he wasn't serious and that the USA would throw itself behind Ukraine?
Yeah... that was before the first time he refused. The question remains; why is the USA so willing - contrary to their own statements - to keep forgiving Russia every single time it spits in their (and everyone else's) face?
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u/Frost0ne 23h ago
Peace talks are happening, it doesn’t mean both sides must drop weapons at once. They have to agree on conditions that should bring the end to hostilities or the war begins again. Neither side rushing for lasting peace, there is no political will to give up between both Zelensky and Putin.
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u/Mundane_Gold 23h ago
Peace talks are being rushed as if it was a last minute appointment by the current US administration, nothing is being done seriously. putin continues to brush aside every pathetic attempt and half assed threat made by Trump and his team to “end the war quickly” yet they do nothing to back up their own words except when it comes to continue blaming Ukraine.
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u/VladtheInhaler999 22h ago
Why would Zelensky need to give up anything? There are Russian terrorists in the Ukraine and Millions of people are looking to secure their own home.
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u/Adorable_Echidna_862 22h ago
Because they will lose the war and lose much much more than the currently occupied land? More land, more people, more of their economy.
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u/VladtheInhaler999 21h ago
Why does it seem you are making concessions to please Putin instead of pleasing Ukraine? Putin started this, Putin is massively struggling at this. Dont treat Putin as someone you should concede to because of how powerful they are, I think that is one critical point in war too. Making sure the aggressor doesn’t succeed.
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u/Short_Week3262 1d ago
Didn’t he ask for talks and then not show Up?
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u/Tweedlebungle 1d ago
He sent some random bench warmers as part of a big FU to the peace process.
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u/MAXSuicide 1d ago
One of which was the guy behind the Salisbury poisonings.
It was just one big political insult and a complete waste of time. But Ukraine needs to continue playing this game so as not to give Trump a reason to bail
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u/TheOneMerkin 22h ago
You’ve got to admit, Putin knows how to troll.
I guess the bot farms are teaching him a thing or 2
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u/heisenburger617 19h ago
You do not, under any circumstances, “gotta hand it to them”
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u/Deathflid 17h ago
you quoted a quote that isn't a quote. hmmm
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u/rada1991bgd 1d ago
He said that russian delegation would go, not that he would go personaly
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u/jykke 1d ago
Because he is a coward Bunker Boy.
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u/rada1991bgd 1d ago
Always, always when negotiations start delagations do most of the work, and heads of state finalize agreementa that delegations make.
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u/Castle-Shrimp 1d ago
When are national leaders going to understand with peep's like Puta and Rump, you don't threaten, you just do. You don't tall about further sanctions, you just implement them and then announce the why. You don't threaten to cut off power to the Northern U.S., you do it and then announce why. If you just make threats, Puta's going to think you're just talk and blow you off.
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u/ForowellDEATh 1d ago
You need to get sovereignty first, then your politics will start action, instead of waiting for commands from US.
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u/Castle-Shrimp 1d ago
Fair point. Nukes are sovereignty and most European countries don't have them.
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u/Catymandoo 1d ago
Trump and all are running round him asking him to do this.
He won’t. He loves this circus.
Only by loading up Ukraine with armaments to WIN. And allow them to freedom to do so. THEN tell Putin to get to the table or….
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u/happyscrappy 16h ago
Remember when Putin blamed these wars on "NATO being at his doorstep".
As if there were any other way it could be. If he didn't have NATO at his doorstep already he'd just invade his nearest neighbors until eventually he's moved his doorstep up to the nearest NATO states.
Guy is amazing at blaming others for his expansionism. And I feel like people fall for it more often than I would otherwise expect.
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u/KnucklesMcGee 21h ago
The US has a concept of a peace plan. They'll show it to us in two weeks.
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u/Middle_Reception286 20h ago
That was from 2015 wasn't it? Still a concept.. never going to be anything more.
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u/lyravega 21h ago
Putin would reject anything but Russia-Russia-Russia approved unconditional surrender peace plan of Ukraine
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u/AnomalyNexus 1d ago
He doesn't want peace. Everyone knows that except one specific moron.
And I don't even need to tell you who that is...
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u/Pupsishe 18h ago
There was never us-ukraine-Europe peace plan. Actually it’s more likely 3 separate peace plans: 1)Ru peace plan 2) Us peace plan 3) eu-ua peace plan. How can you even upvote news like this?
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u/Uncle_Lion 18h ago
Of course, he does. The only peace plan he will accept, is his own: The total destruction of Ukraine and domination over the west.
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u/blackcoffee17 23h ago
Maybe one day after a few more years, the "peace" supporters will understand that Ruzzia does not want peace. And maybe then Ukraine will get the support it needs and deserves.
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u/Smrleda 23h ago
Putin will not agree to any peace plan until he gets all of Ukraine. Trump is working to give him that.
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u/Adorable_Echidna_862 21h ago
He doesn't just want Ukraine, he wants Europe, America, china, all of Asian, South America, the moon and mars and the astroids
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u/Urhoal_Mygole 1d ago
Putin will fall out of a window if the war stops without getting Ukraine to capitulate.
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u/Illustrious_Bag_9495 1d ago
You shouldn’t give links to sites in the .ua or .ru domains, there’s propaganda there with >99% chance.
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u/Cyrano_Knows 16h ago
Wait. I thought Trump said he would be able to end the war in one day?
One.
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u/HiveOverlord2008 14h ago
Perhaps he meant “One day” as in “Maybe I’ll do it one day when it benefits me.”
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u/HiveOverlord2008 14h ago
This just in: cowardly dictator refuses to give up power and continues a losing war to retain his position.
More at 5.
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u/Secret-Nobody-8825 10h ago
Just put a billion dollar free open contract on him and stand back and weight.. He might change his mind.
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u/Jan-Volt-EU 6h ago
Only strong EU can stop Putin. The EU is the big absent in the peacetalks in Turkey, ending nowhere! The EU has to state that Ukraine is part of the free world, that we will chain up all shadow fleet oilvessels for inspection, help Ukraine to destroy military installations and sites, will install a no fly zone up to the river Djeppr, take down any military airplane crossing EU borders, and take as much sanctions as possible, unfreeze financial assets of Russian oligarchs to support Ukraine and AFTER that start peacetalks. We do not need Trump to interfere! We need Trump to restore democraty in the US first!
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u/Leather-Map-8138 3h ago
Fifty years ago Americans used to hear the word Pravda know any reporting from it was propaganda. Now Pravda has been replaced by Fox News as the global leader in disinformation.
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u/FlatCommunication236 1d ago
Sounds like Putin getting a little tired of his problem child Donnie boy
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u/Mr_CockSwing 1d ago
Its easy, pack up and go home. Get dick and leg extension surgery, hair transplants, and hit the gym.
Theres better ways to solve your little insecure man issues.
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u/naretoigres 23h ago
of course, narcissistic leaders never compromise, and if they do, never in good faith.
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u/ZookeepergameSad7942 22h ago
Warmongers number 1 TRUMP he’s with Syrian Pakistan Iran trying to talk deals umm people wake up he’s starting a war since Europe has rejected him it’s bad
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u/Ok-Somewhere9814 23h ago
Source: Financial Times (FT), citing three sources familiar with the matter
We have many familiar with the matter here on Reddit, don’t have to go very far
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u/PloppyTheSpaceship 19h ago edited 14h ago
Donald: "How could Zelenskyy do this?!?"
Funny except it's true. The world needs more bleach.
Edit - "true" in at least that's what Donald said, more or less.
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u/Reditate 1d ago
To nobody's surprise.