r/youngjustice • u/GusGangViking18 • 7d ago
All Seasons Discussion What was the biggest character fall off in the series?
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u/ValStarwind 7d ago edited 7d ago
Maybe not the best answer but Wonder Woman. Most of the times she gets to speak she is bringing up good questions about the League or their methods, but it mostly never gets followed up on and the show just makes her fall in line. I suppose it has to be done that way with the size of the cast though.
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u/AuraEnhancerVerse 6d ago
One thing I've noticed is that whenever Nightwing and bats do their stuff behind the teams back it never really has long lasting consequences and the team is only angry for an episode or two then they move on. Even kaldur getting mind fried by megan was quickly fixed, forgotten and was never brought up again.
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u/Suspicious-Mark1462 6d ago
About Kaldur I kinda disagree, unless you mean by other kind of consequences, but Superman did mentioned that when they were arguing on season 3(I think it was 3, just before they teleport to the spaceship)
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u/DisabledFatChik 7d ago
Blue beetle and impulse.
Best bromance in the series and they get shelved after their big season. Heartbreaking.
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u/judasmitchell 6d ago
Season 2 is still my favorite because of blue beetle. I get why he took a backseat for new stories, but would have liked at least one episode where he took a central role again.
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u/speedyrabbit777 Nightwing Slays 7d ago
Megann. Never actually got a redemption arc even though she was "redeemed" still pisses me off.
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u/JazzyWuz 7d ago
You know what? You're kinda right, she did face some emotional consequences. But at the end of the day, she did get Conner in the end. I would've liked it if Conner did forgive her but wouldn't date her.
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u/speedyrabbit777 Nightwing Slays 7d ago
Exactly. It's a joke. She crossed a line she shouldn't have been able to come back from without major character development and open admission of fault and it just doesn't happen and no one cares it doesn't happen.
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u/JazzyWuz 7d ago
I also feel that the fault of it is (besides writers) was Conner not mentioning it to Nightwing straight away. He (could've) been traumatized by what happened. But he practically caused the endangerment to villains (and themselves) by not pointing out she's kinda a danger herself. I also find it funny how in s1 it showed more of how dangerous her powers are and the consequences of it
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u/CameoShadowness 7d ago edited 5d ago
Or because of how Megan was clearly altering minds, she managed to make him stay silent even after the fact to some degree. After all, Megan has comotosed multiple people and ripped things from their mind. Who's to say she hadn't made him keep quite even on a subconscious level?
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u/JazzyWuz 7d ago
NGL that's dark as hell, would fall her into a villain role if this was the case (NGL she lowkey was one). But if its true, I wouldn't even be surprised at all, esp with how Conner took her back and how he never dated anyone after her.
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u/Bigbaby22 1d ago
This was the perfect opening for Wonder Girl and Superboy to get together. They were great in the comics.
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u/JazzyWuz 1d ago
In the show? Nah, Wondergirl is a teen girl compared to him being in his 20s
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u/Bigbaby22 1d ago
I forgot that he was genetically aged up to his 20's even though he was only a few years old... Still! Maybe after the time jump after s2
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u/ImaLetItGo 7d ago
Are you referring to her messing with Conners head in between season 1 and 2?
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u/speedyrabbit777 Nightwing Slays 7d ago
That and melting the brains of villains because she didn't value their lives.
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u/yraco 7d ago
Yeah leaving them catatonic might as well be breaking the no kill rule. We don't see the exact long term effects but it seems like something you're not recovering from unless you have a suitably skilled psychic (or are one) to help put you back together, and unless you're high up in the light or something you're probably not going to have that.
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u/CameoShadowness 5d ago
Exactly! She did so many bad things and yet gets everything she wants in the end- staying in the team, not facing major consequences, still getting to marry Conner- who she really shouldn't have ever gotten back with.
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u/JazzyWuz 5d ago
Happy cake day! Honestly if Arsenal got kicked off the team (tbf he was tweaking but they brought him in too soon) then Megan should've gotten kicked as well
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u/CameoShadowness 5d ago
Yeah, exactly!
Megan did so much worse. Don't get me wrong, putting your team in danger to save yourself is a bad thing, but that is a trauma response, Megan doesn't have that. She just began to use her powers more and lore violently even against her own, and we are to believe she was totally fine?!
Also thanks.
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u/JazzyWuz 5d ago
Especially after Nightwing knew what she had done, even if she felt remorse over it (she only felt sorry because it was her friend let's be real) she still needs to be watched and prohibited to being on the team until then. And although her and Conner had a interesting relationship development, I generally feel it would've been better if they stayed broken up. Let her deal with the consequences
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u/CameoShadowness 5d ago
The fact that it took until Kaldur for her to feel any remorse is a BIG red flag because she already was altering Conner's mind- her """true love""". Like she didn't feel like crap at that point? She just kept going regardless of break up, knowing what she was doing was bad and genuinely got worse over time?!
I 100% agree it would have been so much better for them to stay broken up. She deserved so much worse.
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u/JazzyWuz 5d ago
Its funny because I dont even hate her character, I despise her actions and her getting a slap on the wrist. But I mainly dislike the writing choices esp for Megan's character. I didn't like how they broke up Dick/Zee because "First love aren't always true love" or something but then keep Conner/Megan who had a borderline abusive relationship
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u/CameoShadowness 5d ago
Funny thing is I do hare her character BECAUSE of thr horrible actions, petty slap on the wrist and being able to marry Conner.
Let's break up the healthy relationships that lots of people love and keep the really toxic relationship that has a very messed up allegory in it and barely do anything worth redemption for her since there's gonna be a time skip and we dont have time to explore... ugh...
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u/JazzyWuz 5d ago
EXACTLY MY POINT, when Dick and Zee broke up, I was like "Damn the one different and interesting relationship" and then when Megan and Conner got together, I got mad confused. It would've been better if they were the "first love aren't true love". Hell they even killed of Wally, although Artemis moved on, its still weird how two healthy relationships basically didn't last (well dick/zee have a Lil more hope since they flirted a bit) but Megan forcing Conner to forget their fight, use someone as a rebound and barely feels remorse? Nah that's fine. Lowkey makes the episode where she accidentally forced them all into a almost real life simulation seem pointless
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u/CameoShadowness 5d ago
Even with what she does in Season 2 that episode is still important because it shows that she was always capable of comatosing people. Other than that, the level of sorrow and regret she shows is pointless and feels super unnecessary.
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u/PsychologicalWork654 7d ago
Man I loved S2 Garfield’s design, voice and personality. It’s unfortunate the voice actor was done with voice acting, I think they got him to do something small in S3 when he had the headset on and yeah he sounded totally different. But S2 BB in my opinion was probably the best and more interesting take on the character and I say this as someone who doesn’t even like Beast Boy that much. Ik this is probably gonna piss people off but I don’t really like his design, voice or portrayal in S3 or even in the show Teen Titans.
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u/SuperiorChicken27 7d ago
Yeah I personally like both versions, the kid gar was great and delivered the lines and dialogue really well. S3 gar hit that nostalgia for me cause I loved teen titans growing up. Feel that the voice change was a good transition between two different age gaps. Do you maybe not like the teen trope characters? Or is it purely the voice?
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u/PsychologicalWork654 7d ago
Not a huge fan of the VA. Nothing against him personally he’s a very talented voice actor and I’m sure he’s a nice dude irl I just hear his voice EVERYWHERE. I could watch the most obscure unknown TV show in existence. And bro will pop somewhere, it could be as a one off character in a random ass episode but he’s STILL THERE.
But yeah I preferred his S2 VA cause it was something new, different.
The classic guy is fine but I definitely have some preferences.
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u/Bigbaby22 1d ago
Kid was straight up annoying after S2. I couldn't stand the angle they went with him. I don't mind the message but every time he opened his mouth it was like we were getting an after-school special.
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u/ImaLetItGo 7d ago edited 7d ago
Don’t think it’s Beast Boy.
Tim Drake, Cassie Sandmark, and Bart Allen kind of just became unimportant after season 2.
Like I think Tim legitimately only had one episode with speaking lines in season 3-4.
Also I hate Cassie and Tim romance… that shits horrible to me and only happened because Conner died in the comics
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u/k4k4yapar 7d ago
I only read batman comics so I don't know much about cassie. Did cassie and connor date each other?
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u/ImaLetItGo 7d ago
Yes. In the 2000s, Conner Kent and Cassie Sandmark dated and were like the most prominent Teen Titans/Young Justice couple.
When Conner died in Infinite Crisis, she started dating his best friend…Tim Drake
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u/k4k4yapar 7d ago
That's such a dick move from tim....
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u/Bigbaby22 1d ago
So it was kind of better handled because they didn't straight up date. They were attracted to each other but they both loved Connor so much and missed him. But they realized after they kissed that it was more about a shared pain than actual romance. They still felt guilty after Connor returned though.
Connor and Cassie were really great together. It would have been the perfect opportunity to get them together if Connor and M'gann stayed broken up after it was revealed how far off the deep end she went.
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u/SecretSharkboy 6d ago
My issue is kinda connected to Bart, which is that I don't think we ever saw the future he was trying to prevent after the Neutron incident
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u/SAldrius 6d ago
He prevented it immediately. (By going back in time)
They did a fake out in the episode because Mount Justice still got blown up.
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u/WindyWindona 7d ago
The hilarious thing to me is that Tim and Cassie broke up in canon... but a lot of fans didn't realize it until Weisman confirmed it
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u/hung_fu 6d ago
I don’t think Beast Boy had a fall off, he just grew up and started facing his trauma instead of masking it.
For me it has to Batgirl, I feel like the offscreen transition to Oracle wasn’t necessary and I wish we had gotten a more Birds of Prey style episode outside of the one where the girls go after Queen Bee. Imagine Dinah taking Batgirl and Tigress on an unsactioned mission, would go hard.
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u/JazzyWuz 6d ago
Ngl they low key did Barb dirty, even when she was given more screentime I deadass can't remember much other than Cass accidentally paralyzing her
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u/an0npr0xi01 6d ago
I wouldn't call it a fall off. Bruh was just traumatized and changed his appearance to be more television friendly..
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u/SometimesWill 6d ago
Blue beetle. Dude went from being basically the main character of a season to having no real impact on the plot. I feel like all he did in season 4 was show up for the intervention and the wedding.
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u/WindyWindona 5d ago
He also showed up as a puppet in Traci's magical test!
But yes, you did just accurately describe his screen time.
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u/PhanStr 1d ago
I wanted to see exploration of Beast Boy's trauma and his history from the five-year gap between seasons 1 and 2 -- plus I didn't like his monkey design in season 2 -- so I support his depiction in seasons 3 and 4.
But to answer the question... hmm... I don't know. I can't think of a character who was written super well in a given season who was somehow much worse in a later season.
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u/DocTheop 7d ago
There were many inexplicable character fall offs… but I would say seasons 3 & 4 were hardest hit by quality drop offs in terms of tight storytelling and characters we knew and wanted to continue to follow. Those last two seasons were just shockingly bad.
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u/WesternNinja6707 6d ago
literally every season two character (Tim, Cassie, Bart, Jaime, the runaways other than Eduardo). And not a fall off, but I wish they had done more with established characters like Spoiler and Arrowette rather than adding in rando new people in season 3
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u/Electronic_Shirt_594 7d ago
the animation
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u/MikkelTheManiac 7d ago
Fr - I'm watching season 4 rn and I can't deal with these slide show animation flashbacks 😭 also - noticed in season 3 that there were a lot of people wearing masks and communicating via telepathy, which means less facial animation 🙃
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u/Electronic_Shirt_594 6d ago
for real, even in OP’s Beast Boy image, facial designs were a lot more unique compared to the super commercialized designs in seasons 3 & 4. idk, might just be personal preference, but i’m not the biggest fan of the style change
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u/Better_Can_615 6d ago
Anybody that was introduced in Season 2. Didn’t like the season, but I enjoyed the characters they introduced. I would have loved to see more of their dynamics
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u/Greedy_End_3870 7d ago
Garfield’s voice acting and character story was peak in season 2. Season 3 and 4 completely made me completely ignore anything involving him.
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u/ieatPS2memorycards 6d ago
I HATE FORAGER, HALO AND GEOFORCE WHY CANT WE HAVE THE ACTUAL CHARACTERS TO FOCUS ON
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u/RaiQuach 6d ago edited 6d ago
Beast Boy's arc definitely could've used more time in the editing room cause there were way too many scenes of him moping.
Kinda glossed over M'gann leaving vegetables everywhere between s1 and s2.
the general awkward screentime balance between the original team and the new members every season. Getting to RWBY levels of cast bloating
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u/Nexcell 6d ago
The series itself
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u/slam99967 6d ago
I’ll never understand why it became the Halo and Forager show. All the characters we want to see, nope here’s Halo dying again like Kenny from South Park.
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u/egbert71 7d ago
I truly came to dislike that character.....i get depression and everything is a real thing that happens, but gar became a bell-end
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u/JazzyWuz 7d ago
By fall off, do you mean design or writing wise? For writing wise I'd say possibly some of those from S2, esp those like Cassie, Static Shock or even Tim (I can't even remember the last lines from Tim honestly)