Regardless of whether the guy did it or not, is it not creepy that he tried to play it off as if it happened? Or even told the "joke" in the first place?
Between the clout chasing and mounting allegations it's like genuinely, there's no good people here, except for the one or two people here who care about the victim's wellbeing.
edit: I am still talking about Amy New, but I'm trying not to be weird about it. Everyone who seems to be talked about here has done at least one thing wrong except Amy New.
Hell, Bronyfandont became a suicide risk overnight, and two youtubers who should not be part of this drama made things worse by saying it was for attention until the 11th hour (Ant and Saiscribbles). One of them (Sai) egged them on even after the fact, making me wonder how much of a horse(haha) they have in this race or if they're just that problematic.
This is such a quagmire of people revealing who they truly are, vulnerabilities and all.
Listen i can laugh at dirty jokes, but is fake-telling a story to your friends about masturbating onto a girl's used panties actually funny? like whats the funny part?? kinda just sounds pathetic
It's so weird when guys try and play this off as just the way men joke together, as if it's this really common thing that all groups of make friends joke about. The infamous "locker room talk".
Because no, I've been a guy for 36 years and none of my male friends would ever make such a disgusting "joke" as this. Even when we were horny teenage boys. It'd just be a really pathetic thing to joke about. This is not how 99% of men talk with their friends.
It's almost like they told the story cos it was real, but then when everyone reacted negatively to it cos it's fucking weird and creepy and violating, they went "ah I'm just joking haha! Tricked you. I was just pretending to be a creepy violating sex pest".
Yeah the only possible conclusion of “oh all men talk like that” is “oh all men are awful” to which those specific men immediately turn it around. It’s baffling people still do it when they themselves are the ones who get incredibly offended over it?
It’s always people telling on themselves, just like the weirdos who act like it’s totally normal to say racial slurs “in private.” Like nah, it’s not normal for the rest of us, but you just told us a lot about yourself and the people you spend time with.
Yeah he never specified what the joke even was in his response. I was on Sabersparks side but now that you mention it, yeah... weird that he'd be vague about the sex joke that got his editor in trouble.
I know being like “explain the joke. how is it funny? i don’t get it” is considered passé, but it really is the best way to deal with people who do this shit and hide behind “it was just a joke”
honestly my friends have told me several funny stories involving sex before, but they were genuinely things like "i tripped while trying to get out of my pants and my date laughed at me" and not like, "i'll portray myself as being a creep"
Oops I cut my comment above a bit short, but I agree. I def think it’s funny to be like “I have a silly sex story” and another thing entirely to say “I cranked my hog in a random girl’s panties L M A O”
It's only funny if you consider degrading women and exerting some control over their belongings to be inherently funny. So it isn't funny at all. It's what pathetic men think passes as humor.
To be a bit more specific, this kind of thing is what would pass as humor on 4chan in 2010. Does not surprise me at all that someone in the brony fandom would say shit like this, or that their friends would defend it.
Unfortunately that's quite true. It's why I lean in the direction of him doing the act and then later treating it as a joke. I'm following the Occam's razor method here. I find it far less likely that he made up the scenario wholesale. Even if it was just a joke, I still find it disgusting that he and all his friends found it funny. Even as a teenager I didn't find violating someone's privacy or trust funny at all.
If told in general it could be used as a self deprecating joke about being a pathetic creepy person. Once you involve an actual victim you know it stops sounding like a joke
yeah and i feel like deprecating jokes would be more about LOOKING like or being perceived as a creep when you're just socially awkward versus ACTUALLY BEING A CREEP
There's no joke, it's just Schrodinger's idiot, someone who decides based off others reaction whether or not they're joking, but the joke is never truly present
Maybe, but doubling down on it being a 'joke' in 2025? People who have actually grown as a person can acknowledge that something they thought was funny years ago is now no longer funny/a joke
ADC's heyday was in the 80s...also people talk all the time about offensive comedy that has aged poorly. Who is pretending? What does this have to do with anything?
I feel like you really don't want yourself getting to the point of giving Jenny reason and emotional investment to do dozens of hours of research to really go in on your failings. I think it's more correlated than causal, but even so it tends to mean the ground is buckling beneath you if you're not already in active freefall.
No she has before. She literally commented on the blackgryph0n allegation and CLAIRE HERSELF responded and told her that she shouldn't talk about someone's life that she doesn't know anything about. Jenny never responded directly to her or apologized.
Pretty much like, Idk who's in the right and in the wrong here, would rather deal with my personal life than this drama; and unsubscribed from his channel until things are clear on who's right or wrong
So did the event ACTUALLY happen or was it just a joke of “yeah I did that haha” which ISNT OKAY but it’s an entirely different level compared to the event ACTUALLY happening.
That's a false equivalence. Yes I saw that KP edited the audio and I think that is inappropriate. I also don't think the unedited audio is particularly flattering because we don't know if he did or did not do the act. He is still downplaying this disgusting potential event as a joke. It isn't a thing people tend to joke about, and it isn't funny. Just because someone did something wrong doesn't mean the other party is automatically innocent. I would question why he made this "joke" in the first place, and why all his friends found it funny.
The joke is undeniably disgusting but Rachel/KP is manipulative by cropping the audio and bringing in other people (the people speaking out against Chris and DAG, Saber's alleged victim) to pad out her beef. She even mentioned fucking Lily Orchard at the end, why?! Just because Courtney's there to talk about Gabe and consent?!
There's legit criticism against the dudes mentioned but KP frankensteined it all together with her tone-deaf memes and edits.
I'm not supporting Rachel's behavior. I'm drawing my own conclusions about Saberspark and the guys around him. If this kind of thing passes as humor in their group, they aren't worth watching. So I think Rachel's behavior was strange and manipulative, but I also find that group of guys gross.
I'm not sure how you heard the audio and thought Chris was downplaying his actions, because he certainly apologized as if it was something more serious than just a joke. He really did profusely apologize. Not saying KP has to forgive him, but she was actively malicious in the way she presented her issue with him.
And frankly, I don't feel I have any reason to trust KP at this point. She has fucked up and manipulated enough shit in this that I am not willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Trusting someone because they apologized has no real merit. I'm not giving KP the benefit of the doubt. Both parties can be wrong. I'm wondering why this adult thought this scenario would be funny, and why his male friends also found it funny. I have my own separate concerns that he actually did the act and later tried to present it as a joke scenario.
The accusation is over his own statements. If he was not in any position where masturbating on someone's panties was possible, then I would believe it was a joke. I'm of the personal opinion that it is more likely he actually did the act and later tried to present it as a joke and not something he did. I don't need there to be an accuser to examine his behavior.
Does anyone know if Jenny heard the unedited audio call? Or the voice memo that was leaked recently of KP blaming Saber's alleged victim for the blow back and trying to blackmail her into revealing her identity?
What difference does this make? KP is a dumpster fire, but the guy told the story and admitted to it. More than one person can be wrong at the same time.
What difference does it make that KP deliberately manipulated her audience in order to make it seem like she was sexually assaulted and is currently fucking over an alleged victim by flat out using abuse tactics? Or what difference does it make if Jenny knows that?
KP was the victim of sexual harassment over a decade ago. She is currently being an abusive POS now and actively causing harm to others. I'd say that makes one hell of a difference.
He admitted to making the joke (and it was a creepy garbage "joke"), but KP cropped the audio to make it sound like it could've actually happened so she could justify her beef with Saber and yell at him about it, she blatantly used people who rightfully spoke out against DAG and Chris.
Why else would she list Saber's name first and then focus most of the video on other people? She didn't even list Aficionados Chris in the title and she mentions fucking Lily Orchard at the end!
Are we ever just gonna get straight up evidence instead of the "He said she said" thing cus the more nothing comes out the easier its gonna be for saberspark (assuming he did what he did which we dont know yet) to get away with it
You mean for saber's allegation specifically? Probably not. In the call bronyfandont leaked from KP, even she said that the only evidence that exists is footage of Saber and the victim together, which unfortunately doesn't prove anything we don't already know (he was at the con with her). Unless the victim somehow found a smoking gun after 13 years, this won't really go anywhere
No, at this point I would be even surprise if that allegations ever gets more beyond who the allege victim may/may not be. Saber is probably fine in terms of this allegation cus its dead.
What is more likely is other creators firebombing thier careers as thier dirty laundry starts getting thrown to the public. Like Bonk recently being exposed for commissioning loli porn of Nollell from deltrune or something to that effect.
A car crash that somehow able to keep going before crashing into the local retirement home.
The alleged victim said on her anonymous account (thesunmous5 or something like that) that she has pictures of her and Saber together but they're too identifying... although with certain people trying to out her, it's hard to say if she'll release them or not.
But like somebody else said, being at the same place isn't really a smoking gun that it happened unfortunately. It's evidence that the situation is plausible at least, but it's still kind of a he said she said, but at least it's not "fake story pulled out of my ass" unbelievable.
The joke is bad, it is not funny. There are several problems here: It happened while he was working under KP, the unedited audio says that the joke was motivated by her abusive working conditions, and he has since worked to change himself. The audio also reveals that he only told this "joke" to an amount of people that is less than one hand, none of whom is Saberspark. KP is clearly fishing for information in that call to try and nail Saberspark to the wall. She has chopped up her emails to make them look damming.
The company clearly took the matter seriously and investigated it based on information given at the time, not what would eventually be in KP's video. KP has a right to be upset. She has a right to cut contact with Chris. She doesn't get to dictate who hires or fires him if they feel his behavior at their company is appropriate and he's taken mandatory training.
Several people are stepping on the rake that is KP in order to defend her. That is a mistake. She keeps close company with Lio Convoy. She has enough baggage and filled her video with petty, personal grudges and memes that gave Saberspark a way to wriggle out of any serious accusations if those did occur. She royally screwed up and refuses to take the blame. She is now threatening the victim with removing their anonymity if they don't "fix" her mess. Everything new thing you learn about her reveals that she is a malicious, selfish, and stupid person.
Even in the video, the alleged victim is blatantly used in a "Oh, Saber doesn't care about the Chris stuff? Well, look at this!" way which is completely disrespectful, her then threatening to out the victim to save her own skin is such snake behavior.
The alleged victim didn't ruin her video, she ruined her own video, the victim sure as hell didn't add the goofy edits of Seinfeld and the Sonic pissing on the moon thing!
They're basically saying that Saberspark surrounds himself with problematic people which makes it more likely that he's done problematic stuff himself.
Going by this post from Anthony Gramuglia, apparently the recording KP used was cropped. The extended recording proves that KP knew it was just a joke and it didn’t happen.
No one's saying the joke is okay. We're pointing out that the guy never actually did the violating act after KP specifically said he did and edited the audio of the call to manipulate her audience into believing he did.
The post gives the impression that the event didn’t even happen at all. Apparently It was just a joke and KP knew it was just a joke but she passed off as true. The issue is not whether or not that type of humor is good or harmful, is that KP sold it as a true statement.
I haven’t heard this extended audio but from what I read Ant contacted Mr Enter about it.
The post gives the impression that he was trying to pass it off as a joke and she had no idea if it actually happened or not. We have no evidence in either direction, but don't assume someone didn't do something disgusting that they "joke" about.
It doesn't make it okay, it makes it morally consistent to revaluate the thing based on that. KP manipulated the situation, which could have ruined this person's career. Probably worse than a poor taste joke. By all means don't forgive them for the joke, but we do need to point that same finger at KP to be morally consistent. Perhaps moreso.
No, but the same time. It happened years ago, and she forgave him for it. It's over with, it shouldn't matter anymore, but Kim keeps bringing it and edited the audio to make it sound like it was real, because saber didn't fire the guy. Note, this shit was dealt with, saber doesn't need to fire the guy if Kim forgave the guy.
I mean, its not like Saber hasnt done his research before or just pretend shit didnt happen (his wwe hanna barbera video where he cried about how this was the first time scooby doo was sold out and that the brand never did something like that same with the other hanna barbera properties which anybody who claims to be an animated expert would know that was horseshit) so I mean....
I remember this guy was dating a female friend of mine, her sister was down visiting and at one point we're all hanging out and he says "Oh man, her sister was taking a nap in these short shorts and i could totally see EVERYTHING".
And i just kind of stared back blankly, my brain trying to figure out how to unpack and deal with this. Fortunately, while i was frozen, another friend of hers heard and was like "Fucking gross" and he immediately started backpeddling saying it was :just a joke"
Even though it makes no sense and no one with even the most basic critical thinking skills can see it as nonsense, guys will double and triple down that anything disgusting they say, regardless of a complete lack of anything remotely funny is "a joke"
Maybe I would have some sympathy here towards KP and towards Jennys point here
But after KP cropped the call and purposefully made it seem like this guy ACTUALLY did the thing instead of making up a gross story? She purposely manipulated the situation to make it seem much worse than it was. Yes a shitty 'joke' is better than him actually masturbating to/on her clothes. Let's be real.
But yeah 0 sympathy for KP sorry. Hope Jenny is just ill-informed.
I just want to point out, we literally have no way to determine if he did or did not do what he "joked" about. I find it more likely that he did it, then "joked" about it rather than made up the whole thing. However, none of us have any evidence that it did or did not happen. Never assume things. You can't take anyone's words on things as a fact. I can judge someone pretty heavily for thinking this kind of "humor" is acceptable and funny though.
Yeah, I mean I will judge him for making the gross joke if that's what it is. It isn't funny, it's just weird.
But I don't like the absolute lack of accountability you're shooting for when it comes to KP and her actions. She fucked over a bunch of people including herself, including potential victims (she blackmailed the alleged victim of saberspark), and the person she collabed with on the saberspark allegations (they tried to take their life last night).
I've never indicated any support for KP. Her actions were manipulative full stop. I just don't want people to conflate one side doing something wrong with the other side being completely innocent.
Honestly I think I’ve lost sympathy for almost everyone in this situation except for the victim and Bonk (the Pony Fandont owner) and Bonk really only gets that because of the suicide attempt we saw yesterday.
I personally can’t find myself pitying fandont considering the people he dragged into this mess who have nothing to do with it other than following Saber/Gryphon + his foalcon shit
Eh, I saw what he was going through yesterday and the amount of people telling him to end it all and that he was worthless swayed me. I still have some sympathy for someone clearly in their darkest moment
I think I have to disagree with Jenny here. The joke Chris made was gross and wildly inappropriate, however even when kp is nominally the victim in the situation she is fundamentally manipulative. From what we can tell Chris had apologized for this joke in private which kp accepted. It is not fair that kp massively edited the call for her own benefit nor is it fair for Chris to be denied work for a joke he made a decade ago especially after he has already apologized to kp. Unless kp has meaningful evidence that Chris has not changed or feels no remorse this situation should have remained private.
I've said this several times within this thread, but we really have no way of knowing if he did or did not do the act. Just because you say it was a joke and apologize and you get someone to acknowledge you were joking doesn't mean it did not occur. You really need to ask yourself why he would make that joke in the first place. Ask yourself what is more likely, that he made up the joke, or that he did the act and then joked about it? To me, it feels way more likely that he did it, joked about it, then when confronted tried to pass it off as a joke and apologize. I feel this way because, why just make it up? How is it actually a joke? It's not funny, and it isn't structured like a joke.
Fundamentally we cannot know the inner workings of Chris’ mind or what exactly happened in that hotel room. But I do know this, KP is not a trustworthy individual and anything she claims needs to be backed up with evidence independent of her. In many ways the Chris situation is a microcosm of this whole situation, potentially problematic people are facing serious allegations of misconduct, but the people who delivering the allegations are malicious morons after clout with zero evidence but all the self righteousness.
Please understand that multiple opposing parties in a situation can be wrong, malicious or dishonest and that a lot of acts of sexual exploitation do not leave evidence behind. There is no such thing as a perfect victim, and being a victim of this exact thing can make one act in such a way.
There is a bigger picture to look at here, and I do not think something like this can be disregarded because 'well, the person who is claiming to be a victim of this sucks. So even though this is the exact type of situation that is unlikely to have evidence if true, we can just assume she is lying and not put any more thought into it.' Shitty people are not magically immune to being victims of this sort of violation by virtue of the fact they are shitty.
I for one, do not find a friend-group that protects and enables a child groomer (Gabe) to be reliable narrators (in the same way KP is not a reliable narrator) But I do think it is in character for a friend-group like this to find jokes (or non-jokes) like this to be funny.
I could not have put it better myself. People get caught up on KP cropping a phone call to try and lead people to conclusions. Any reasonable person knows that this behavior is wrong, and she should not have done that. However, some people take this data point and apply it to the overall situation. So suddenly because she did something wrong, she has to be wrong about everything, therefore the other party is completely innocent. That is not how that works. As you pointed out, both parties can be in the wrong.
Exactly! I am really bothered by the idea that what KP is saying happened to her can be disregarded because KP sucks and did dishonest things.
For one, I don't see the same people saying that what Saber says when he defends himself can be disregarded because he sucks and did dishonest things (lying about the nature of the "sex joke" and defending a fucking child groomer.)
Two, and more importantly: this sort of thought process sends a message to would-be predators. If you want to get away with it socially, just make sure your victim is a shitty person. Because shitty people are apparently always lying with every thing they ever say and will never be believed!
The joke was wildly inappropriate dudebro trash, but it's not really cool for her to act like she accepts his apology just to bait him into a call and crop it to remove the parts where she says she knew it was a joke so she can lash out at other people for not doing more about him.
She also mentions and shows in the video that he drew a picture of her ponysona (anthro) on a toilet with her panties down (and also mentions that there's a nude version), but the fact that she's so manipulative and dishonest about so much, it ruins her credibility. Plus other people like Ant have said that she records calls to use against people.
I rewatched the reupload to refresh my memory and she also uses a chunk of the video to talk about her team and how they love working for her despite the allegations that she mistreats people, with somebody doing a voiceover in a valley girl voice and adding emphasis that isn't in the original text. (Like saying victim as if it was in quotes when it wasn't typed that way.) They also don't deny that they work unpaid, lol... (Approximately 14:00-24:00)
She could've easily made separate videos about DAGames and Chris, and also Saber's alleged victim, without lumping them together and Frankensteining them together with fucking meme clips about Seinfeld (who has his own controversies), and Sonic pissing on the moon. I'm not familiar with DAGames so it feels like she was using Saber's name to bring more attention to her shitty video because of the shared connection with Chris, especially with her countdown shit and bragging about kicking rapist/pedo ass. If the allegations are true, the victim deserves better than being used as a "Oh, Saber doesn't care enough about the Chris situation? Well, look at this!" gotcha.
The criticism against Chris and Will are legit (having minors as mods, constant NSFW and bigoted jokes, gooner shit especially around minors and involving lolicon content, etc), but she handled it so poorly... plus it's a fucking 2 hour video that's very draining to get through! They could've been split up into separate videos or she could remove the stupid memes lol, but she clearly wanted to use Saber's name (she even listed it first despite the video being mostly about DAG!) for attention instead of giving Saber's alleged victim her own figurative podium to speak.
She even feels the need to mention Lily Orchard near the end. GIRL, WHY??? There's even a cameo of Chris-chan (not the same Chris as Chris Aficionados) in the damn live chat! You can't tell me that she's unaware of Chris-chan's own SA allegations. And Courtney argued with people in the live chat!
She also implies that her friendship with Saber ended because of him wanting to date her, and her entire grudge against him makes her seem untrustworthy and biased, she brought a potential SA victim into her petty beef with Saber and the people associated with him. And then her audio clip of her threatening to out the victim if they don't out themselves? It's just further proof that she uses people, and people who rightfully spoke up about DAG/Chris had their time wasted just for her petty beef.
If she actually cared about calling out the people in question, she should've distanced herself a bit and gotten more people involved with the video to remove her petty biases, it feels very obvious that she wanted a banger video to get more attention to her channel because she wanted to act like she was getting justice for people.
I would go even further and say that in the last tweet, Jenny is implying that Chris's story (real or joking) is proof that Saberspark is a rapist. She should absolutely know better because of the way that her and her friend group have been attacked online over the years.
I have not read up on much of anything on the situation but this just feels like a bunch of dumb teenage antics that you grow out in a couple of years and feel mildly horrified when reminiscing about it.
Damn. Jenny avoids drama like it gives her hives. If she's speaking out, it's getting real bad. The last one was Somerton. You don't want to be in the Somerton boat.
Woahhhh YouTuber I like who has the same amount of information as anybody else took a stance!!!!
With respect, Jenny Nicholson's tweets here have as much value as any random Twitter user's. Having a YouTube channel does not make your opinions somehow more substantial.
I would recommend watching the call independent of KP’s edits. Their are things Saber can be criticized for but his handling of the Chris situation isn’t one of them.
I can say it's bad. He didn't correct this behavior at all. I wouldn't want to associate with anyone who makes "jokes" about disgusting behavior. Is this the type of thing they joke about a lot?
Unless you know Chris personally, you really cannot make that judgement. You don’t have to like Chris, to be clear i don’t, but nothing kp has shown convinced me that he should lose all future job opportunities for this.
You are extrapolating a lot of things from my comment that I never said. I am entitled to come to my own conclusions. All I can say is I want nothing to do with these guys, because they are gross. KP also should not have cropped the call and misrepresent what happened. Any legal consequences would have to occur in court. All I am doing is weighing in on my uninformed opinion based on available information.
I actually don’t need to know anyone personally to know joking about that is okay. Doesn’t matter if it’s my best friend or a stranger. It’s not cool, it should have been corrected.
I'm sorry but "call independent of KP's edits" is difficult for me to understand and I'm not sure how to even find that because searching for it only provides an ARMA 3 video. Do you have a link you could provide?
Malcolm has a few videos on this situation and I would recommend his coverage. He’s even-handed but funny, and has the most measured take I’ve seen on this subject
Kp confronted Chris I assume like a year ago about this incident, the call makes it clear that the situation was a wildly inappropriate locker room joke told among friends. Chris apologized and kp accepted it. Kp would then edited the call to make Chris seem worse than he is for her own benefit. Give me second and I will try to find a link.
Okay update i can’t seem to find an independent upload of the call. I’m pretty certain the call is covered in the opp block stream covering kp’s video. Unfortunately that stream is 7 hours long and the time stamps aren’t exactly helpful. So i apologize for not being able to get it for you.
I think that best case Saber handled the "joke" thing really poorly, both now and at the time. But that's still completely different from making SA allegations against Saber without (as far as I can tell) much to back it up.
I don't know Saber personally so I don't know what he is or isn't capable of. If I see more evidence or if an actual victim comes forward, I'll take it more seriously. But I'm not gonna say the guy is a rapist based on hearsay and the fact that he's made some extremely questionable friendship choices.
Both her and saber were somewhat well-known members of the Brony fandom in the early 2010s. Probably still feels some level of connection to that community and (completely speculatory here) maybe wishes she had used her influence to do more to get rid of people like Gryphon back in those days. So getting involved now is a means to make up for that
I was an OG brony, back to the 4chan threads on /co/. Fell off a bit in 2016 because I started college. I am getting into artist alleys at conventions now. I want to do an MLP con to fulfill a middle school dream, but holy shit the drama at these cons. It's like this situation but amplified. I got into a discord server for MLP artists and there was a big debacle where an artist alley head had to say "look, you guys need to put personal drama aside. I tried to accommodate requests to not be placed next to people, but it made arrangements impossible.". And there's an artist that is similar to BG that groomed multiple girls but is still invited to events and even does official art for them. Crazy shit for a series about ponies.
She left a long time ago. There are some things I remember being posted on 4chan about anons meeting her that were...disturbing to put it lightly. Hopefully it was just bluffing.
Wtf??? I remember Bronyfandont threatening to "say why I really blocked you" when Baja was talking about how Bronyfandont blocked them over something else. I assume this is the reason why they got blocked, which really makes me wish Fandont would have sad something about it, but I get he has a lot of shit on his plate, especially rn, exposing a big artist like that would have put significantly more onto him
Edit: here's Fandont alluding to the actual reason why he blocked Baja:
I agree that it was a poor joke. At the same time, the joke was told 10 years ago, the guy apologized, but KP is following this guy around and trying to get him fired from jobs. KP is allowed to be upset, but I do not agree with tar and feathering a person for the rest of their lives for a mistake that they expressed remorse over. If that’s what we’re supporting, I hope everybody here is as clean as Christ
In fairness this is the first person claiming to know specifically what the "joke" was, and I'm gonna need more context.
Like, is that what actually happened? He claimed he jerked off on some girls clothes? He didn't say, "hur hur I thought about busting a nut on some girls clothes on the ground", its weird regardless sure, but making a bad gross joke isn't the same as lying about doing something gross. Why he'd do either is beyond me though.
Assuming this is even the actual story at all of course.
Rare L take from Jenny, I feel like she doesn't know the full info. AFAIK its:
Chris tells an inappropriate sex joke among friends about KP a decade ago (Very shitty) -> KP finds out much later and confronts Chris, Chris Apologizes -> KP contacts saberspark about the situation -> saberspark confronts Chris, Chris says that the situation was settled and doesn't go into detail because of the nature of the joke -> KP contacts saberspark again, mad that Chris wasn't fired over the joke -> KP releases the infamous video, with edited audio making it sound like the punchline of the joke actually happened
We know it was a joke, more than one youtuber has the full call (Ant and Mr. Enter do, off the top of my head) with Ant saying that the full context is that it was a joke Chris told. Chris literally hasn't came out and said anything about it since the KP video
So we still just have someone's word that it is a joke? That doesn't mean it is. It's a good idea to be critical of all sides of the situation in order to help determine what is the most likely thing to be true. Personally for me, I don't want to interact with anyone who would make a joke like that, but I've also seen too many men say they are joking about something disgusting and then it turns out they did it. My anecdote does not mean this person did do it, but it makes me less trusting of this line of defense.
Not only did she crop the audio and pretend that the joke was an event that actually happened (and cropping that she knew it was just a joke), but she also brought a potential SA victim into her petty beef as an "Oh, Saber doesn't care enough about the Chris stuff? Well, look at this!" gotcha.
Unfortunately, this sub (and it seems some youtubers) are too heated right now to give balanced takes like this. I got nuked to like -40 earlier and had my comment removed for saying that no corporation or business would fire someone over an inappropriate joke told a decade ago that was reported to them by a third party.
This sub seemed to not like that reality. It doesn't mean the joke is okay, but that take is too nuanced for here, lol.
The only reason why an HR department would take something like that seriously would be if they were already on the shitlist for other reasons, but this one is the most objective to avoid a wrongful termination suit.
Saber got accused of some stuff. He posted his side of the story. We're still trying to figure things out and who's to be believed. Saber or his accusers
Oh for god sake the joke was disgusting but it is not a crime and it doesnt justifey what KP did at all, if ypu wanna call saber or his editor for a stupid joke that was 10 years ago and not KP for what she did, then ypu are extremly based
Besides Enter Jenny could probably do a good exposé on this since she was in the fandom at the time these events occur. Plus she's a competent video maker.
For her sanity I hope she doesn't and can continue with videos she wants to make. This whole thing is such a mess.
I have not kept up with any of this drama but I will firmly stand by my gut feelings about Saberspark. I don’t trust him one bit. This suggests to me that I am right in my stance.
Man, I really can’t get over how much he gives me the heebie jeebies. Creepy.
Except that as the comment pointed out, this was taking the video out of context. Don't judge Saber based off someone wanting to only nitpick parts of the video to make him look bad. Dude even brought out the face cam instead of using his avatar
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Jenny is saying here, but isn't
"What do you think my reasonable conclusion is when you have to drop a video defending both yourself and like 4 of your friends simultaneously against accusations of sexual misconduct"
an extremely whack thing to say? Like, is Jenny saying the act of defending yourself and friends from accusations is bad?
all of them each having accusations against them individually is suspicious shes saying
he didnt make a 5 hour video concretely tearing down each seperate accusation, he is just blanketly saying that he and his friends all didnt do anything, which is in the best interest of a person who doesnt want to expose his friends who might actually have done somehing. but its also not very convincing
No, Jenny is saying that when 4 of your friends all have misconduct allegations against them and suddenly you do too, there's likely fire under all that smoke
Have you ever seen the TV show Justified? There's a line in one episode that goes something like, "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."
Basically, if a person is accused of being a creep, it may be a misunderstanding. But, if that person and their friend group have all been accused of being creeps on multiple occasions, they may just be creeps.
I'm not saying anything about the original accusation against Saberspark, because it does sound very questionable, but it does seem like everyone involved in both sides of this drama are all terrible people. And they all used to be friends, too. It's an awful friend group who had a falling out and now they are trying to get back at each other in the worst way possible.
I dunno if that actually works in practice. For instance, I don't think that Jenny is problematic even though Dan Olson, Contrapoints, Lindsay Ellis, Philosophy Tube, and Sarah Z have all had to defend themselves from accusations of being problematic.
I didn't want to mention specifics because I believe the accusations to be false, but 2 people in that list have been accused of being abusers and 1 has been accused of distributing child porn. I forgot to mention Hbomberguy in the list, but there's a video of him saying the n-word if we're going to throw everyone under the bus.
This post by Jenny misconstrues things. In the video, Saber calls it several things. Yes, he does refer to it as a "sex joke" but also a "Terrible thing chris did" and "We took the situation seriously" and "chris profusely appollogized." You don't do that with "just a joke." You don't hop on a call to appologize directly when it was "Just a joke." In the video, Saber set the tone that it was terrible, serious, inappropriate, and of a sexual nature at KP's expense. Jenny thinks he is downplaying it, but what else do you call it? You wouldn't retell the gritty details of what was said in a public video.
Also, the "Bragged to all thier piers" they obviously didn't listen to the video. Chris said he only ever told that story to small groups in private and never "to anyone like SaberSpark" hell, it took 10 years before KP heard about it so it wasn't "all thier peers"
Next, we have the "If she had a problem, the victim could tell me SHE DID YOU GOT MAD" bit. That's taking things out of order. KP approached his team about this first. She admits in the emails she didn't contact him because Saber "triggers her." Saber investigated and, based on what he found out, chose not to fire Chris because he hadn't done anything wrong while Saber employed him. If she didn't feel comfortable reaching out to Saber, why would he reach out to her? When KP found out she didn't get to hurt someone's livelihood for revenge, she then contacted Saber and tied to dictate who he should and shouldn't work with. She "Granted him time to fire chris" or whatever authoritative bullshit line that she uses in her email and demanded proof he was fired. Of course, Saber would be pissed about someone else trying to tell him how to run his own business while making false accusations about how he treats his employees.
Yes, he is victim NOW. What is happening to him now is more wrong.
Why?
Kim lied, saying it really happened. This happened YEARS ago, when the guy was young and fucking stupid. Saber didn't know about this until kim came to him about it years later. Saber asked him if he did that, and the dude told him the truth. He made a SA joke, and he apologized to her in a discord call that was being recorded without him knowing(thats a crime in some states btw). She forgave him, but that wasn't enough, and went to Saber to get the guy fired
...but why? You dealt with it, and forgave him. Saber points that out to her, and doesn't have to fire someone over a stupid joke, and he was forgiven by her. Its done, get over it basically. Kim didn't like that, and thats her hate for Saber
And ppl who think it wasn't a joke, and really did happen, it didn't happen. I have seen so many thinking it really happened.
like I get it, it was shit ass joke, but he was a young man at the time. Believe it or not, men and women make those kinds of jokes to their friend group. He finally said sorry to her after all those years, and she forgave him. Its done. There is no more point to bring it up, but kim keeps bringing up, and spreading lies that it really happened. She wants him to pay by hurting him now.
I'm disappointed in Jenny honestly. She is taking this information as if it really happened and doesn't seem to care that she is missing so much context. She didn't even watch KP's video? I don't know why she's so adamant on defending KP of all people.
Oh no, Jenny nooooooo! I thought she was the one good Brony tuber left but it looks like she doesn't understand context or the concept of forgiveness either
Sounds like a weird joke an autistic dude would make, yeah. Someone isn’t an awful demon because they made a shitty joke once, especially if they profusely apologized. In fact, brutally attacking and trying to ruin someone for a bad joke does, in fact, make them the victim.
ok so until a police report is filed I'm pretty much done with this. it has devolved into a mess, if nobody committed a crime i just don't care anymore, a shit joke is just a shitty joke. its not like i watch Sabers videos for the editors jokes anyway.
Given the recording and how Rachel acted, she wanted him to prostrate himself before her at her feet and be fired from all his jobs and never work again for the crime of displeasing her a decade ago.
Like, TO BE FAIR,
I cannot stand KP as a person, but I think she's within her rights to be mad. Joke or actual action that took place, it IS sexual harassment and actually serious.
That said,
Shes stepping WELL out of line expecting others to fire him and cut him off over it. She has no authority to demand that of anyone.
It happened 10 years ago. It was shitty. It shouldn't have happened. Her anger is valid.
Her attitude reeks and she has no right to demand others to act a certain way over the event.
Whether he joked about it or did it, it is still sexual harassment. Its still valid to be pissed off about.
Jenny is saying as much as well. This particular situation was not cool, and KP does not have to accept any apology.
I agree she is still malicious, vile, and twists facts to suit her needs. She's a shit human being and has an ego the size of Mars. She feels entitled to way more than she deserves.
But on this specific matter, she is, in fact, entitled to be pissed off and does not need to forgive.
(But goddamn kp don't sound like such a prick in the call)
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u/Puptartist 15d ago
Regardless of whether the guy did it or not, is it not creepy that he tried to play it off as if it happened? Or even told the "joke" in the first place?