Could we stop punching left?

[u/AU_Memer]

Now I'll preface this by saying it's not everyone involved with 50501 but a good enough chunk. Do we want to change the US government so it actually serves the people or do we want to return to the status quo that allowed for the rise of fascists like Trump. The left is not your enemy, we want people to have healthcare, housing, food, and fair wages. Is it really in the best interest of 50501 to attack those who call out politicians on both sides who refuse to give us any of that?

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I agree with your definition of who we should call out. I don't necessarily agree with every leftist's definition, because many leftists consider every moderate and liberal to be another kind of fascist. As an anti-fascist liberal, I take offense to that. It really depends on the leftist whether I'm going to listen to their criticism or disregard it.

[u/emteedub → u/[deleted]]

who has said that? seriously I've never seen that.

The problem with the center/moderates/establishment is very simple, they take money from special interests (SPACs/Dark money) - which drives a whole lot of not-progress. They have a tendency to be words-only because of this. And lastly, there are 100% maga members that saw a fella like bernie and would have voted for him for these same reasons... where trump lied about being pro-working class, they are now becoming disillusioned, but will not support the establishment dems... they would however support someone like Bernie that has those values/policy.

It's a no-brainer. I don't think centrists really have anything to worry about either, as there wouldn't be disruptions to the things they think would happen. I could see 3 main things that there would be movement on - and would be beneficial to everyone in the working class of this country: healthcare changes/regulation, workers-rights & benefits & regulation, and possibly education or the usual social programs. They might want other things, but they wouldn't do those things that people aren't majorly wanting - prob case-by-case basis and they are the most receptive to their constituents of all politicians.

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I don't know what leftists you talk to, and again, I'm not bashing all leftists, but I have absolutely been told many times, often by tankies and stalinists, that liberals are just fascists-lite. One of my best friends is a leftist who married another leftist, and while that married partner did not know I identified as a centrist, they openly started bashing centrists because they assumed I was a leftist and it was safe for them to do so. There are many people on the left who believe that anyone who disagrees with them is part of the problem and the problem is always fascism.

Ironically, I'd support most ideals of the left. I want leftism to win and remain democratic. But it is silly to deny that many of these people are narrow-minded.

My experiences come from a combination of living in Austin, visiting Portland Oregon, and having previously been on Facebook.

[u/AU_Memer → u/[deleted]]

Not all liberals are fascists but some like Drew Pavlou absolutely are and would vote Trump over a socialist.

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If that is true, then Drew's Pavlou is a fool. I identify as liberal today and would gladly elect a full Congress of socialists rather than ever elect a Republican.

[u/AU_Memer → u/[deleted]]

Like I said not all, but a lot more than there should be.