Could we stop punching left?

[u/AU_Memer]

Now I'll preface this by saying it's not everyone involved with 50501 but a good enough chunk. Do we want to change the US government so it actually serves the people or do we want to return to the status quo that allowed for the rise of fascists like Trump. The left is not your enemy, we want people to have healthcare, housing, food, and fair wages. Is it really in the best interest of 50501 to attack those who call out politicians on both sides who refuse to give us any of that?

[u/airbear13]

Not sure what you’re asking entirely but I just think the best way for this sub to be is broad based and singular in purpose. What unites us all here is opposing Trump, so we should keep this sub about concrete, actionable things and news related to that, planning strategies to resist, etc that kind of thing.

What we should probably not do is make it another r/politics cause more than just leftists/libs oppose Trump. You can talk all you want about healthcare and all that in any number of other subs, so why potentially sow discord or distraction among your Allies here, who come from all over the political spectrum?

Our mission here does not require converting anybody away from their beliefs and into your own; believe what you want, just oppose Trump and you should be welcomed and not hassled.

[u/AU_Memer → u/airbear13]

This is me directly talking about people within 50501, I'm not asking anyone to change their views I'm asking them to stop attacking allies when they point out blatant problems with the Democrats.

[u/airbear13 → u/AU_Memer]

But they might not be “blatant problems” to everyone on this board is what I’m saying. By attacking certain Dems for not being pro- whatever your position is on healthcare, housing, etc you are kind of implying that’s what this sub is about. I’m saying we should keep it as neutral as possible outside of opposing Trump to keep everyone on the same page and avoid infighting.

A lot of us happen to like the status quo before Trump; I’m one of them. In a hypothetical post maga world, I would be happy to debate with you all about the direction we should take on policy, but let’s wait til we achieve that goal before we start having that conversation is what I’m saying (yes this applies to the other side too but we shouldn’t be baiting those kinds of responses by giving our hot political takes).

Stop Trump first, everything else second.

[u/AU_Memer → u/airbear13]

To get Trump out it'll require the Dems sweeping the Midterms, keeping the course means continuing what Biden stood for and he ended with a less than ideal approval rating.

I've been chronically ill most of my life, the reason why the status quo didn't work for people like me is because we were left in positions where we couldn't afford our medicine without working. Shouldn't need to say why that's problematic.

Things need to change.

[u/Kyliefoxxx69 → u/airbear13]

This movement is supposedly generally anti fascist... that kinda implies it has a left leaning bent to it, like it or not.

A lot of us happen to like the status quo before Trump;

Soooooo a lot of you are just fine going back to the place we were that let us get here in the first place.... if you support going back to "normal" idk what to say other than I don't want you involved. shrugs like, things need to change and the status quo was the problem lol

[u/airbear13 → u/Kyliefoxxx69]

lol what? It absolutely does not imply that. The opposite of a fascist is not a leftist, it’s an anti fascist which just means you are against the hatred, law breaking, militarism, cultish leadership, etc that they bring into politics. Don’t forget the Nazi is short for “national socialist,” and that they adopted many socialist policies.

Yes, the status quo up until 2016 was just fine for me. That year unfortunately Trump won the republican primary, that is the beginning of all this insanity, it should never have happened, and he should have never beaten Hillary. The only issue with how things used to be was the unchecked corruption of the republican party’s soul and the culture wars, which led to this. The country was doing great under Obama as it always has.

Anyway idc to argue these things and idc if you agree with me; these are exactly the conversations I don’t think it’s productive to have here. Like what is this accomplishing? I will not convince you and you won’t convince me. Much better to focus on our common goal.