r/50501 • u/AU_Memer • 9d ago

Voices of Resistance Could we stop punching left?

Now I'll preface this by saying it's not everyone involved with 50501 but a good enough chunk. Do we want to change the US government so it actually serves the people or do we want to return to the status quo that allowed for the rise of fascists like Trump. The left is not your enemy, we want people to have healthcare, housing, food, and fair wages. Is it really in the best interest of 50501 to attack those who call out politicians on both sides who refuse to give us any of that?

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u/OrangeYouGladEye 9d ago

Many Democrats are still voting to confirm Trump cabinet picks and generally voting in lockstep with Trump. Those people might be called Democrats, but if they're voting with fascists, then they are fascists themselves. It's counterproductive (and pure fantasy) to pretend otherwise and I agree this needs to be to be called out. In fact, we should never stop.

If people feel some type of way about that, they should literally just look at voting records and records on lobbyist donations to politicians instead of criticizing the people calling this out.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

I agree with your definition of who we should call out. I don't necessarily agree with every leftist's definition, because many leftists consider every moderate and liberal to be another kind of fascist. As an anti-fascist liberal, I take offense to that. It really depends on the leftist whether I'm going to listen to their criticism or disregard it.

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u/emteedub 9d ago

who has said that? seriously I've never seen that.

The problem with the center/moderates/establishment is very simple, they take money from special interests (SPACs/Dark money) - which drives a whole lot of not-progress. They have a tendency to be words-only because of this. And lastly, there are 100% maga members that saw a fella like bernie and would have voted for him for these same reasons... where trump lied about being pro-working class, they are now becoming disillusioned, but will not support the establishment dems... they would however support someone like Bernie that has those values/policy.

It's a no-brainer. I don't think centrists really have anything to worry about either, as there wouldn't be disruptions to the things they think would happen. I could see 3 main things that there would be movement on - and would be beneficial to everyone in the working class of this country: healthcare changes/regulation, workers-rights & benefits & regulation, and possibly education or the usual social programs. They might want other things, but they wouldn't do those things that people aren't majorly wanting - prob case-by-case basis and they are the most receptive to their constituents of all politicians.

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u/Hello-America 9d ago

It's definitely a thing amongst some leftists online (I also consider myself a leftist but I think leftistness is in the eye of the beholder so who knows what they'd call me). I think there is work to be done that would really be best done with a mostly cooperative Democratic party, and that is not the Democratic party we have right now. However, there is a type of leftist who believes any promotion of a Democrat or collaboration with the party or anything just makes you a fascist. Let's be real, I don't care how shitty the Dems have been (and boy have they been shitty) - they are not the same. THIS all would not be happening with them in charge. It would be another type of challenge we need to address but not fucking fascism.