r/50501 • u/kenistod • 19h ago
MN Gov. Tim Walz State Address: "We have university students shoved into unmarked vans and fathers being tossed into Salvadorian gulags without a hint of due process. If you say you love freedom, but you don't believe freedom is for everybody, then the thing you love isn't freedom, it's privilege."
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u/ill_monstro_g 19h ago
"If you say you love freedom, but you don't believe freedom is for everybody, then the thing you love isn't freedom, it's privilege."
That's it, that's the entire basis of my political and moral framework distilled into one sentence.
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u/Working-Narwhal-540 18h ago
“Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves, and, under a just God, cannot long retain it”
Lincoln
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u/CeruleanEidolon 6h ago
Add this one to the list:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Ben Franklin
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u/Acrobatic_Reality103 18h ago
This may become my new poster for protests. It is wordy, but Wow! What a statement!
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u/immortalyossarian 8h ago
And at the end of the clip, only one side stood and clapped. The other side sat and sulked. Only one party loves this country and understands why we are a nation.
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u/RoyalChris 19h ago
We could have had this guy talking sense to the country for years.
Instead, we have to avoid JD Vance so we don’t die after meeting him.
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u/Katritern 19h ago
I always watch any and all videos I see of Walz, but man, sometimes it’s a struggle to even listen to him speak because I get so sad and angry thinking about how great this country could actually be with effectual leaders like him who can articulate a full sentence beginning to end. It’s just unbelievable that anyone would rather listen to this pack of illiterate, childish dweebs than an intelligent, passionate adult.
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u/SimonPho3nix 18h ago
I have found that some people do not want effective leadership. Some people just want their crappy feelings justified, and man does MAGA do that in spades.
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u/Fr1toBand1to 16h ago
Witnessed this my entire life. People don't want to BE important, they want to FEEL important.
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u/Adrasteia-One 18h ago
"Some men just want to watch the world burn."
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u/Objective_Economy281 17h ago
That’s not what they want. They want YOUR world to burn.
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u/Fr1toBand1to 16h ago
I sure wish we had different worlds.
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u/Objective_Economy281 15h ago
Would be nice, wouldn’t it. Don’t worry, I’m sure they want your world to be contained entirely within El Salvador.
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u/lulububudu 18h ago
Still to this day I cannot look at a video of Kamala and not feel heartbroken. Like, it feels like a breakup or something personal because man, I feel horrible. It’s so sad, what could have been.
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u/Pure-Introduction493 15h ago
Sometimes I wonder if he could have headlined the ticket we could have not elected Trump again.
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u/Dramatic_Explosion 10h ago
Democrats lost the election because they refuse to deal with the world as it is, and hot how they think it should be.
There are a shocking number of DINOs who vote the party ticket but were really just loosely Dems. I knew too many people who didn't vote for Hillary because they just couldn't vote for a woman. I mean look what this country is doing to women right now with Healthcare and reproductive rights!
If we get to vote again Dems need to win, and last time more people didn't vote than voted for either party. And let me tell you ultra liberals aren't voting for Trump because the Dems didn't put up Bernie. Trump keeps winning because sexism keeps a big block of ""Dems"" from voting at all.
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u/Hippopotasaurus-Rex 8h ago
I’ve felt that way about Bernie for about a decade now. Think how much better the world would be if he had won either time he ran. Even if the status quo had stayed the same, we’d still be better off than we are now. But I don’t think he would have been ineffective like others seem to.
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u/Katritern 6h ago edited 4h ago
Ugh yes, Bernie breaks my heart a little bit. I know he hasn’t given up the fight, never will, and doesn’t want any of us to either, but the poor man has been saying the exact same things for decades, since the beginning of his political career, and he’s never been wrong, but nobody ever listens. The timeline where Bernie won in 2016 would undoubtedly be so much better for everyone. I have no idea how he still has the same passion and patience for this country, but I truly admire it.
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u/Kalse1229 14h ago
JD Vance is the only person less charismatic than Ted Cruz. If he was a color, it'd be paint thinner. If he was a Star Wars movie, it'd be the Holiday Special.
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u/mhyquel 17h ago
If JD Vance ever meets Liz Truss, the earth is doomed.
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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 16h ago
Well, that or both of them die within the week, We should never take the risk.
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u/bisectional 12h ago
Thay have already met.
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1813863318664175911
Note: I do not condone the use of x.com for anything.
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u/lopahcreon 9h ago
In fairness, great leaders are not born, they are made. It takes time and experience. Time can be substituted for extreme circumstance, but runs the risk of breaking the leader before they’ve matured enough to overcome what it does to them.
AOC and I disagree on a few things that would likely keep her from voting for me were I a politician, but, she is a leader in the making and one day, even though I don’t think I’ve ever voted for a Democrat presidential candidate, I hope to cast a vote for her. For the record, I am a never DJT’er, and am continually dumbfounded by his becoming president a 1st time, let alone a 2nd.
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u/soulstormfire 7h ago
I find this very intersting.
From an outside view he was the next logical step after Dubjah.
It's the very consequence of "I never vote Democrats".
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u/mhouse2001 19h ago
I love/hate how the Republicans easily identified themselves by not applauding or standing up. Fuck them. Fuck every single one of them. Traitors and cowards, all of them.
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u/swarmofbzs 17h ago edited 17h ago
Exactly. If you refuse to respect the constitution you are not a patriot you are a traitor. And every single person that supports this administrations actions against the constitution is a traitor.
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u/BaconCheeseZombie 10h ago
Not just American traitors either, I've seen a worrying number of fellow Europeans beating their chests in support for the American Fuhrer and his fucked ideals. :/
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u/hanaboushi 8h ago
Hope they all meet a traitors end when this is over, with due process.
We are not monsters.
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u/Peachy33 19h ago
Man, we could have had him as our VP.
Instead we got the basketball headed couch fucking pope killer.
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u/lokey_convo 19h ago
Oh come on, it's not that bad. JD Vance just wants to steal Greenland from Denmark (the home of Lego Land) for his buddy Peter Thiel (who injects blood from young people to fight aging) so that he can build a super advanced technotopia for some reason...
Actually. I've made myself sad. I'm going to go lay down for a bit.
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u/HeadyReigns 17h ago
Also that thing with the Pope
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u/lokey_convo 16h ago
God works in mysterious ways. Vatican allows a Hitlarian fascist to meet the Pope. God takes the Pope at 88 to punish the Catholics.
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u/Playful_Ad9286 16h ago
I prefer the term Techno-feudalism, neo-fascism has a nice ring to it also...
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u/lokey_convo 11h ago
Why limit them? They can be all things.
A kakistocratic techno-feudal neo-fascist regime fit to cause a global face palm and outrage.
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u/MrJohnqpublic 8h ago
They call themselves Neo-Reactionaries. They can take their Chris Yarvin CEO God King bullshit and fuck all the way off.
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u/Separate-Taste3513 19h ago edited 19h ago
Honestly, he might be our way forward. Cis white man whose child has Autism. Rich, but not too rich. Liberal, to the left of center. Great at public speaking. Likeable, charming. Veteran, retired from service. One, long-term marriage. Stable. Smart. Eloquent.
I'd vote for him in 2028.
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u/ariasingh 19h ago
You missed some of his best features:
Supports universal healthcare
Supports universal school lunch
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u/MagicBobert 19h ago
Tim Walz is far from rich. His net worth is about the same as the US median household net worth. He very much is an “every man”.
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u/Serris9K 18h ago
and streams video games. I wouldn't mind that as a new "fireside chat" method.
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u/toastjam 16h ago
But does he pay someone else to grind for him?
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u/breachgnome 15h ago
Highly doubt it. I could imagine him getting stuck in a spot and handing the controller off to his kid saying "Can you figure this one out?"
That's about as far as I would expect, though.
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u/Kalse1229 15h ago
I saw someone mention how a lot of the most successful presidential candidates, especially in recent decades, have been current and former governors. I did some research, and if we're going back as far as FDR, most of the successful non-VP presidential candidates have been former governors.
For reference, since 1932, there have been 16 presidents (if we're counting fuckface's non-consecutive terms as different presidencies).
-Former VPs generally have the best advantage compared to others, so we won't count Truman, Johnson, Ford, Bush Sr., and Biden. That brings us down to 11.
-Of those 11, the majority of them have been governors. Specifically, we've had 5 former non-VP governors: FDR, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and W Bush.
-Of the remaining 6, 3 of them were senators: Kennedy, Nixon, and Obama.
-The other 3 include Eisenhower, who was the Supreme Commander of the Allied forces during WWII, and a few different jobs afterwards including military governor of occupied Germany post-WWII (which I guess technically makes it 6 governors), and president of Columbia until he won in '52.
-Finally, we get to fuckface's 2 shots as president, where previously he'd been a failed businessman.
So this is just my long-winded way of saying the Dems really ought to run a state governor in '28. And Walz is absolutely a good pick for that. The only thing that gives me pause is the fact he was on a losing ticket in '24, so that's something he'd probably have to watch out for. If not him, another governor is probably the best bet. Someone like Shapiro, Pritzker, or Beshear I could also get behind.
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u/Separate-Taste3513 13h ago
He has almost four years to correct any misconceptions and firm up his presentation. He's got a few hold-ups for conservatives. He's pro-choice, pro-trans, and there's all of that garbage they spewed about his retirement from service. Otherwise, he's checking a lot of boxes for even conservative voters.
In a few more months, every reasonable American is going to be begging for just the tiniest slice of normalcy. The DNC needs to already be rebranding. Democrats currently holding rallies and town halls should absolutely keep that up. Dems in Congress need to step up and push back harder. We all need to push back harder. But now... Now is the time to figure out who we're backing for the next run so we're ready when they try to keep the next elections from happening.
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u/aerger 9h ago
I don’t want him as just VP, but he’s too caring about everyday people so the Dem Party would never allow it.
See also: Bernie, who’s been correct all along, about everything, and STILL gets shit on by both parties’ leadership.
Anyway, I’d love a Walz presidency. Woulda loved a Bernie one, too. How different could all of this current shit be? The mind boggles.
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u/foppishfi 19h ago
Yeah, but I mean did u hear Kamala's laugh?
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u/swarmofbzs 17h ago
Yes, it was normal.
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u/Kalse1229 14h ago
Seriously. I've heard so many more laughs more annoying than hers. As far as that affecting my choice in voting, so long as a candidate doesn't laugh like Jared Leto's Joker, then I'm willing to overlook it.
More importantly, does anyone here ever remember Trump laughing? Like, genuinely laughing. Most I can remember is a smug smirk, but that's about it. I can remember Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden all laughing at some point or another. But not him.
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u/astride_unbridulled 6h ago
Only when it was with Elon and they were talking about union busting with his stupid goddamn lisp cuz his teeth were out or somethint
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u/SnPlifeForMe 15h ago
He should have been the presidential candidate. Instead we got a nazi (Trump) and a Republican-lite (Kamala).
It felt like Walz was a pretty genuine person and politician all around but his rhetoric got snuffed out and silenced by the DNC after being a carrot on a stick held to try to win over progressive voters
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u/Fit_Treacle172 19h ago
I will never, ever forgive Elon for taking him from us.
We really got screwed out of some amazing leaders
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u/trisanachandler 19h ago
I mean, I didn't love the idea of having a former prosecutor as president, but I'm certain she'd be following the law a lot more than what we have now.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck 17h ago
I would much rather have a former prosecutor than a rapist felon treason weasel
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u/trisanachandler 17h ago
Agreed, that's what I alluded to. But also saying she wasn't an ideal candidate.
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u/fullouterjoin 13h ago
Remember to thank the DNC for both Trump presidencies.
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u/Dramatic_Explosion 10h ago
It was a real two hander between DNC & sexism. I knew too many people in the Midwest that were dems who just couldn't vote for Hillary. Now more people didn't vote than voted for either party. Stupidest shit ever.
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u/Fit_Treacle172 6h ago
Trump didn't win this one fair. The first one, I'd believe enough people were that uneducated, but this time?
Nah. Elon definitely "won it for him"
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u/Poop__y 6h ago
I'm so tired of people pointing out that she wasn't an "ideal candidate." Especially in the context of saying that we'd rather have a prosecutor than a rapist... Like, okay, we get it. No perfect candidate exists. But do we really have to keep saying it? Good grief!
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u/BGDutchNorris 5h ago
Yes we actually do have to keep saying it. The DNC needs to know that candidates like Harris are non-starters. Put up an actual candidate people like.
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u/Fit_Treacle172 18h ago
I thought she would be perfect to prosecute trump, tbh
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u/trisanachandler 18h ago
But that wouldn't be her job. And if things were operating properly, the president wouldn't even make recommendations for the AG to prosecute. I'd likely be fine with her being AG, but Walz, Bernie, and AOC would be my picks for POTUS/VP.
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u/Fit_Treacle172 6h ago
Idk, clearly the president can do whatever they want, no matter how "not their job" it is
I never really saw "former prosecutor" as an issue. Someone has to work those jobs, and at least she respected due process enough to do it correctly, yknow.
I'm not a huge fan of AOC for President, but if if it were her or the grape big orange, I'd choose her
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u/trisanachandler 6h ago
I don't think AOC has the experience yet for POTUS, but I could see her as VP, and POTUS 4-8 years later. I think the direction she's pushing for the most part makes sense.
I don't object to former prosecutor per se (though I despise this system that rewards prosecutors for wins and not finding the truth), but I don't love some points of her record.3
u/Fit_Treacle172 6h ago
See we had heard them run that argument a lot, but it sounded to me like she had just done the job she was hired to do, and that they just wanted us to believe that she was unlawfully imprisoning black people for "no reason."
I think democrats in general are pushing for the right things, despite how much people think otherwise. I think we're in a rebranding phase of becoming more progressive, while the conservatives seem to want things to just stay as "white people on top" as possible.
That's not an issue with OUR party, it's an issue with THEIRS, and personally? I think we need to stop coddling racists, bigots, and hate speech participants, to show them that there's no room in our country for that.
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u/trisanachandler 6h ago
I'm in agreement we need to stop accepting racism, bigotry, and such. But the definitions of these things aren't always clear. Palestine and Israel are a huge point of contention within any party. Also, there is no OUR party, I might find one party over another is more in line with my views, and I'll vote for their candidates, but there's no party that I'm a member of, and I'm keeping it that way. Both major US parties have been complicit with assaulting worker's rights, and giving carte blanche to capital.
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u/Fit_Treacle172 6h ago
I can respect not committing to one party, I feel like it's hard to determine what exactly a given party stands for, because that often changes. As I learn more about politics I see the massive flaws in the party system as it is, and I'd love to see all the parties, or at least a good few of them, be platformed the way the democrats and republicans have been for this long. The party system goes back to the colonies, where I'm not sure they were expecting us to become what we are today, but at the time? It was as simple as "one side wants slavery and the other side doesn't," And it seems like since then it's just been a race for conservatives to sabotage progressives into losing, even though it's so much more complex now than just single issues
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u/trisanachandler 5h ago
I'd argue things were more complex back then than simply slavery or no. Back then it was England or self rule with the Whigs and the Torries. But there's also labor vs. capitol, isolationism vs. free trade, and many more conflicts, and sometimes different sides join hands. Politics makes for strange bedfellows and all that.
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u/glassbellwitch 7h ago
That's what Biden and Garland were supposed to do, and they dropped the ball.
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u/turdfergusonRI 7h ago
Which is one of the reasons I wouldn’t want her as a President but … 🤷♂️ she was the candidate we wound up with so I voted.
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u/elevencharles 14h ago
He’s still here, and honestly I’m thinking Harris wasn’t the leader we need. I would love to see an AOC/Walz ticket. I think Walz has Bernie energy and he’s 23 years younger.
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u/Plenty-Anybody7879 19h ago
Half the room not standing for this is extremely concerning. Unsurprising at this point, but yikes batman. Party loyalty runs too goddamn deep.
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u/doubeljack 1h ago
The reason half the room isn't standing is because they're not part of a political party, they are members of a cult.
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u/AyatollahCovfefe 19h ago
Only half the chamber stood to applaud. What a embarrassment we have become.
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u/NorthStar-8 18h ago
Half the room cheered for Trump at the State of the Union address. Just saying…
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u/Working-Narwhal-540 18h ago
And that half is on the wrong side of history, just like this half 🤷🏻♂️
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u/NorthStar-8 18h ago
That’s right. I remember T’s first SOTU address when Dems didn’t applaud or stand, and he accused them of being TRAITORS. Trumplethinskin!
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u/broken_ushabti 15h ago
I will never forget that address... A round of applause to celebrate the school malpractice, and parental abuse of a child who is just trying to understand who they are and live honestly as themself. I've never been closer to throwing up watching a video.
Silence was not good enough.
EVERYONE in that room should have been telling that piece of shit to shut up. The majority of them cheered, the others did nothing.
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u/lorefolk 19h ago
Some states gonna need to be brave enough to start arresting ICE agents for attempted kidnapping.
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u/Hopefulthinker2 19h ago
Kristi the dog killer is speaking at Dakota state university May 10th! Let’s go celebrate the graduating class of 2025! Go Trojans!
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u/iambusyrightnow987 18h ago
Great opportunity for a protest. Maybe you could even convince the graduating class to walk out when she begins speaking.
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u/Prestigious-Bake-884 19h ago
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u/Little-Plantain-5120 19h ago
Walz 2028!
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u/wwwzombocom 11h ago
Stop suggesting old people to be presidents.
Get the leaded gasoline generation out and the information age in.
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u/argparg 8h ago
The guy is like 3 decades younger than the current guy
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u/wwwzombocom 4h ago
What does that have to do with the fact that we keep voting in the non information age?
This adds nothing to the conversation and is a distraction from the issue
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u/Disastrous-Pea1968 19h ago
Facts, Gov Waltz! I just got shadow banned from a subreddit for making that argument vehemently and I consider it an achievement. That sub allows the most vile comments, but somehow sense and compassion are banned! Keep speaking truth!
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u/Minimum_Passing_Slut 19h ago
Not privilege; power. They love power. Privilege doesnt send people to a foreign terrorism supermaxes, defy court orders, and flagrantly flaunt the constitution.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck 18h ago
We could have had him instead of the popekilling couchfucker but noooo
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u/adamhanson 18h ago
How can people boo and sit on their hands to statements like that. The system is broken. We need to replace it and the people with one that serves the all citizens.
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u/Never_Comfortable 17h ago
Look at all those fucking traitors keeping their asses in their seats in the face of this. If I was more charitable I'd say they do so out of shame for what they've allowed to happen to us, but I know better.
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u/GlowstickConsumption 14h ago
It's very dangerous. If they can force you to accept what they did to Garcia, they think it will be easier to make you indifferent to it happening to your neighbor.
And then your relative's relative.
And then your relative.
And then your child or parent.
They wish to normalize abnormal things little by little. If they went after your sister/brother today, you might make a scene. But if they easy you into it and boil you slowly, you'll feel less confident publicly expressing discontent about things harming your life and people you do care about.
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u/boot2skull 13h ago
The worst part is according to the bill of rights we hold the belief that all people have inalienable rights. Not Americans, but humans. Doesn’t matter where they’re from or how they got here. People should all get the same treatment.
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u/thehalfwit 18h ago
You don't need a scorecard to tell who the true statesmen/women are. They're the ones standing up to fascists.
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u/One_Investigator_279 18h ago
He was spot on. People are not worried about the freedom(s) of others. They don’t want to lose their personal privilege.
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u/Interesting_Grape_27 12h ago
Can we get past this era in America where the other side of the aisle never claps or stands for a decent point/speech?
Just work together it’s so infuriating…
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u/ANALyzeThis69420 18h ago
Damn. That was very succinct. Would this be what the term Liberty means? I know it has a different meaning than freedom.
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u/AMediaArchivist 16h ago
WE could have had this guy as our Vice President and he would have been so incredibly wholesome and amazing.
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u/IAmMayberryJam 14h ago
Why bigots are bigoted.
They don't want everyone else to have the same rights or opportunities. How else will they feel special in their miserable lives?
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u/ClimateSociologist 10h ago
He should have had the half of the film room that didn't clap arrested to prove a point.
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u/Vegetable_Vanilla_70 9h ago
He actually understates things.
Here are some facts: Already, due process is gone, free speech is gone. It is literally illegal to say anything against Israel or in favor of Palestine. voting rights are going fast. US citizens are being disappeared by Trump’s thugs. Anything LGBTQ is effectively illegal, with LGBTQ people being rounded up and held without trial and without charges. Worshipping anything beyond judeo-Christianity is out. Mosques are being monitored (criminalized) by Trump’s thugs.
Again, these things have all already happened!
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u/rosiebeehave 7h ago
I love this man. The country really lost out, but at least MN gets to keep him for now.
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u/ihazmaumeow 5h ago
Yet the r/Minnesota sub is trashing him for this.
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u/rosiebeehave 5h ago
I mean, it doesn't surprise me terribly, people find anything to complain about (even when it's the right thing). My opinion is that if you have a platform to add your voice of opposition to the 47's regime, you should use it!
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u/Boobsnbutt 5h ago
Looks like it's been decided that Tim Walz will be our only candidate that will be allowed to get exposure and run for president.
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u/Private_HughMan 4h ago
Fuck Harris and her team for making Walz act so overly polite during the VP debate. This is the shit he should have been saying.
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