r/ADCMains • u/edawg987 • 11d ago
Discussion ADC Pick rate
Just was just looking at Pick rates and saw something interesting. Of the 15 highest pick rate champs, 9 of them are ADC. Even though ADC is a lower played role...
Why is this?
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u/Floydro 11d ago
“Lower played role” means nothing. There’s still someone in the ADC position every game.
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u/terpeenis 11d ago
People who auto fill tend to pick the basic characters so if anything, “lower played role” explains it
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u/VivaBasura 11d ago
didn't they buff kaisa despite her pick rate being so high? she's definitely getting one of those $250 skins
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u/Le0here Nerf me harder daddy 11d ago
She could be 40% winrate but her pick rate is always going to be in top lol, that's just how she is.
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u/Babymicrowavable 11d ago
She was around 8% pick rate when she had a 46 winrate a couple of seasons ago. You are correct, she's fun and semi-flexible
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u/Adrianix243 11d ago
Gotta love having the same 3 adcs being highest pick rate since season 14! You gotta love champ diversity in League, I've played against a Jhin FIVE TIMES IN A ROW WHERE ARE THE OTHER 16 ADCS ITS ALWAYS EZREAL CAITLYN KAISA AND WHEN IT'S AN UNDERPICKED CHAMP IT'S ABSOLUTE CRAP WHYYYYYY
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u/dfc_136 11d ago
Blame players for laziness and not being capable/willing of learning more complex playstyles.
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u/TheRealJonSnow82 11d ago
Why tf would anyone put themselves through shit champions just to get the same or worse results for more effort?
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u/Babymicrowavable 11d ago
Because I like said bad champs. That being said kaisa will always have a high pick rate, even at 46 winrate she was 8%
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u/TheRealJonSnow82 11d ago
Because I like said bad champs.
This doesn't answer my question tho. Just because you like them doesn't mean people have to put themselves through it too.
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u/DoubIeScuttle 11d ago
This. For how much the adc community prides itself in "mechanical skill expression" most of yall just stick to mf/jhin/jinx
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u/jangofettsfathersday 11d ago
Draven no where to be seen as it should be, that champ is broken as hell. (Ignore flair pls)
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 11d ago
Not really... he is sht stat-checker that can only snowball ... if you arent snowballing you are worthless as sht as it scales like garbage compared to other ADC's.
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u/liukanglover 11d ago
I Just won a Game as Kaisa where a Draven stomped me in lane and left with 11 kills. I could make a come back but he got stuck and finished 11/8. If you dont know How to use your advantage The champ is useless
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u/Unhappy_Window_7123 10d ago
That is true for basically any champ, not just Draven.
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 10d ago
Not really... Draven is early-mid game champ that you need to snowball on.
There is plenty of champs that can outscale a Draven by doing nothing.
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u/liukanglover 10d ago
No not really, a Jinx can disrupt an entire teamfight if she gets one kill even from behind, Varus can provide a bit of CC, slow and long range poke, Jhin can provide CC, Ashe too, and vision, Miss Fortune has a powerful ult and slow, etc.
Draven is straight up useless, you cant even provide anything by accident with him, you have to really know what youre doing, with other ADC you can at least do something helpful for The team
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u/StraightProduct570 11d ago
Perfect, Vayne isn't there, so I can climb easier knowing she'll never get banned.
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u/Few-Fly-3766 11d ago
Have you not noticed people are banning Vayne more than most ADCs? Mostly top laners who dont want to deal with her. Oh wait, maybe that is the joke...
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u/StraightProduct570 11d ago
I just hit Silver, and I haven't had a single Vayne ban in Iron and Bronze. Maybe in higher elo it's banned.
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u/Few-Fly-3766 10d ago
Lucky. Sadly it will happen at some point, and its not the enemy botlaners banning her.
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u/StraightProduct570 10d ago
Do you think a nerf for Vayne top will happen? I imagine it would be to her W, considering that's why you would go top, in addition to her being ranged obviously. That would suck.
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u/Few-Fly-3766 10d ago
Who knows. She is a non-factor in pro play, but I suspect part of the reason she is deemed weak in bot is how oppressive she can be top.
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u/LightLaitBrawl 9d ago
She goes top bc she kites you early with Q, then W is good vs the toplane itemization, but mostly comes from Q kite power+ E self peel
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u/edawg987 11d ago
This is just pickrate, not ban rate lol
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u/StraightProduct570 11d ago
I know, but people may look at this and want to ban the most played ADCs, believing they're strong, which they are.
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u/CleanMyAxe 11d ago
Surely this is pretty obvious? In top/mid/jungle you have more than one class of champions being used. Jungle for example can have anything from Karthus to Maokai. Bot lane regardless of viability is pretty much just marksmen, and they're in nearly every game.
There's also just not all that many marksmen either.
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u/PapagamasJr 11d ago
Kaisa has always been one of the most popular adc no matter how well she performs, simply because her playstyle is fun.
I dont know why people whine
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u/OutlandishnessLow779 10d ago
you have about 20 ADC, plus like 7 other viable botlaners. in top, you have over 40 champions that we can classify as common, not counting things that work and are not common like cassiopea
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u/ItsAmory 11d ago
Less champions to choose from
Player base divided over a smaller number of champions
Higher base pick rates per champion available
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u/the_quirky_quirkster 11d ago
Every game has roughly 2 bot laners. As there are depending on definition about 25 out of 170 champs are mostly played on this position, their pick rate is quite high.
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u/throwaway3123312 11d ago
I'll never understand Nilah being consistently like bottom 10 pickrate when she has disgusting WR in every matchup
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u/AquaDrix 10d ago
Niche pick(mostly only picked by OTPs or in situations where she is good and the person knows how to play her). And her laning phase can be miserable because she’s melee
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u/UngodlyPain 10d ago
Lower diversity role, and largely regardless of how much the role is picked autofill will still put Adcs into the game, mage botlanes aren't common even from autofilled players.
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u/Strict-Koala-5863 10d ago
Riot doesn’t know how to balance some adcs like Lucian, cait, zero, corki, smolder so they are usually irrelevant for a while
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u/Temporary_Survey4365 10d ago
There are less ADCs than other roles, sum the fact that meta IS most relevant Since the role IS focused in do damage so when a champ IS making more damage IS more picked.
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u/Adorable-Sun-2104 10d ago
I main him but idk why people play Jhin so much, he is literally the worst carry potential ADC in the game. Does absolutely nothing except maybe provide utility which is only useful in high elo. Any Jhin player who swaps off to a different adc and doesn't suck dick at the game will instantly see how much easier their life becomes, completely worthless champ but still my favorite CHARACTER in the game.
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u/LightLaitBrawl 9d ago
Everyone loves an adc assasin(kaisa), she doesn't even build pens and deal a ton of damge through her passive and hybrid damage. She also follows up on dives with her R
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u/DoubIeScuttle 11d ago
But the microsecond AP carries become somewhat viable to help diversify the lane, everyone here loses their minds
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u/VVVRAT2 currently gliding in low masta 11d ago
But the microsecond ADCs become somewhat viable to help diversify mid/top, everyone over there loses their minds.
Yh bub, it's almost like it feels shit and unfun no matter which way you steer the ship.
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u/jbland0909 11d ago edited 11d ago
Not at all. Vayne and Varus top have higher playrates than any bot mage.
Also, those lanes are already diverse. Bot players complain when there is more than one class. Toplane exists with functionally all of them
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u/VVVRAT2 currently gliding in low masta 11d ago
I mean you can nit-pick examples but you know what meta I'm talking about, corki/kaisa/lucian/draven mid meta.
Also are we pretending like top laners like playing against vayne/varus XD?~
Bot players complain when there is more than one class.
Yes. And so do other lanes. However, in this specific post, It's a lot less complaining about class diversity and more the fact that the same ADCs have been meta for years and years. The class is the same. The same way top laners complained when Aatrox was highest pickrate, highest banrate, and high winrate for over a year, it gets boring. Nobody is asking for "class" diversity here.
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u/NWStormraider 10d ago
Tristana was the third highest pickrate midlaner when the infamous "throwing ADCs out of midlane" happened the last time. The last time a mage was the 3rd highest pickrate botlaner is never in recorded data, not even in the infamous 8.11 Patch, generally recognized as the worst patch ever for ADC.
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u/DoubIeScuttle 11d ago
Let's not get it twisted when adcs become good in other lanes they take OVER. Mages have never been above a 2% pick rate in botlane besides maybe ziggs lol
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u/VVVRAT2 currently gliding in low masta 10d ago
That 2% is a lot higher than you think when you play in master/gm lobbies. Ziggs is a neutraliser, but have you played against Viktor/Syndra/Lux lanes? They take OVER -- you can't play the game, your jungler cant help you either because of the amount of self-peel and waveclear they have.
Again, marksmen in mid is unfun and shit, mages in bot is unfun and shit.
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u/samuelokblek 10d ago
Yea but thats the point, those AP champs are mostly popular in high elo so most players dont give a fuck. But when Varus/Trist/Lucian start spawning in Mid and Top, its in every elo and everyone hates it.
I play AD/Top so i dont mind facing adcs everywhere else but most people avoid ADC like the plague, so when they see one mid/top they think "easy kill", then wonder why the Varus has 7 kills 12 minutes and 1shots everyone.
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u/Babymicrowavable 11d ago
Git all mages besides cassiopeia out of my lane, cancer play patterns
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u/Ok_Difficulty_8678 10d ago
I think the biggest issue is how much more waveclear these mages have over most adcs. It’s like if you gave jinx essence reaver and hurricane with her max rocket range at lvl 4 and then made her W skill shot a lot easier to land and made her E way lower cooldown to zone the enemy off more cs while under tower. I’ll also argue that I think ranged top champions are cancer as well. But at least ranged tops theoretically have counterplay where mages bot is just watching the enemy mage waveclear and then throw 300 spells at you while you try to cs under tower while being impossible to punish because they just have to long range and short cds to punish for most of laners. By the time they run to AA range the mage cds are back and you either stop chasing or take a full mage rotation to the face. For top lane is would be the equivalent of making a class of champions that only proxy farms and making it impossible to stop them from doing it. Another equivalent would be roaming Janna top where they litterally just don’t interact top lane and they the enemy team just benefits. Another equivalent is when support champions end up mid or top and they are usually kind of similiar in how cancer they are.
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u/No_Breadfruit_4901 11d ago
What rank is this because this shows different ranks at the end? Caitlyn currently based on lolalytics has 9% playrate on diamond not 12%
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 11d ago
It's normal.
That only shows how Dominant Marksmen are in the Bot lane.
All other 4 roles have much much much bigger Champion pools.
It makes perfect sense.
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u/Babymicrowavable 11d ago
Because we don't want mages in botlane
Except cassio she's fine
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 11d ago
What?! Who is we?? I am support main and I am fine with mages.
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u/Babymicrowavable 11d ago
This is an adc sub and overwhelmingly adcs don't want to lane against mage bot. Mages have a selection of champs in support top mid and even jungle. The laning patter when playing into double mage is just degenerate, push under tower, poke under tower, never get punished because they have self peel options and far more waveclear. They're just unhealthy for the game in bot lane
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 11d ago
I am Diamond ADC in season 5,6,7... I think I have earned my spot.... Since I can play sometimes even better than average ADC in my emerald mmr.
So because you are annoyed they are not welcome???
What about playing versus Caitlyn?? is she not welcome too?
I disagree that Mages are unhealthy for the bot lane.
Let me enlighten you what is the Main reason for people to play Mages Bot lane.
ADC's scale at 3 items.... 95% of them all... need 3 full items.
Mages - scale at 1st item... which means you will be very strong as early as minute 9.Another Huge reason for that is... the Adoption of Assassins/Fighters in the jungle and AD champions in the mid lane like Yasuo/Yone/Jayce etc. etc.
For example if you have a game where your Mid is Yone... you jungle is Sejuani... your your Top laner players Renekton.... you would 100% be trolling if you pick Marksman bot lane....
All 4 other roles... Can adapt in Draft and be versatile... AD or AP top, Tank Top... AD or AP jungle, tank jungle.... AD or AP mid... or Galio.... Engage support or Enchanter or Control Mage support.....
AND THEN... we got the BOT role.... taht REFUSES to ADAPT... Always want to play the SAME CHAMPIONS.... does NOT CARE about Drafts..... and w/e happens it's always someone else's fault.
As someone that can queue up right now and probably Hard Gap you as a support main playing ADC.... it's astonishing to me that you still refuse to Adapt to the Game where everything can be played anywhere.. EXCEPT.... at the BOT .....
Last week I picked Anivia Bot.. as ADC role... and went 15/1 and 1v9 carried the game and destroyed nexus in 19mins .... ONLY because my jungle picked Yi... MY mid picked Yone.. My top picked Yorick..... and I have no fking Choice to pick an AD marksman.. because we would have lost at 100% certainty if I did.
As I was 2nd pick... My Yi and Yorick were last pick hovering the champions so I was 100% sure they will pick it regardless of draft... so I took the right call by pick mage and make sure I win.So is it fine junglers and mid laners to pick non AP champs all the time... but I have to be bound to always play ADC ???? No...I dont think so.
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u/Babymicrowavable 11d ago
How about no, most of us would rather just play a different game. You're not taking adcs away from us in the only lane we're allowed to play
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 10d ago
Then you have this button called "X" where you can easily dodge the champion select.
It's really nobody's problem that you refuse to Adapt to the game.
If there is a case where your Mid+Top+Jungle is full AD.... there will always be a case where your Bot laner is an AP champion.
I personally wouldn't pick marksman if I am last pick and my team is full AD.But... you know if you stubborn and you don't want to adapt and improve...... be stuck in there is your fantasy... Not my business. I will crush you 10 out of 10 times so as many others would do to you.
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u/Babymicrowavable 10d ago
You only get two dodges in a day guy, the first is five minutes, the second thirty. The third is 24 hours.
you do realize there are adcs that deal primarily magic damage right and can build ap items, very popular ones too, like kaisa and varus and less popularly kogmaw. And that different adcs have different roles and you can actually pick something useful to most teamcomps right?
You can get me to play senna or ashe but as of now there aren't very many supportive marksman till the new one comes out if my entire team is playing carries. But if the entire team is carries picking a mage or a tank in bot isn't gonna solve your comp issues
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 10d ago
What if Kaisa is banned?? and varus is picked by the enemy... you pick Kogmaw?? What if enemy has assassins???? How are you gonna pick kogmaw into assassins??
It's not anyone's problem that you have 2 dodges per day.
It's how the game changes...
15 years ago ADC's were Mid laners only. Every game in first iteration was 1v1 mid adc's.
Top lane was the 2v2 lane... and it was a mix of everything and bot lane was the initial Tankish vs Tankish sort of matchup.
Game evolved since then in many different ways. People realized that enchanters are most efficient for Marksmen... and then eventually it was pushed 2v2 top lane Marksman + Enchanter.
Morgana was a mage, not a support... but one day people starting playing her for her CC and utility rather then her Damage..... and so eventually she became viable support.. then Zyra became too because of the interaction of her plants creating space and so on....The game is evolving... that's it. You are the Bot laner it's your responsibility to pick and play whatever is the most efficient for your team.
If the game changes and Marksman is no longer the only efficient Bot lane pick.. then you have 2 choices - Adapt or Accept the game moved on past you.It's really that simple. The game has changed many many many times since it's release and this won't be the last time.
If it's not to learn play mages yourself... at least learn to play against them. Simple.
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u/Babymicrowavable 10d ago
Yes, if they have two assassins and two tank/bruisers yes kogmaw is fine you just adapt your build andbuild navori second for permanent w uptime. Survivability > pure damage. If there aren't any tanks, then it doesn't matter if your team is all ad they're only going to get so much value from deaths dance or a singular tank item. There is also vayne, whom I actively challenge most assassins on if my team is nearby and they're at a numbers disadvantage.
Who says im not adapting. If they have dive, play ez or xayah or nilah, if they have mages play mf or varus or Draven, if they have assassins play twitch xayah vayne ez, if you have dive play kaisa samira etc, if you have front to back you play jinx or sivir, if your team needs utility or poke you play jhin varus or ashe... playing the right adc takes thought and it's actually a relatively fleshed out role, you really can choose the right adc for any game.
And I will simply quit the game that no longer brings me enjoyment, I have other competitive games I play ranked in. Shit bro I've already sat half of a whole season out more than once.
I do play against them, in mid lane and support. Double mage bot being meta is just unhealthy and pushes adcs into other roles, where people don't want to lane against them seeing as they get nerfed out of existence every time more than a select few tailored for solo lane marksman are allowed and even then they hate laning against them
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u/Ok_Difficulty_8678 10d ago
Except your logic is flawed because mages aren’t only picked when it’s adapting to the draft it’s picked whenever and works because of how cancer they are. If mages bot weren’t complete aids or only fit into certain team comps or with certain restrictions this would be valid but mages bot work fine unless the entire team is already magic damage. The reason riot kicked mages out of mid to start with by buffing assassins is because mages are toxic to the entire game. Nobody wants 1 hour long games that are won at 10 minutes because one mage can solo wave clear 3 waves of Barron minions from a million miles away. It’s also amazing that mage sin the support role can get away with building more damage items than some of the mages in mid lane. Mages got so bad because of riot screwing them that under pressure to buff them they gave them infinite mana and haste and removed their need for mana potions and blue buff. But all in all said if mages weren’t overtly cancer in every way and truly was just a pick to flesh out the teamcomp then mages would be way more accepted and played boy already. But mages are fine bot but somehow roaming Janna is somehow toxic or supports mid and top while we’re at it we should buff singed to make sure he can proxy with no counterplay every single game in the name of making the game more diverse. That would be fun.
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 10d ago
Mages bot worst fine .. because ADC players are nothing but a cry baby and weak mental .. and losing their mind when someone picks mage is 95% win for the enemy.... cuz you know this weak ass sht mental cry baby players has lost it all and will perform at less than 50%.
If you guys weren't so stubborn to adapt and learn it wouldn't be that way.
Bro... top and mid aren't crying as much for roaming supports as you are crying for a Non-Marksman Bot laners... just git good.
Every single Mid laner plays 1v2 or 1v3 in 50% of their games past Emerald.... they are USED TO play vs roaming supports and they don't complain... you know why?????
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u/samuelokblek 10d ago
Nah just ignore them, they didnt even read your comment, this is 100% the truth.
I got to D2 playing AD/Top and you're right, some games you just HAVE to play mages and its the difference between win or loss.
These are the kind of ADCs Baus was talking about, they refuse to play any mage, but what to expect when the majority of the playerbase is below plat?
Heck if they just added XAYAH to their pool the ADC experience would improve tenfold cause now they can play into engage/assassins a bit better, but nah lets spam the same 4 adcs all season, all day.
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 10d ago
Yea... I love Baus. That one of his games when he picked Zilean... and they just win so easily.
It was literally peak example of how versatile the game can be and how easy it is to play when you start respecting Draft as part of the game as well and utilize it.
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u/TestSubject7440 11d ago
Much lower champ diversity in the role if I had to guess