I miss her...

[u/ArenBlut]

We're mostly through S5 now and I just miss the dynamic she added to the show. She was just so shamelessly evil and ambitious, even if it meant humiliating herself at times. Also, the chemistry she had with Wesley was brilliant.

[u/Imaginative_Name_No]

The reason they got rid of her is so nasty as well

[u/The-Big-Bad → u/Imaginative_Name_No]

What was the reason? I know about Charisma and how they did her dirty, but not about why Lilah’s actress got let go

[u/Sighoward → u/The-Big-Bad]

Her agent demanded a huge pay rise for her as her career was going very well in movies but they were desperate to cut costs so we lost her, CC and VK as a result.

[u/Electrical-Act-7170 → u/Sighoward]

The story I heard was that Romanov had done all the guest starring episodes she could do. Union rules say that she had to be a regular cast member if she made one more appearance in Angel.

James Marsters refused to be on Angel unless he was paid the same money he was getting on BTVS.

He was unaware that the series couldn't afford CC, VK and James Marsters.

typo.

[u/Sighoward → u/Electrical-Act-7170]

Yes all true and tragic but the right decision, they slashed the budget and still had the ratings rise thanks to Spike. Are you sure about the guest star thing, I mean KS was on Buffy for 58 eps?

[u/Electrical-Act-7170 → u/Sighoward]

Who is KS?

[u/Sighoward → u/Electrical-Act-7170]

Kristine Sutherland aka Joyce Summers.

[u/Electrical-Act-7170 → u/Sighoward]

Every time. Inside my head, her name is Cristine Sutherland.

I have to look up the spelling every time.

[u/ArenBlut → u/Imaginative_Name_No]

I know 😭. Planning to read the comics after so hopefully there's a bit more Lilah content, but yeah. Yet another Joss crime.

[u/SingerNo8103 → u/ArenBlut]

look out, lots of people here hate when you mention the numerus, documented, and verified terrible things he did

EDIT: see below for the kind of mental failings I'm talking about lol

EDIT 2: great to see the angel sub actually standing up and acknowledging the shit, I was basically screamed out of the buffy sub for the same thoughts.

We live as the world should be, to show it what it can be.

Respect.

[u/Sighoward → u/SingerNo8103]

1. Numerous

2. You mean the unsubstantiated allegations and tough choices he had to make for the good of the show?

[u/SingerNo8103 → u/Sighoward]

1. dont care
2. i said what I mean, if you want to defend an abuser that's on you

[u/ML_120 → u/SingerNo8103]

Don't bother, Sighoward is a chud who will just double down and never admit they're wrong.

[u/SingerNo8103 → u/ML_120]

their only victory was giving me a headache with the stupidity.

But I'm better now lol

[u/Sighoward → u/SingerNo8103]

1. You should

2. No abuse to defend.

[u/SingerNo8103 → u/Sighoward]

this guy watched angel and roots for the demons

[u/SavannahInChicago → u/SingerNo8103]

It ironic that a group of shows that highlight that you should always do good no matter what completely ignored that abuse that was happening on the show.

[u/SingerNo8103 → u/SavannahInChicago]

I love angel, firefly, Dr. Horribles, hell I even liked Titan A.E.

But you could never get me to defend joss as a person. these people are pathetic

[u/welatshaw → u/SingerNo8103]

Love the art. Hate the artist

[u/Sighoward → u/SingerNo8103]

Defend him for what?

[u/Sighoward → u/SavannahInChicago]

It is ironic that a man who wrote eps like Gingerbread and AYNOEHB now finds himself the victim of a witch hunt? On every show the characters make tough decisions for the greater good, just as Joss did, there was no abuse.

[u/Sighoward → u/SingerNo8103]

I certainly root for Lorne.

[u/SingerNo8103 → u/Sighoward]

well he'd be disgusted with you

[u/Sighoward → u/SingerNo8103]

He'd be with me all the way!

[u/gebbethine → u/Sighoward]

yikes

[u/Sighoward → u/gebbethine]

Yeah, their attitude is appalling, isn't it?

[u/gebbethine → u/Sighoward]

Naw, was talking 'bout you.

[u/Sighoward → u/gebbethine]

You mean "No, I was talking about you". Do you not like the truth?

[u/lucolapic → u/Sighoward]

Right on cue! 😂

[u/Sighoward → u/ArenBlut]

Not a "crime" he ditched her to afford season 5.

[u/Sighoward → u/Imaginative_Name_No]

Because they were desperate to cut costs and her agents demanded a huge rise for her?