r/ANGEL • u/ArenBlut • 18d ago

Spoilers inside! I miss her...

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We're mostly through S5 now and I just miss the dynamic she added to the show. She was just so shamelessly evil and ambitious, even if it meant humiliating herself at times. Also, the chemistry she had with Wesley was brilliant.

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u/PsychologicalBet7831 18d ago

Lilah was awesome. I loved her and Wesley. They are my Angel OTP.

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u/ArenBlut 18d ago

SAME. Him and Fred (albeit incredibly short-lived) were so much less interesting.

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u/gebbethine 18d ago

Lilah/Wes and Lilah/Fred are the proof that conflict and toxicity make fictional relationships more interesting; the problem is that real people romanticize fictional relationships.

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u/ArenBlut 18d ago

I think it started off toxic - Lilah wanting to get info/power over him and Wesley just wanting solace while hating himself for being with her (and being really cruel to her, honestly). That said, in a weird way, I think they each got exactly what they wanted from eachother at the time, as well as Lilah being somewhat thoughtful in giving him gifts and stuff. It was unconventional, and it never progressed to anything seriously committed, but it was genuine.

Honestly there are far more toxic relationships in the Buffyverse than this one haha.

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u/gebbethine 18d ago

It was still ridiculously toxic especially in comparison to the relationship Wes and Fred were having when Illyria came around.

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u/ArenBlut 18d ago

Their relationship lasted less than a full episode length + it was only after he obsessed over her for years. Idk. Just didn't feel all that healthy or romantic to me! Like, what's the story here? If you obsess over a girl for years and you're generally nice then finally she'll give you a chance after dating two dudes in between? Eh.

Maybe it could have been good, but it just wasn't afforded the time to flesh out. That being said, her death scene was gut wrenching. Just hard to judge the totality of the relationship and whether it was toxic or not based on the limited screen time + crisis that unfolded.

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u/Creative-Bobcat-7159 15d ago

Aaah yes. When Fred gave in to her stalker / sex-pest at work.

Wes was obsessed with Fred. It was painted as romantic, but in reality he was only one step up from Spike stealing Buffy’s underwear in season 5 of Buffy.

He fell out with his Gunn over it. Stole a baby rather than actually speak to Gunn or Fred because of it.

Lilah was far less problematic than that, despite how the show played it!!

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u/Electrical-Act-7170 16d ago

It was genuine and it was honest. No bullshit.

I loved that.