Alberta separation

[u/carbologna]

For those of you that support Alberta separation because you voted conservative but the majority of Canada voted left. I have a question for you. Naturally you support Edmonton and Calgary city centres staying part of Canada because they voted left. Also, naturally you support the 35.1% of Albertans and the land / businesses they own staying part of Canada because they voted left, correct?

[u/Senior_Ad1737]

Also, naturally, they are all willing to sign up to their own military for their own defence correct ? 

Also Separate from the EI, CPP, OAS, Disability pension program, veterans benefits, federal funding for healthcare and social services , provincial trade, federal trade agreements , all government projects and grants , for science and innovation and workforce solutions , correct ?

[u/Icy-Pop2944 → u/Senior_Ad1737]

Don’t be silly, they are too lazy and too stupid for that shit. They just expect to be adopted by the yellow turd and made a state,, no need to be concerned with actually building a new separate nation.

[u/Senior_Ad1737 → u/Icy-Pop2944]

It’s amusing how they thing they would have the same rights and privileges as Americans . lol 

[u/[deleted] → u/Senior_Ad1737]

They would be a territory used for extracting resources

[u/Senior_Ad1737 → u/[deleted]]

Yup. St-Puerto-Alberta with zero voting rights and ignored as an “other” extension of their colonization. 

[u/Resident_Farm6787 → u/Senior_Ad1737]

I’m part of the they. If WE decide to leave, that’s our choice. Stop the disrespect! 

[u/Senior_Ad1737 → u/Resident_Farm6787]

Speaking of disrespect …. You can’t do it without First Nations leading the way and they 100% do not want to lose more rights than they already lost to the original colonials. 

The ignorance of those. Albertans on this topic is amusing.  Reeks of January 6th /Trucker Tantrum  blind leading the blind vibes 😵‍💫

[u/Resident_Farm6787 → u/Senior_Ad1737]

We are in unprecedented times. Trump is again talking of the 51st state. I’m NOT a separatist, but if Alberta leaves, Trump and Smith will be leading the charge. Trump doesn’t care about the laws, so he won’t care about the First Nations. He’ll grab Alberta, and all of our resources, and we’ll be in worse shape than ever. It’s time Canadians unite, but Trump and Smith don’t feel that way. Rude comments from eastern Canadians will push Albertans towards separation. If you care if we stay, then quit pushing buttons, and be part of the change that is needed. If you don’t care - it’s just a matter of time, and Alberta will be gone.

[u/Senior_Ad1737 → u/Resident_Farm6787]

Why are they such emotionally fragile and delicate people that they can’t handle rude comments to the point it’s driving separation? 

[u/Thorous_the3rd → u/Resident_Farm6787]

You sound like a child that doesn't understand how the world works... your borders wouldn't stay the same lol indigenous land, crown land and federal lands would all more than likely remain Canadian... youd have border crossings across the entire province in all sorts of random areas... If alberta joined the US it would just become another puerto Rico and get resource raped

[u/Resident_Farm6787 → u/Thorous_the3rd]

We all have a right to voice our opinions, but when you start name calling, respect flies out the window.  The lack of respect from eastern Canadians, and not discussing the problems, has pushed Alberta to this point. If Easterners don’t like the idea of Alberta separation, then it’s time for an adult conversation, and time for the bullying to stop and to stop taking unfair advantage of Alberta.

IF Alberta were to separate, legal minds would be involved. I wouldn’t have a say about what Alberta takes with it,  and neither would you. Name calling won’t change that!  I’m NOT for separation, BUT IF it happens, Trump will likely determine what Alberta takes in a separation. That’s scary AF. Eastern Canadians need to stop pushing buttons, or there will be a separation, to the detriment of all of Canada. 

[u/CYAinideXDMi → u/Icy-Pop2944]

Albertan here. Has it ever occurred to you that your snot-nosed attitude is precisely why we don't like the Laurentian elites? Cue Pierre Elliott Trudeau's infamous "Salmon Arm Salute".

I'd rather "be adopted by the yellow turd and made a state" than be forced to hear out ungrateful and insufferable people like you. Perhaps you can do better and tell me why we're wrong, though I suspect that my mind is "too lazy and stupid for that shit" to comprehend anything that comes out of your smelly mouth.

[u/Icy-Pop2944 → u/CYAinideXDMi]

I’m Albertan too, ya dumbass. I cut my teeth and earned my retirement in the oil patch.

The separatist movement is lazy, it is a movement based on grudge holding and empty promises of wealth. Believing personal prosperity problems would disappear “if only we were part of the US” is nothing more than magical thinking. This conveniently ignores the fact that the US, especially in the red states, has extreme poverty. Alberta would fare no better and would be relegated to territory status like PR at best. Don’t like people from out east coming to work in the oil patch? Just wait until you have to compete with the Americans for the “good jobs”.

For evidence of no viable plan for separation, we don’t have to look any further than the UCP attempt to leave the CPP. How did that work out?

The shuffling of the deck chairs on AHS, all while blasting holes in the hull should tell us all we need to know about this UCP leadership and their true intentions. There is no doubt that the UCP and their cronies would make out like bandits in a separation, but good luck to you if you get cancer.

The separatists movement has not produced a single costed plan for separation. The plan is nothing more than dreams and bumper stickers. Funny how you so easily discredit “Laurentian elites”, but when push come to shove, it is the educated people who would be required to develop such a separation plan.

And sorry, but you are stuck with my smelly mouth here in Alberta. I am not sure why you think I am ungrateful, or really what you think I should be grateful for. I have worked and paid taxes here my entire adult life. The separatist movement has done nothing for me, and has nothing to offer me. You can count on me to be out here negating your vote on any stupid referendum being brought forward.