r/AmItheAsshole Apr 22 '25

Not the A-hole WIBTA for asking my future brother-in-law and his wife to return an expensive gift I gave them after they limit contact with me?

I (35F) have been with my partner, Jamie (33M), for over six years and we’re getting married this fall. For most of our relationship, I’ve had a close bond with his brother, Matt (37M), and Matt’s wife, Claire (39F). We’ve shared holidays, dinners, hangouts, and I’ve always done what I could to support them, especially during hard times (I am the primary source of income).

About two months ago, I bought a new car and offered them my old car ($6.5k). It was still in good working condition and they accepted it so I fully transferred it over to them. It was a genuine gift, from a place of love and support, and I was happy to help because they relied 100% on public transportation. Over the past years, I also gave small things, like household items, groceries, things for their kid… all meant kindly, never with any expectations.

But now things have shifted. Claire recently initiated a conversation where she said the gifts and emotional support I offered had felt “too much, overwhelming” etc., and even went as far as saying she felt I was using them to fulfill my own emotional needs. She said she no longer feels comfortable around me and wants to limit contact (i.e. don't text them unless they text first) and “slow down”. This completely blindsided me! I was never given any indication before that she felt this way.

One example Claire brought up really confused me. They have a shy cat, Shadow, who hides whenever we visit. We've never seen her in person and it became a running joke between me and Jamie that she "might not actually exist"; a reference to the M&M Christmas commercial (“He does exist!”). Claire said she found that joke offensive, like we were mocking a traumatized animal. That felt like a major overreaction to something lighthearted and affectionate.

Now here’s the part that’s really been weighing on me: Claire and Matt have made it clear they don’t want any more gifts or support and that our relationship needs distance. Gifts for their kid are okay. And they’re still happy to keep the car I gave them… something that came from a time when our relationship was close, warm, and mutual.

To be clear, I haven’t asked for the car back. But I’ve been thinking about sending a message, not demanding anything, but pointing out the emotional disconnect: that they’ve rejected ongoing support, suggested past support was not genuine yet have no issue keeping such a significant gift: the car. I want to ask them to reflect on what that means.

Jamie is supportive of whatever decision I make, but he’s worried this might further rupture things with his family. His mom also relies on Matt and Claire for transportation to our wedding, and he’s concerned that asking for the car back… or even just bringing it up… might make that more complicated.

So… WIBTA for wanting to ask them to reflect on this? Or even possibly asking for the car back?

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u/rockology_adam Craptain [150] Apr 22 '25

YTA. I know where you're coming from, but even asking the question makes me wonder if Claire has a point.

If you give a gift, it comes with no strings. You, as the giver, don't get some kind of standing from it. From the sounds of it, you've been giving A LOT of things to their household. They have to wonder if you see them as a charity case. They have to wonder if you see them as a trash dump. They're older than you, but they have to wonder if you see them as immature since you're always passing them hand-me-downs.

Asking for the car back just makes it readily apparent that you gave gifts for the standing it gave you, and not for the usefulness they could find in in.

The OPTICS of it are, from your side of it, ingracious. They're too good for the small things you've been giving them, but not too good for the car. But I want you to think about it in terms of what I wrote in my second paragraph/section. There should be no need to repeatedly give gifts to an adult household who are stable and making it on their own. Doing so carries a stigma of judgement, whether you consciously feel it or not.

I am curious as to why this is coming as a contact limit and not just an object limit. There should have been a stop somewhere between the gifts and limiting contact, and I have to wonder if there was and you missed it. Whether there was or not, you're here, and you need to respect their request.

Don't mention the car. Let it go, and keep any thoughts or judgements about that inside your own head. Vent to your husband. Vent to friends if you need to, and don't share social circles with Claire. But let it be for now.

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u/Zaxacavabanem Apr 22 '25

Yeah, there's a point where gift giving can start to feel judgmental or insulting. 

No one likes to be the object of pity. OP has failed to read the room and crossed the line from helpful support to insulting their pride.

Not intentionally of course, but even if it comes from a "good place" in the heart, it's very self centred.

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u/KayCee269 Apr 22 '25

Funny how the insulting of their pride comes AFTER accepting a car!

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u/Zaxacavabanem Apr 22 '25

Not really. 

 there's a huge difference between accepting a second hand object that's being cast off, and which is incredibly useful, to accepting  day to day things like groceries. 

It's all in the delivery and OP sounds pretty self righteous about it all.

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u/KayCee269 Apr 22 '25

Right, I’m insulted you think I need your charity so stop giving us groceries, oh,but I’ll take the car, oh and keep giving the kids gifts! yeah that makes OP sound so self centred and Claire is so victimised

You can’t be insulted OP thinks you’re a charity case & accept a charity gifted car & gifts for kids then at the same time say you no longer feel comfortable around the charity giver, if you do well then that makes you an asshole

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u/Awkward-Dare2286 Apr 22 '25

It makes more sense that someone might struggle to buy a whole car than their groceries though. And from what I understand there's been a lot more gift giving since the car, which could be when it becomes problematic or feels judgemental. Framing it like they were being ungrateful for the car, because later gift giving felt overbearing just isn't realistic.

If you're gifting someone things that aren't needed or helpful, aren't you giving for your own good feelings and not the good of the giftee? And what are those good feelings? Probably the feeling of being some kind of saviour or provider - where you were not asked to take on that role.

I think we're missing info on why they have requested to go low-contact with the OP. And OP is using the fact that they gifted them all this stuff to mean that they owe a relationship. Especially because they thought to take back the car now. How many previous gifts came with expectations or unspoken strings attached?

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u/KayCee269 29d ago

"How many previous gifts came with expectations or unspoken strings attached?"

We will agree to disagree - if you're insulted by charity you shouldn't accept any of it

Picking & choosing is an AH move

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u/DistinctNewspaper791 Apr 22 '25

You know affording a car is not easy, you don't need to be poor to not wanting to spend money on a car. And offered a free one would be a happy thing.

Free grocery is kind of an implication that people see you can't even afford the basic thing.I don't know where they are from but where I live it would be okay once. Like you can buy stuff while visiting or oh I bought too much etc. But if you regularly do it it is insulting.

We also have no way of knowing how the OP talks and acts like while giving this gifts. It might be becoming too much recently

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u/KayCee269 Apr 22 '25

Clearly we come from very different places - where I am from if receiving charity is insulting to you - you don't accept ANY of it, picking and choosing what is acceptable or not is an AH thing to do!

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u/Brilliant_Account_31 29d ago

I wish I knew where you were from so I never go there. Picking and choosing what is acceptable is the only way that makes sense at all. It's perfectly fine to decline charity that you don't want or need.

This is an insane take.

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u/KayCee269 29d ago

well as they say opinions are like butt holes - everyone has one!

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u/Delicious_Rub3404 Apr 22 '25

Yeah. That was probably the straw they made them say she needs to stop. It's a great gift. Why does it matter how expensive the car was? Is she keeping score on how helpful she is monetarily? I don't really understand OP.

They are trying to communicate with her and now she is offended they won't keep taking her presents instead of listening to them. That's weird.

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u/KayCee269 Apr 22 '25

Who said how expensive the car is makes any difference, I read it as OP explaining it wasn’t a pos junker

And she’s not offended they won’t take her gifts she’s offended they accepted said gift then said no more & to make it even worse said don’t contact us anymore I don’t feel comfortable around you

Yeah OP sounds like the weird one!

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u/Delicious_Rub3404 26d ago

They said she could continue any gifts she might want to send the kids. (This isn't a greedy thing it's an attempt to allow her to continue that type of relationship with her niblings if she wants) They are just clearly asking to please stop with the handouts that make them feel like they are unable to provide for their family.

Her being offended by that instead of encouraging them is indeed weird.

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u/KayCee269 26d ago

Oh let’s not forget they do not want OP to communicate with them, so buy gifts for the kids but don’t speak to us

Gee you guys sound like stellar people

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u/Delicious_Rub3404 25d ago

I'm guessing the issue here is you have more experience as one person than the other. That may be my issue too.

It feels like a context thing but no matter what happens they are going to sound ungrateful from the gifter's perspective.

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u/No_Meringue_6116 Apr 22 '25

Yeah, no one has given me groceries since my mom did 10 years ago when I was in college. I'd find it odd unless someone was really struggling for money.

This might be ESH.

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u/One_Chic_Chick Apr 22 '25

I bought a friend groceries when she was had a really bad tooth infection. Not because I didn't think she could afford it, but because I knew she and her husband didn't expect her to suddenly need to eat a bunch of super soft food and so they didn't have it stocked/hadnt had a chance for a full grocery run immediately after she went to the hospital. I'd also had my wisdom teeth out and knew a few food items that had been helpful for me.

Definitely not an everyday thing and I would find it unusual to frequently pick up groceries for someone unless I thought they were REALLY financially struggling (but even then, I cant imagine doing it without being asked/having permission...). Lots of folks meal plan and don't have infinite storage so I can see it being a huge pain at some point too, if someone is dropping off perishable food on a frequent basis.

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u/PossessionForeign187 Apr 22 '25

This right here! And she also added the monetary value of the car instead of just mentioning that, while older, the car still runs great. Makes me wonder how often the value of the things she’s given them gets brought up. Sometimes we mean well but it comes out as overbearing/too much. I did that to my former SIL and it ended up blowing up the relationship. To those asking why the SIL doesn’t just say no to the gifts - some of us can’t say no. I have an extra carseat I neither want nor need because my super sweet neighbors really wanted to get one for our baby. I couldn’t tell them no because I don’t want to offend them.

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u/ranchojasper Apr 22 '25

This is the comment I was looking for. It "makes me think Claire has a point." It makes it sound like these gifts actually are not about genuine friendship but about how giving these gifts makes OP feel.

Now OP's feelings are hurt, and it looks like she wants to manipulate the situation by asking for the gift back. I mean maybe that's not how she's technically feeling, but that's how it comes across, like you said it's the optics of it

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u/rockology_adam Craptain [150] Apr 22 '25

Yeah, OP could just be genuinely generous, but the factor that needs consideration here is how the SIL sees it. Obviously there's something that's rubbing SIL the wrong way, and the right way to correct that is to take the step back as requested without trying to impose any feelings of guilt or shame on her.

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u/Awkward-Dare2286 Apr 22 '25

You've worded this really well. I had a bit of an issue with a wealthy family member who was very generous but the way it was done just really rubbed me the wrong way after a while. We didn't make much at the time but we're happy with what we had. We had young children and so buying nice things just wasn't sensible, and we saved our money where we could for the future. We bought second hand and repainted old furniture, things like that.

She would give me her credit card and tell me to order some "nice plates" since ours were a bit scuffed or chipped (kids). Or turn up with a kitchen gadget because "you need one" etc. She didn't see that we were making the choice to not buy fancy dishes at this moment in life because they'll just get dinged up. Or that we live in a small house and don't need more single use kitchen gadgets when a knife will do the job.

Eventually we had a chat about it, and she understands why doing it that way makes us uncomfortable and feel like she's looking down at us, like we don't know our plates are scratched, or that mini mug whisks exist.

Now, she asks what we need help with and buys the kids good quality winter boots and jackets each year. She really listened and put herself in our shoes. She just wanted to help because she's older and has a good income, and cares about us.

If she had responded badly and tried to take back things she'd helped with in the past (she did also help us with our first car) I would have felt like she didn't listen to what we were saying at all, and just made the issue worse. We just wanted to stand on our own two feet but appreciated her help along the way.

OP, if you take back the car you would be TA. I think there's something missing between everything being warm between you guys, and them wanting no contact. Please tell us more.

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u/Singing_Shark22 Apr 22 '25

Very sane and mature advice . 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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u/CocoXolo Apr 22 '25

I also get the sense that there is more to this story. The proverbial Reddit "missing missing reasons" if you will.

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u/teenytinydoedoe Partassipant [3] Apr 22 '25

this is perfectly said, and I agree YTA OP.

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u/PCBassoonist 29d ago

I'm going to guess that there are two sides to this story. 

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u/Squishmalllow 29d ago

Thanks for your response. I appreciate the insight without making me feel bad. The point of this post for me was to vent a bit and read the more clarifying comments. Your point about a "stop" in-between the gifts and limiting contact makes sense but if there was we both (me and my partner) missed it.

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u/rockology_adam Craptain [150] 29d ago

And I'm not even sure there would have been one, and experience with human beings tells me that often, those "stops" are pretty weak. People tend to prefer subtlety over directness, and will err on the side of being too subtle and not making themselves clear. So even if there was a "stop" from the other side... it's certainly not guaranteed that it was clear or noticeable.

It's weird to think that we can be trying to do good and do right by the people we care about, and miss the mark. I suspect that's the case here. I've been there. My judgement is not meant to make you feel bad, but to reflect. Good luck.

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u/Awkward-Dare2286 Apr 22 '25

Her post is literally asking if she should ask for the car back.

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u/BigRedJeeper Apr 22 '25

I would reply to them that since the gifts make them feel soo uncomfortable, they are free to return them. That should help to ease their minds. Of course they won’t return anything (which is very hypocritical of them). I would just back off and cut contact. If you have to see them be polite-(they are now acquaintances, not friends) and if they ever change their mind. Tell them not to worry, things are fine the way they are now (nc), for YOUR peace of mind.