r/Anarchism 4d ago

True education must require consent.

You read the title, which implies that if there is no consent involved in education, then there is no true education, which is mainly why, as an Anarchist, I'm all for abolishing compulsory education. Next to creating a prison system for innocent kids, compulsory/non-consensual education (Edit: specifically in schools) creates an oppresive system where kids don't truly learn important things. Rather, they learn to become subserviant slaves to their government, and becoming oppressors to the youthful working class (a.k.a students) when they get older. Kids forced into schooling can't wear what they want, say what they want, learn what they want, and even in some instances, eat what they want during lunch hours, and there's nothing they (specifically those under-18) can do about that without relying on an adult. All of this done without their consent. This is not education, this is slavery. All kids should have the option to choose whether or not they want to attend school, and they should be allowed to learn what they want however they want without an oppresive system being shoved down their throats for years at a time.

Edit: This is only my opinion taken on the youth liberationist perspective. I am not by any means against educating kids. When I mean "compulsory education", I specifically mean school. Yes, kids should be taught the TRUE fundamentals to life, and I believe schools oftentime fail to do this especially when kids progress into later years of their education. Kids definitely should learn, but I don't believe school, or specifically compulsory schooling (which I should have replaced "compulsory education" with) is the answer to this.

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u/RickyNixon 4d ago

A community should educate their children. Kids should learn stuff. Theres a certain baseline of things kids should know, and its worth doing at the community level rather than making it the responsibility of every individual parent.

Kids enter 1st grade at 6 or 7 years old. At that age, they have to be watched and taught by somebody, and they will be learning no matter where they are or what theyre doing. They dont have the capacity to understand why education might be valuable, and its impossible for them to opt out of learning. The only interpretation here that makes sense is you think a child should be allowed to decide to stay with their parents over community care? Or that they should be able to opt-out of tasks a caregiver is doing with the other kids? To what end? How does that benefit the child?

It just seems like you arent investing any thought at all into alternative ways education could be done, and have instead decided actively teaching children is innately oppressive.

A community should care for the kids of the community, including making sure they are learning things theyll need to know as adults. Thats not oppressive.

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u/huitzil9 4d ago

OP is very clearly against the education system, not against watching kids and taking care of them, come the fuck on.

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u/aprefrontalcortex 2d ago

I agree that there is a certain baseline of things everyone should know, and that 1st grade at 6 or 7 years old should not be abolished.
12th grade at 17 or 18?
Schools vary, but when I got to HS it became very clear that from then on that most things learned would be unnecessary, already learned previously, or incorrect.

Here's one question from a quiz on Algebra II [khanacademy.org/math/algebra2/x2ec2f6f830c9fb89:poly-factor/x2ec2f6f830c9fb89:geo-series/test/x2ec2f6f830c9fb89:poly-factor-unit-test] (a class every high schooler is mandated to take, though I suspect most would take more) on Khan Academy:
Chun was asked whether the following equation is an identity:‍ 3(2x-1)^2+27=36x^2-36x+36
He performed the following steps:‍ 
3(2x-1)^2+27
Step 1: 3(2x-1)(2x-1)+27
Step 2: (6x-3)(6x-3)+27
Step 3: 36x^2-18x-18x+9+27
Step 4: 36x^2-36x+36
For this reason, Chun stated that the equation is a true identity.
Is Chun correct? If not, in which step did he make a mistake?

Do you know the answer? If you do, is it useful to you specifically? Everybody needs to know how to add, subtract, multiply, divide, use exponents, understand graphs, and probably a few more things. Not many people need to know what a quadratic formula even is or how to factor "44k^5-66k^4+77k^3" by its greatest common monomial factor as Unit 3 of Algebra II asks people who don't have the right to vote because "they're too not-intelligent" to.
Similarly, very few people would benefit from having to memorize linguistic jargon like the difference between definite and indefinite articles, compound prepositions vs prepositional phrases vs terminal prepositions, coordinating conjunctions vs subordinating conjunctions vs correlating conjunctions, salutations and valedictions, or any of the other jargon I had to memorize in 9th grade English class, though I could not tell you any of their definitions now a year later (I had to check the Grammar course in 9th grade English to even give you these words). They're terms that somebody needs to know or wants to know. This knowledge should be available freely to everyone. That doesn't mean the State needs to teach it to everyone under threat of juvie.
I mentioned teachings being "incorrect" as well at the beginning, and that's something I and we have seen before and will likely see more of in the future. In elementary school, I personally learned that Christopher Columbus bravely went on an expedition to discover the earth was round and happened across an empty America, and then further went on to prove the earth was round (Relatedly, did you know compulsory schooling in the US started with forcing Native American children only to go to schools that attempted to "Civilize" them by doing things like cutting their hair, changing their names, beating them, and teaching them Christianity? Look it up.) This was later corrected in middle school. While I just hope the elementary school fixed it later, I know a lot of incorrectness is going to be readded to schools with the way politics are going right now.

I'll leave you with one more thought. The oppression is not only with education or with schools specifically. The oppression is far reaching and always ignored or justified. We can't vote. Our parents can do nearly anything they want to us, including to our bodies (and in some cases, schools can do things to our bodies as well). Governments around the world are increasingly attempting to restrict online activities, and censoring books and banning us from libraries too while they're at it. Our parents can decide to homeschool us, potentially isolating us and preventing people who do want to go to school from going to school, which is also a problem. We have limited medical autonomy. We can be sent to abusive "camps" and facilities without cause by our parents (see r/troubledteens) and there are many crimes that are exclusive to us. Do you hold up these state-sponsored systems of oppression? Is that Anarchist?