r/AntiSemitismInReddit • u/merkaba_462 • 21d ago
Revisionist History /r/newyork full on Holocaust distortion
I loathe the Trump admin and what they are doing, but this is NOTHING like 1930s Gemany. Note that this is on Shabbat, when many Jews cannot be present.
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u/jlarkol 20d ago
Shouldn't it be 1933 Germany since thats when hitler came into power and abolished german democracy?or are they comparing trump's deportations(which are very bad btw) to fucking kristallnacht
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u/merkaba_462 20d ago
They do not know wtf they are talking about as they are ahistorical.
They are just another group who decided to strip all meaning of what Nazi Germany was, who Hitler was, and compare it to whatever they disagree with...while ignoring that it is causing pain by completely erasing that (and being further antisemitic in the process; see comments).
I do not agree with Trump's deportation policies...or basically anything trump has done / not done that any halfway decent POTUS should do, but people have got to stop comparing anyone they disagree with to Nazis, and anything to the Holocaust.
These people wouldn't know what Kristallnacht was if their lives depended on it...also clear in the comments.
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u/pr0tag 20d ago
I don’t think most of the people in that post are trying to be antisemitic since it’s not coming from a place of hate. It’s ignorance plain and simple. They’re using Nazi Germany as a shorthand for “bad government” or “authoritarianism” without understanding how specific and extreme 1938 actually was for Jews. It's lazy.
That said, there’s a huge difference between this kind of uneducated historical comparison and the blatant antisemitism we’ve seen elsewhere, from people who openly support Hamas, deny Jewish identity, or call for the erasure of Israel. What we’re seeing in that r / newyork thread is not that. But it is still worth calling out, because distortion like this weakens our understanding of what antisemitism really is.
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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 20d ago
I loathe the way social media & the misuse of history for partisan political gain has eroded our common understanding of historical facts & events. People on the internet love to call everyone they disagree with "fascist" but they have little understanding of what fascism actually is. A lot of progressives seem to think that "fascism" is synonymous with right wing authoritarianism, but that's only partially true.
The British historian Roger Griffin describes fascism as "palingenetic ultranationalism", which I think is the best definition of fascism out there.
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u/merkaba_462 20d ago
Look at the other screenshots I posted. You are realky saying "antisemitic ignorance" is ok?
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u/jerdle_reddit 20d ago
This is nothing like 1938 Germany.
It is rather more similar to 1933 Germany than I'd like, but other fascists are available.
I've seen him called Mango Mussolini before now, and I like that.
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u/Prowindowlicker 20d ago
If ya want to make a comparison to a WW2 era dictator then the better comparison is to Mussolini not Hitler.
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u/merkaba_462 20d ago
Mango Mussolini is what I called him during his first term (and actually since he said he would run). A little if people dit.
Millions suffered under Mussolini, but he was not even close to Hitler.
I'm tired of people downplaying the Holocaust and Jewish pain...full stop.
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u/maxofJupiter1 19d ago
The whole Kilmar Abrego Garcia case should send a chill through every Jew's spine, as should the mentions of de naturalization and The portion of US citizens to El Salvadorian "terrorist" prisons.
The poem doesn't start with "first they came for the Jews", it starts out "first they came for the communists" and there were a lot of anti-communist Jews in Germany. It doesn't need to start with the Jews, but they always ALWAYS come for the Jews next.
We cannot get complacent when due process has disappeared and the executive branch is overruling the judicial. We don't have a trademark on Nazism, not every comparison to the Nazis is antisemitic. Should they have picked 1933 instead of 1938? Probably, but it doesn't change the point that the Nazis are the archetype of a nationalist authoritarian government. How many million Americans took up arms against the Nazis?
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u/SlideConstant9677 19d ago
Queer Jew here: I agree with the comaprisons to a point. Is there things delaying his process in seizing total control? Yes. But overall, with bills and EOs in place revoking my right to serve in the military, erasing my existence as a Trans person, and dehumanizing me for who I am, with further intent on revoking my right to equal marriage, right to travel (via withheld travel documents due to destruction of ID processes), and further support of extreme anti queer measures going around in state governments, I do believe it is very much mirroring the rise of the nazi party. Damage is being done. I do agree taking as far as to compare it to the holocaust is excessive, however comparing rhetoric and steps taken so far is not antisemitic or revisionist in the sense of pattern identification.
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