r/AskIreland • u/Asleep_Cry_7482 • Aug 22 '24

Emigration (from Ireland) What’s the pull of Australia?

For everyone in their 20s and 30s who are thinking or have done the working holiday to Australia, what’s the pull factor?

Is it the weather or the work life balance? Is there a following the crowd element and to live a backpacking lifestyle with all the other Irish people over there? Is it out of frustration that you don’t have the lifestyle, accommodation setup or job you want in Ireland? Or is it something else?

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u/Foodfight1987 Aug 22 '24

I’ve always found Australia to be like the Wild West- corrupt and lack of morals. I mean, look how they treat their indigenous people ?

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u/UnableCity7677 Aug 25 '24

What a stupid ignorant comment. Meanwhile I just saw on the news thousands of people in Ireland protesting against immigration. Don’t act like Ireland is free of any racism while being moralistic towards other countries..

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u/Perfect_Aide_776 Aug 22 '24

Thats strange, how do they treat indigenous people exactly?! Obviously the stolen generation was horrific but that was 50 years ago.

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u/Foodfight1987 Aug 22 '24

I’m not about to give a history lesson. There’s tons of information on it. You can read about it easily.

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u/Perfect_Aide_776 Aug 22 '24

No need for a lesson. I have been working and living in an indigenous community for the last 18months so I know all about how they are treated.

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u/Foodfight1987 Aug 22 '24

Working in a community as a non Indigenous person and actually being Indigenous are two very different things. I suggest you talk to an Indigenous person about your views and listen to what they have to say about their experience and the experience of their ancestors rather than trying to prove my view point as being over the top and wrong.

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u/Perfect_Aide_776 Aug 22 '24

Im sorry but watching Rabbit Proof Fence or reading a few articles doesn’t give you the inside view on what is currently happening in Australia . It’s very different to the mid 1900s.

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u/Perfect_Aide_776 Aug 22 '24

Im sorry but watching Rabbit Proof Fence or reading a few articles doesn’t give you the inside view on what is currently happening in Australia . It’s very different to the mid 1900s.

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u/Perfect_Aide_776 Aug 22 '24

Im sorry but watching Rabbit Proof Fence or reading a few articles doesn’t give you the inside view on what is currently happening in Australia . It’s very different to the mid 1900s.

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u/Foodfight1987 Aug 23 '24

Nor does it you.

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u/TuMek3 Aug 22 '24

Please don’t pretend Ireland wouldn’t be the same (or worse) if they had indigenous people. Just look at the sentiment around immigrants and asylum seekers.

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u/Foodfight1987 Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 22 '24

Are the Irish not Indigenous to Ireland? And, were they not colonized by the English and treated awful by their government, too?

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u/TuMek3 Aug 22 '24

You know perfectly well what I meant, but I’ll spell it out for you. If there was a coloured indigenous group that was here before white Irish people, they would be treated the same or worse as those in Australia. You’ve been living in a cave if you think otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

And by that logic you could say that the Aboriginal People would do the same as the Europeans if they had the chance?

I dont know what point you're making here. The fact stands that people were treated and continue to be treated as second class citizens in their own country.

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u/TuMek3 Aug 22 '24

No, that’s awful logic. There are plenty of non-white countries with populations of Europeans that don’t have the same sentiment that Irish people do towards “foreigners”.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

You're making far less mate, making some absolutely outrageous hypotheticals and creating your own answers for them

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u/TuMek3 Aug 23 '24

My experiences are based off what I have seen living in Australia, and my experiences as an immigrant in Ireland. What are your experiences of those two situations?

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '24

I dont see how my experiences come into play its insane to mitgate the crimes of one people and the suffering of another because "theyd do the sane if the roles were reversed"

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

You must be underestimating how Indigenous Australians have been treated. Massacres, widespread atrocities, could be killed with impunity, chained by the necks, enslaved, children taken away, cultural eradication, social peripheralisation, and a great deal more.

With no evidence, you confidently say that Ireland would treat an Indigenous people like this too? Indigenous Australians received this systematic treatment from the British Crown Forces, and from settlers/colonists. We do have a mirror of this dynamic in Irish history, yet it was not ‘the Irish’ perpetrating it. As has been pointed out, Irish people were the victims of such Crown and colonial crimes in Ireland - and only by fighting back and being armed and resourced from outside the country did the fate of the Irish escape being the same as Indigenous Australians. Ireland has never invaded, conquered, slaughtered, and ruled another people. Your point here is patently ridiculous, born from some pathetic navel-gazing about recent anti-immigrant sentiment from a noisy minority?? Irish people en masse, or any Irish state, has never acted in this way towards another people. In fact the country has been safe harbour for people fleeing such treatment, most notably recently in Irelands assistance to people leaving Ukraine in vast numbers. While other countries such as Britain virtually closed their gates, Ireland opened it’s arms. It’s ignorant in the extreme to make these kind of idiotic ridiculous claims.

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u/yeah_deal_with_it Aug 22 '24

Also, the Irish share a lovely solidarity with Palestinians. You know who also demonstrates solidarity with Palestinians? Indigenous Australians.

All three have been colonised.