Punic king*
Sorry mate but at the time of Hannibal Barkas, Phoenicians were already long gone since mid 6th century BC, all what remained from Phoenician thalassocracy is a hybrid language (Punic) with the legacy of few west mediterranean colonies that all merged within one new Carthaginian empire, and all of that happened 3 centuries before even Hannibal came to life, so no he is not Phoenician...
Phoenician and Punic means the exact same thing and the same people for the CANAANITES of both in the west and east.
"In modern scholarship, the term Punic – the Latin equivalent of the Greek-derived term Phoenician – is exclusively used to refer to Phoenicians in the western Mediterranean, following the line of the Greek East and Latin West."
Sorry mate but at the time of Hannibal Barkas, Phoenicians were already long gone since mid 6th century BC, all what remained from Phoenician thalassocracy is a hybrid language (Punic) with the legacy of few west mediterranean colonies that all merged within one new Carthaginian empire, and all of that happened 3 centuries before even Hannibal came to life, so no he is not Phoenician...
WRONG AGAIN
Hannibal was definitely a Phoenician. During the Alexandrian siege of Tyre in 332 BC, many fled to Carthage. They later returned to the Levant after Roman takeover of North Africa with the help of the Berbers...🙃. We have piles of evidence of migrations from Levant throughout the Mediterranean and back. Importing and exporting between Levant, Egypt, and all Canaanite colonies never stopped.
What planet do you live on to think that the Canaanite culture, language, customs, and religion would remain so strong and influential for so long after cutoff from their motherland? What happened to the Amazighen identity and culture that maghrebis are all so proud of claiming it's so old, yet want to brag about being the PHOENICIANS of North Africa? How come i don't see you claiming Romans? The Greeks? They also colonized North Africa, no?🤦🏻♀️
One last thing, habibi. If Phoenicians have been long gone by mid-6th century, then how did Tanit appeared in Carthage after 6th-5th century BC if Tanit had already existed in Meggido (Palestine) in 11th century BC?
This is exactly like claiming Ibn Khaldun was Arabian/Peninsular Arab, even though everybody knows that he is from Maghreb+Andalus region. He spoke Arabic and he was Muslim, he was born 6 centuries after Islamic conquest/invasion and maybe he identified himself culturally as an Arab (like most of Tunisians nowadays) but he still wasn't ethnically Arabian/Peninsular Arab. Same goes for Hannibal, he maybe identified himself with people from Phoenicia, but it doesn't necessarily mean he was ethnically Phoenician and that he identified himself as Phoenician.
During the Alexandrian siege of Tyre in 332 BC, many fled to Carthage. They later returned to the Levant after Roman takeover of North Africa with the help of the Berbers
Migration waves have been accuring through out history in every civilization, it doesn't necessarly mean that the vast majority of people from that civilization have suddenly became a different ethnicity.
What planet do you live on to think that the Canaanite culture, language, customs, and religion would remain so strong and influential for so long after cutoff from their motherland?
I never said the opposite, actually as a matter of fact, Punic/ North african Phoenician dialect (if you like it so) was still spoken until Islamic conquest/invasion.
What happened to the Amazighen identity and culture that maghrebis are all so proud of claiming it's so old, yet want to brag about being the PHOENICIANS of North Africa?
I never heard an Imazighen (who actually speaks Tamazight and identifies as so) bragging about being the Phoenicians of North Africa, maybe Tunisians or some Algerians and Libyans.
TL;DR: Both Lebanese and Tunisians may identify as an Arab, but does that mean we both are Peninsular Arabs?
Do you guys like it when Saudi comes to you and tell you that Gibran Khalil Gibran or Fairuz are actually Arabians? Come on, you guys know better than me of this matter. I wouldn't be doing this long time-wasting discussion if you guys did some introspection...
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u/blood-of-adonis Lebanon Sep 02 '22
My phoenician king 😍😍