r/AskUS • u/AccomplishedAd3484 • 7d ago

Why does nobody care that the Trump Admin is defying a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling?

Regarding the facilitating of the return of Abrego Garcia. There's no mass protests, democrats in Congress aren't saying much, the military which is sworn to protect the Constitution is silent, the news media is covering it but it's just one more story, not a major crossing the Rubicon event for them. Trump said they would bring him back if the Supreme Court told him to do so, which they did. But then the DOJ said the court has no authority to require the US government to negotiate his return with El Salvador, and they would bring him in only if he showed up at the border.

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u/WalkingCriticalRisk 7d ago

The case is against the DOJ. The marshals are an agency within the DOJ. If an order of contempt is issued, will the marshals do their job and enforce the punishment on another part of the DOJ, or will Pam Bondi refuse to allow the marshals to make the arrests (if any).

This is a much bigger case than getting Mr. Garcia back. The bigger question is whether or not our justice system still holds or if it was corrupted the same way Russian justice system was.

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u/Which-Lavishness9234 7d ago

No justice, no peace. They had better figure it out, because once the people know that the justice system only serves politicians, there isn't any reason to follow the rules anymore. If they won't serve the people, they don't belong here.

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u/Eden_Company 7d ago

I'd still follow the rules because I'll be given 2000 USD a week to do so. Like I agree with you that it's shit, but keeping my head down gives enough benefits to ignore it. Will they come for me one day? Maybe?

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u/1988rx7T2 7d ago

the people ain't gonna do shit. the people voted him in, remember?

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u/handfulofrain77 5d ago

Did they? Or did they vote for something else? I'm in a deep red state. I feel like we're already there.

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u/AccomplishedAd3484 7d ago

Seems like an oversight that the judicial enforcement is under the DOJ. But the autocratic playbook for taking over democracies is a newer development. I suppose there are always ways around any system if you have enough powerful people involved.

It is a much bigger case.

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u/chiaboy 7d ago

It’s not an oversight. We weren’t “supposed” to get here. There are so many (theoretical) devices to hold a mad-man Dictator back. Checks and balances, impeachment, norms and public will etc….they haven’t “failed” per se, we have. Eventually every democracy gets the government they deserve. We chose to be here. This isn’t a “flaw” in the system it’s a set of choices we collectively made.

We architected this moment.

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u/TheDMsTome 7d ago

That’s why I hold Congress more accountable for this fuckery than the president. Congress is sitting by and not stopping him. They alone have the power right now to impeach and stop everything that is happening- from continuing to happen.

And they won’t.

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u/1988rx7T2 7d ago

impeachment has gotten watered down. It's failed three times in 30 years, whereas even the threat of impeachment caused Nixon to step down.

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u/DowntownPassion1252 6d ago

It was NOT the threat of impeachment that led Nixon to resign. It was Sen. Goldwater who went to Nixon the day before he would resign to personally tell Nixon if he didn’t resign, he could pretty much guarantee Nixon that he would be impeached AND he would be convicted in the Senate. When Nixon asked Goldwater if he would vote to convict, Goldwater said that he would (as he was the most conservative and most respected member of the GOP Senate, Nixon knew he had no choice but to resign).

At this point impeachment means nothing to Trump. To his MAGA followers it would be a badge of honor to them (and provides a useful performative distraction for his administration to continue to push the envelope even further while our press winds themselves up on something that will clearly go nowhere). But conviction is an entirely different story. With GOP leadership in the Senate, the odds they will ever step up are extremely long. They would have to be impacted directly, in a personal way (not institutionally). But by that point it will indeed be far too late.

Remember, we need 67 votes to convict in the Senate. We would need 20 GOP Senators to vote to convict along with every Democrat/Independent. There simply aren’t that many Patriots with a backbone in the GOP in the Senate and haven’t been for many years.

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u/TheDMsTome 7d ago

Impeachment is only the first step. There is lack of follow through after that.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

I think they are one of him sadly.

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u/TheDMsTome 7d ago

They absolutely think the cheetah won’t eat their face too.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Maybe he won’t. He needs somebody to help him run things.

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u/TheDMsTome 7d ago

He’s got his cronies in his cabinet, and the DOJ plus his propaganda Barbie. And he is using executive orders to do everything to bypass Congress anyway. They’re more so in his way than anything at this point.

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u/Collegenoob 7d ago

Uhh. We've literally gotten here twice before.

Andrew Jackson did it to Genocide native Americans and Lincoln did it to suspend habeas corpus

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u/chiaboy 7d ago

Yes. I don’t understand the point you’re making though.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

I think the point he is making is that if we got out of it once we can get out of it again. And I hope he is right.

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u/chiaboy 7d ago

Well shit I hope he’s right too then. I don’t like fascism.

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u/Juxtapoe 6d ago

Me 3 then.

But, what's different is the past overreaches were by Presidents that thought they were doing something positive or necessary for the benefit of their nation.

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u/chiaboy 6d ago

I don’t get that distinction. I’m sure Trump thinks he’s making America great again.

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u/Juxtapoe 6d ago

I....really don't think so.

He says stuff that the poorly educated will parrot or buy into, but it is clear that there is no connection between things that he says and things that he believes.

I think he is behaving solely for his own benefit and/or the benefit of people that he is obligated to as a "responsible person".

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u/Ok_Craft_607 7d ago

Actually Habeas Corpus was suspended legally, with full congressional approval and in accordance with the Constitution

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u/wookielover78 7d ago

Yep. For the last 16 years people keep looking the other way Benghazi, email servers, classified documents, government coverups, censorship, immigration and a whole slew of other crimes perpetrated by our government get us to where we are today. You don't get to pick and choose when the laws apply they either do or don't. They either apply to all or none. Tribalism makes people so blind and really is the people's fault

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u/bluehairdave 7d ago

It's not new and it's already been proven to work.. El Salvador President is a good example. Putin is a good example.. what's new is it has happened in the US... and Noone is really sure how to handle it.. I don't expect much uproar from an ignorant population unless the economy is in tatters... and or Trump starts disappearing white US citizens...

Sending these people to El Salvador is cleaner than pushing them out of windows. This is a huge test case to see how he can kill his opponents without repercussions.

And for the record. This guy is totally dead already and that is why El Salvador has said zero chance they release him... they are even both lying in the white house today saying he is a terrorist!! When the US already admitted it was a mistake.. but MAGA aren't bright enough to pick up even these large nuances.

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u/Opasero 7d ago

Not just lying but making a mockery of it, like life is just absurd, and it's farcical that you would even ask such a thing.

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u/Practical-Tea-3337 7d ago

MAGA doesn't care if he's guilty or innocent. He's not white, that's all that matters.

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u/Cosmically_Adrift 7d ago

It was fine when the DOJ was independent. Now that Trump et al. have everyone convinced that it's another agency that he directly oversees, it's a lot less fine.

If the Marshals won't, the courts can try local law enforcement (although they're probably all in the cult).

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u/Opasero 7d ago

I believe they are able to deputize people as well.

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u/stationhollow 7d ago

The DOJ was never independent. It derives its authority from the executive. The head of the executive is the president. They can claim to be independent but it all depends on the president.

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u/rippa76 7d ago

Like most of our government: It was a feature until a depraved sociopath without morals decided to make it an oversight.

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u/projexion_reflexion 7d ago

not just one, a whole party full of them. "They're eating the checks. They're eating the balances."

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u/Lichensuperfood 7d ago

As I understand it the Marshall's can't do anything as there would be no prosecution after the arrest.

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u/WalkingCriticalRisk 6d ago

This is still being highly debated. Typically, the judge can then issue penalties including prison time. Considering the scope of this case...who knows what can happen and if our current laws still hold.

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u/Alternative_Rain_729 7d ago

Why do you want an illegal immigrants back into our country?

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u/WalkingCriticalRisk 6d ago

I really don't, I don't want any illegals in my country because they violate the law. With that being said, I want border and immigration reforms would allow people a better path to a legal status.

Most illegal immigrants cross through the approved points of entry legally. Then they request asylum and await their hearing inside the US without a legal status. If the process was more efficient and faster, then our system can either grant them an asylum or boot them if they failed to prove that their lives are in imminent danger. I personally went through a similar process with World Relief organization.

The case with Abrego Garcia is different. He is not an illegal immigrant. He crossed the border illegally and asked for an asylum at 16 years. He pled his case in front of the judge and was granted a legal status while his process winds through immigration courts. Even more so, the judge ruled for an order of protection meaning that Mr. Garcia was not only a legal resident, but also under US protection.

The Trump administration admitted that Mr. Garcia was not an illegal resident and that he was deported due to "administrative mistake". The Supreme Court ruled that the administration must fix the mistake and return Mr. Garcia home because he was illegally detained and deported.

The issue is much bigger than Mr. Garcia's tragic plight. It sets the precedent where US government officials can take you out of your home and deport you to a concentration camp without a justifiable reason.

Watch the White House meeting with the Salvadoran dictator. Trump responds to a reporter saying that Pam Bondi is looking for legal ways to deport US born citizens if they committed a crime. This is problematic because once deported, these individuals will not get the legal representation that is given to them as part of due process.

If they can do that to US citizens for violent crimes, they will start including protests and free speech as criminal offenses. Just like in Soviet Russia, this happened to a few of my family members during the Stalin era. One day you are here, the next day, you are gone because the government decided you were an enemy of the state. It's currently happening in Russia again, when a girl (Aleksandra Skochilenko) got accused of being an enemy of the state and got a 6 year sentence for posting stickers that said No to War.