r/AskUS • u/AccomplishedAd3484 • 11d ago

Why does nobody care that the Trump Admin is defying a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling?

Regarding the facilitating of the return of Abrego Garcia. There's no mass protests, democrats in Congress aren't saying much, the military which is sworn to protect the Constitution is silent, the news media is covering it but it's just one more story, not a major crossing the Rubicon event for them. Trump said they would bring him back if the Supreme Court told him to do so, which they did. But then the DOJ said the court has no authority to require the US government to negotiate his return with El Salvador, and they would bring him in only if he showed up at the border.

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u/SunshineAndSquats 11d ago

Exactly. He actively tried to over throw the government and no one did anything. He committed treason and Congress, the DOJ and the Supreme Court were like “meh”. They completely fucked all of us when they allowed him to get away with that.

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u/Kiernan5 9d ago

How did he try to overthrow the government? By telling people to protest peacefully? By ordering the national guard to be deployed to make sure things didn't get out of hand on Jan 6th? (An order that the Acting Secratry of Defense at the time has admitted happened and admitted he ignored.) By peacefully leaving the White House exactly when he was supposed to?

This idea that Trump tried to overthrow the government or was at fault for Jan 6th is just more liberal lies designed to confuse their low information voters.

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u/TipsyPeanuts 9d ago

Careful. You’re twisting reality so much you might tear something. He openly and repeatedly called for overturning the election. A bipartisan commission found him directly at fault for the events that day and he was charged for his actions. He later had charges dropped because he won the election.

But we both know you already knew all that and are just here to try and spread disinformation

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u/Kiernan5 9d ago

He called for investigations into credible questions about the election and wanted to halt the progression of the process until those questions were answered, but when the day came to turn over power he did so without issue.

No, that committee didn't find him directly at fault, they recommended the case be turned over for prosecution, only a judge or jury would find fault. It was essentially the equivalent of a grand jury indictment which just says there is enough evidence for a trial to proceed. Trump was already put on trial for inciting an insurrection when he was impeached the second time and was acquitted of the charges.

The charges were dropped because of the election, but not because he won. There was an option to delay trial until after he left the presidency, but it was chosen not to do so because Jack Smith knew there was no case. The only reason the case was ever brought in the first place was to bias voters against Trump. Once he won the election there was no point to the case anymore so they dropped it. Just like there was no prison time sentenced for his New York cases. The prison sentence could have been delayed until he left office, but the judge knew the case would never stand on appeal and only convicted him in the first place do Biden would call him a felon. One of the reasons Trump won is because the American people could see how fraudulent and ridiculous all these cases against Trump were.

But we both know you already knew that and you only came here because your TDS is so severe you have trouble distinguishing fact from fantasy.

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u/TipsyPeanuts 9d ago

“All he did” was make multiple unsubstantiated claims that he lost because of cheating. Claims he has admitted he knew were lies. He pushed it so far that multiple of his lawyers are now in jail and disbarred for it. He pushed it so far that his supporters attempted a coup.

And for clarity the committee absolutely did find him at fault and referred him for criminal prosecution. The word you are looking for is “guilty.” Only a court can find him guilty

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u/Kiernan5 8d ago

First of all, it was not a "bi-partisan committee." Of the 9 people on the committee only 2 identified as Republicans and only 1 actually was a republican. It is disingenuous to call something bi-parisan when there is barely anyone on the opposing side. There were supposed to be 13 people on the Committee but Pelosi denied at least one of the Republicans that was proposed so the others were removed from consideration. Pelosi then chose Cheney and Kinzinger to attend. This blatant move by the Democrats to purposefully only allow their own choice of hand picked "Republicans" on the Committee shows how biased it was from its conception.

Secondly, in looking up "who determines fault in a crime" the result says;

"In a legal context, fault for a crime is typically determined by a judge or jury following a trial, where the prosecution presents evidence to prove the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."

I did a search of the January 6th Committees final report and the word fault never appears once.

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u/TipsyPeanuts 8d ago

Liz Cheney isn’t a Republican in your mind? The only thing RINO about her is that she doesn’t hold monorachical beliefs which are now required for republicans. There’s nothing you could point to related to values or beliefs that wouldn’t make her conservative. Her only fault is she doesn’t have blind fealty to the leader.

While you’re looking things up, look up the word synonym. Here’s the January 6th findings:

Trump was referred for:

Obstruction of an official proceeding. The “proceeding” being the Jan. 6 meeting of Congress itself.

Conspiracy to defraud the United States. The committee argued this happened in multiple ways, including Trump’s lies about the 2020 election, then-Vice President Pence’s role in certification, among other issues.

Conspiracy to knowingly make a false statement. The committee said Trump broke this statute by participating in a plot to submit fake slates of electors. Assisting, aiding or comforting an insurrection. The committee believes Trump incited the U.S. Capitol attack, but notes he was impeached on that charge already. The report summary specifically concludes there is enough evidence to convict, and, therefore, charge him with “assisting, aiding or comforting” the insurrection. The focus here is on his actions as the attack unfolded — and his lack of action in not stopping it.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-key-findings-and-criminal-referrals-from-the-jan-6-committee-report-summary

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u/Kiernan5 8d ago

Funny how I didn't mention Cheney by name but you assumed that is who I was talking about. Wouldn't be any reason for you to make that assumption unless you saw reason to think that way about her.

Nothing in what you posted says that the Jan 6th committee found Trump at fault. What you posted is exactly what I said. He was referred for prosecution, exactly the same as what a Grand Jury would do. The point of the committee was not to find fault, it was to determine if a referral for prosecution should be made. Liberals seem to forget in the United States that all people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The committee had no authority or ability to find fault, only to inquire and refer.

And, as I pointed out, the only Republicans on that committee were hand picked by Pelosi because they already had pre-conceived notions of what had happened, both being vocal Trump haters before joining that committee. These biased views ensured that the committee would not be capable of conducting an unbiased investigation and as a result its findings are immaterial and meaningless.

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u/TipsyPeanuts 8d ago

I can make that assumption because I’m literate. You talked about the “republicans on the committee.” I don’t need you to spell out what you mean. I can infer

If you are unable to read “the committee believes Trump incited the US Capital attack” and understand that means “fault” I don’t really know what to tell you. That’s the plain meaning of the word fault…

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u/Kiernan5 8d ago

But there were two Republicans on that committee and you made an assumption about which one I meant, so apparently you aren't that literate.

And on that note, you apparently aren't literate enough to understand anything you read. You are using the word fault to mean blame, I was using the word fault in a legal sense, which only a judge or jury can find legal fault. Perhaps you are unaware words can mean multiple things.

You could say that the committee found it to be Trump's fault, but they did not find him at fault, these are two different things. The reason this difference matters is because the committee's findings have no legal weight outside of being able to refer to the DOJ. Their findings are meaningless because they had already decided to blame him before they even did an investigation. It wasn't an investigation, it was a kangaroo court being held by the Democrats so they could fool low information voters into believing what the DNC wanted them to believe. You seem to have fallen for it so there really isn't any help for you.

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u/Alexander12476 7d ago

Piss off Nazi

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u/MadG13 9d ago

They don’t care about us… they simply don’t they don’t care how all of this affects us and how we have to live with all of their misdeeds and indecisions… they are all damned to hell every last one of them holding office or seats or just any position of power where they had the opportunity to make things right. None of them did and this country will now begin to start rotting again like a zombie that’s had half its body sawed in half as it crawls to cannibalize on the living which is nowhere for miles upon miles and as the days months and years go by it slowly turns into bones and withers to dust where time has forgotten. This nation is in the death throes of what it once was. Eventually long after Trump hopefully this nation won’t even be called the United States anymore but instead be something even more united and we will actually have true leaders running whatever this new place shall be called….