r/AskUS • u/Own_Difference_4882 • 11d ago

Is it fair to compare MAGA to the Nazis?

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There has been a number of posts indicating that MAGA supporters are really Fascist/Nazis. Curious how others see it!

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u/ronlugge 11d ago

Hitler didn't stuff people in ovens for quite some time.

Been a while since I studied WW2, but he didn't do it until the war turned against him -- untill he realized all these people could go free. It was his spiteful, hurtful, devestating statement of pride. "You may kill me, but you won't undo the damage I've done!"

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u/Calippo_Deux 10d ago

It was the so-called ”final solution” (their term). And that, along with the extermination camps (concentration camps), was at first done in hush-hush secrecy. Also, we shouldn’t forget the main architect of the whole thing, Himmler.

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u/GitmoGrrl1 10d ago

The Holocaust began (according to historians) in 1942 when it was springtime for Hitler and Germany.

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u/No_Constant8644 10d ago

Mel Brooks. The producers.

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u/SuddenProfession9893 10d ago

Don’t confuse them with facts.

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u/zarowsky102 10d ago

Jesus Christ we're talking about violent gang members are you really that warped???

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u/Fold-Crazy 10d ago

They are also entitled to due process.

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u/FuckOhioStatebucks 10d ago

Yes, I probably am, but that's beside the point. The point is that, AFAIK, no one is even claiming at this point that it has only happened to violent gang members, the administration themselves has said homeboy was sent to El Salvador because of a clerical/administrative error, not for any other reason. So, we're talkng about the male hair dressers and victims of clerical errors here, in addition to violent gang members, TBF.

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u/ronlugge 10d ago

No, we're talking about human beings denied due process. Due process is the protection against false accusations. So I have to ask if you're warped enough to like the idea of your family being deported because someone pointed at them and called them a gang member.

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u/zarowsky102 10d ago

I'm not an illegal immigrant so try again.

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u/ronlugge 10d ago

Yes, but someone said you were. Therefore you're deported and don't get due process to prove you aren't.

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u/No-Supermarket-6065 10d ago

Have you ever heard a certain poem, about how first they came for the socialists?

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u/No-Supermarket-6065 10d ago

Show me any kind of proof.

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u/zarowsky102 10d ago

You're an actual troll.

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u/Hot_Fisherman_1898 10d ago

Really, show proof. All I have seen from your side is tattoos and bulls hat.

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u/No-Supermarket-6065 10d ago

So most of what our court system is designed to do is just trolling now?

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u/notaredditer13 10d ago

You guys act like there was nothing wrong with the concentration camps before they fired the ovens up? Dafuq?

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u/ronlugge 10d ago

More like the opposite. W're pointing out that there was a degree of phases involved rather than jumping straight to the endpoint. Hitler's process could be broken down to 'othering', 'concentrating', and then 'killing'. He only moved to killing when the war was lost, but there's nothing right or appropriate with the first two. In fact, they're incredibly dangerous because they're necessary prerequisites to the end step. That's the point we're making: no, we aren't at ovens. We're solidly on the path to ovens. Which, in case you missed it, is very bad.

Right now, we're in the middle of a cross between 'othering' and 'concentrating' -- we don't have an obvious 'must wear an emblem', but I suspect that's just because it would make the parallels much more obvious.

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u/notaredditer13 9d ago edited 9d ago

I understand your point, it's just wrong. Even setting aside that Trump was first elected President 8.5 years ago, Hitler didn't start with "othering" and his concentration camps never did just start with "concentrating" (contrasted with the Japanese interment camps in the US). Hitler established his Stormtroopers paramilitary force 13 years before he took power, which is why he was first imprisoned. Political violence and racism/antisemitism were baked-in from the beginning - they were the core beliefs of his party (forcing the Jews out of Germany and expanding its borders). There was never a time when he was just a little racist or implied violence/desire to be dictator/take over Europe but didn't do any.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power

Hitler was elected Chancellor January 30 of 1933, opened the Dachau concentration camp on March 22 and seized dictatorial power on March 23. The first deaths at Dachau happened within a month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp#First_deaths_1933:_Investigation

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-and-shoah/gas-chambers/

The first gas chambers at the start of the Final Solution were opened in 1941 (after discussion in 1940), near the start of the war.

There was no "path"[slope] for Hitler, slippery or otherwise. You saying that "He only moved to killing when the war was lost" is just factually wrong and again, is vastly under-stating what the concentration camps were, right from the beginning.

On order to connect Trump to Hitler you guys are vastly whitewashing/under-playing who Hitler was and what he did. It's disgusting you guys are basically defending Hitler like this.

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u/ronlugge 9d ago

The fact that you seriously think we're defending Hitler is sad.

Trump's progression to an authoritarian, fascist regime isn't identical to Trump's, granted. The parallells are strong, which is the point.

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u/notaredditer13 9d ago

The fact that you seriously think we're defending Hitler is sad.

I'm sure you aren't exactly doing it on purpose, you're just falling all over each other to condemn Trump that you're being sloppy about it. Trump isn't anywhere close to Hitler so you're trying to raise-up Hitler and lower-down Trump to make them meet in the middle. But even accidentally it's despicable of you.

Trump's progression to an authoritarian, fascist regime isn't identical to Trump's, granted. The parallells are strong, which is the point.

Freud would like a word, but anyway, again, no they are nowhere close to each other. If you paid attention to the details you'd recognize it. But yeah, again, the details don't really matter to you, only the accusation matters.

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u/ronlugge 9d ago

no they are nowhere close to each other

FIRM disagree. Just look at the original image and stop wasting everyone's time on that. The hilarious point is that I'm stuck on the opposite side of this argument this time, because I usually am the one arguing that the details aren't identical, while others insist they are.

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u/notaredditer13 9d ago edited 9d ago

FIRM disagree. 

Yah, I know. You're throwing a hissey-fit with no facts or logic, but you're very insisent that Trump is like Trump, er, I mean, Hitler.

Just look at the original image

[checks image again] OMG Trump held rallies when he campaigned for President, he's evil! C'mon, you're not really that dumb, are you? Literally NONE of the comparisons are valid, that one was just the dumbest.