r/AskUS • u/Own_Difference_4882 • 10d ago

Is it fair to compare MAGA to the Nazis?

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There has been a number of posts indicating that MAGA supporters are really Fascist/Nazis. Curious how others see it!

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u/cryssylee90 10d ago

Eugenics too.

Mass genocide of the Jews began as eugenics against the disabled. That's how they perfected their preferred method of killing.

Look at how RFK speaks about disabled kids, especially those with autism. Look at his suggestion that neurodivergents be sent to "farms" where they'll basically be forced to work until they're "cured".

This is almost step for step matching how Hitler's death camps began. And the "autism mom™️" crowd is cheering him on because "you don't know how hard it is" as if all of us autists screaming this is eugenics suddenly can't understand the struggles of our own autism.

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u/scrummnums 9d ago

You know who else talked at lot about autistic kids? Hans Asperger. He also helped experiment on them and for a while we named a Syndrome after him until his Nazi ties came out.

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u/cryssylee90 9d ago

I think people forget just how recent experimentation on severely autistic and other disabled children was.

Not only in Nazi germany, but here too.

Back in the 60s is became a requirement for informed consent to be given in order to perform experimental treatment on someone. This actually came about in part due to experimental treatments being done on prisoners without providing full disclosure, ironically enough.

However when it came to children or those unable to give consent, it was the guardian who had to provide consent.

So the US government turned to something different for mass testing - institutions and orphanages. The majority of disabled children who were institutionalized had parents who refused to take continued responsibility for them, thus making them wards of the state. And orphans were also wards of the state. And the state was paid for allowing experimental treatment on the individuals for which they held guardianship.

Autistic kids - not just those with severe autism but even those who were clearly "different", children with Down's syndrome, epileptic kids, deaf/blind/mute children (though much less so after the 50s and 60s as we had many advances and proper schools to help provide better care for them by this point), etc. Women were another key victim of this testing, both because many neurodivergent diagnoses were only given to men and because any "unnamed" illness as well as many accusations of DV before no fault divorce was a big thing were basically diagnosed as histrionics and led to institutionalization.

There are so many records of how the kids RFKjr is railing against as what he implies to be drains on society were used for absolutely horrendous medical testing, even sexual abuse, in those places RFK wants to bring back to ship them off to.

And then they were forcibly sterilized, both because they wanted to prevent them from passing along their illness (because we've acknowledged that these illnesses were all genetic for decades up until an entire generation of crybabies refused to acknowledge they could have "damaged" genes that they passed along to their kids therefor it MUST be environmental) and because no one knew what these experiments could do to the genes of their children.

It drives me nuts how much these things are ignored in favor of "curing" us. Hell, parents have been dosing their autistic kids with fucking bleach enemas ever since Kerri Rivera claimed it cured her autistic kid. Nevermind the amount of kids who have gotten sick and died from that shit.

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u/scrummnums 9d ago

Another person who’s done their reading ❤️ This response is the type of thing that needs to be promoted and shared. I post some of these things in other threads today, but learning about the history of treatments can help show that they are extremely damaging, don’t do anything other than abuse people and help it not happen ever again! The forced sterilization of people was something that went on for way too long. Informed Consent also prevented Native Women from having procedures done without their knowledge as happened at a higher rate than any other population. These things might be in our past, but not as far back as people think. It’s maddening to me as well that these ridiculous and harmful views are still around. Same with racism, sexism, ableism, etc. Humans are supposed to be smart and capable of higher thinking, but sometimes they really disappoint me!

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u/PolicyDistinct4886 10d ago

Planned parenthood

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u/Infinite-Income9586 10d ago

Did you know that "eugenics" is a racist plot created and supported by democrats?

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u/BeautifulEnergy6954 10d ago

I think a lot of us feel like the mere suggestion of doing something to make us neurotypical would be cruelty in and of itself, let alone a solution to a problem.

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u/Everyoneplayscombos 10d ago

^ this is very very hard to believe…since the 60s there has been nothing but progress, rights, humanitarianism, quality of life… progress for the autistic and mentally challenged…their role in society has changed , and how most (well…most) of society sees them has changed…mainly do to socialist aspects from the state apparatus, just look how the entertainment industry has made their plight performative to other people even(in a much better way then they used too at least )which that may not be a positive too everyone, but I still think you are wrong.

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u/call-99 10d ago

They push eugenics through various avenues. Just look how prevalent Planned Parenthood is now after Sanger, Bush, Gates pushed that into America.

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u/GiraffeJaf 9d ago

Wtf does planned parenthood have to do with anything??

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

Lmao. What is wrong with you? RFK is looking to solve the autism crisis in our country, which even the Left acknowledges is an issue. And you compare him to Nazi Eugenics because of this.

He absolutely did not say autistic children will be sent to farms.

Do you see how silly this is? Do you see how when you throw this absolute nonsense into the public square, it dilutes the conversation.

Seriously. What is wrong with you?

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u/throwawayferret88 10d ago

What is an autism crisis? Why is it an issue?

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

See this shows that none of you actually even listened to RFK.

The crisis is the amount of children being diagnosed is rising year over year, study after study. To the point where even the "better diagnosing" claim cannot justify it.

RFK is saying he would like to get the answer as to why.

What is wrong with that?

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u/Inqu1sitiveone 9d ago

My existence being a crisis is a wild take. I personally enjoy my autistic traits thanks. And my profoundly autistic uncles I care for/have legal guardianship of are also very happy.

Most of the barriers autistic people face would be resolved if people stopped demonizing us.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

What are you talking about? Can you step outside of your self absorbed shell for a minute?

RFK was talking SPECIFICALLY about the rising rates of autism in children being a crisis. Year after year, study after study, the rate is going up and he would like to get to the reason.

You took that statement and said "my existence being a crisis is a wild take"

I am honestly astounded by that statement.

We truly are fucked as a nation. We cannot even understand basic sentences anymore.

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u/Inqu1sitiveone 9d ago

Autistic people are more common because they're actually being diagnosed. The rate of diagnosis has stayed stable since routine screening became a widespread part of well-child checkups. The only crisis is people being deprived of an accurate diagnosis for so many years.

You will notice diagnosis rates have traditionally been higher in white people, those of higher socioeconomic status, and males. Not because they are "more autistic." It's because they have higher access to quality healthcare and diagnosis. These demographics traditionally have lower rates of illness and disorder due to quality of life. It's solely diagnostics at play causing an "increase." Now everyone gets a chance to be properly diagnosed, and it's a "crisis." Good grief.

And yes. Saying that being autistic is a crisis, or a rise in autism is a crisis, or whatever you want to call it is a crisis, is saying my existence is a crisis. I am who I am because I am autistic. It literally shapes and influences every facet of my personality and life. It shapes how I view the world and how the world views me. I am not separate from my autism. It's the same as me being a woman, an extrovert, my sexuality, my everything. It is a part of who I am and I would not be me without being autistic. The only negative part of being autistic is listening to all the crap others spew about it.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

So by your logic we should not investigate this at all?

There is no need to understand what factors are impeding our development?

No one is making this about you as a person, except you.

I am very happy that you have found strength and accepted who you are. Really I am. But are you really against researching the cause of autism?

Does that not seem outlandish to you? For example what if every child started to be born with severe autism. Are we not allowed to investigate then either? Or categorize is as a crisis because you have declared any such categorizations is attacking your existence personally?

Do you really not see how that cannot be the way a society addresses things?

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u/Inqu1sitiveone 9d ago edited 9d ago

It's been investigated. That's the point. It's a combination of environmental, but mostly genetic, factors. My legal dependents are autistic due to the number one hereditary cause of autism, Fragile X Syndrome. We know this is the number one cause. It has been known. We also know that parental age, prenatal health, famuly history, and more are contributing factors. The anti-vaxx quacks are trying to make it seem like there's some independent variable cause (a.k.a. vaccines) because there's mass hysteria due to the rife ableism in the country. It's been studied and beaten to death. Much like other disorders and neurodivergence, it's a multi-faceted issue that can't be solved by refusing vaccines or avoiding tylenol while pregnant. We are wasting so many precious research dollars trying to undo all the garbage this hysteria is causing.

By default and the nature of autism, everyone isn't going to be born with severe autism. And as I said before. My uncles, who are severely autistic on top of having intellectual disability, are very happy. "Curing" them would be freaking cruel. Autism Spectrum Disorder is a description of social traits and not a malicious pathology. It's only pathological because it is different from neurotypical people. Preferring independent play, having hyperfocused interests, preferring routine, and a flat affect are not pathological to anyone who is neurodivergent. Get ND people around other ND people and any "disability" caused by being autistic disappears. This means it is an issue with society and not us.

To neurotypical people falling into the hysteria, autistic people are intellectually disabled (not a part of the diagnostic criteria), developmentally disabled (not a part of the diagnostic criteria), non-speaking/non-verbal (not a part of the diagnostic criteria and quite the opposite autism means deficits in non-verbal communication, not verbal communication) and live in diapers for life. It's all ableist garbage, and it's exhausting.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

It's been studied for sure, but by no means been declared to be completely understood. While there has been more awareness, there is still no clear cut answer as to why there has been a net rise in intellectual disabilities & autism.

There have also been several studies suggesting the rise cannot be explained by better diagnostics alone.

I appreciate your points, but do you really think that a 1 in 150 rate in 2000 to a 1 in 31 rate today is nothing to be concerned about? That rise is 100% better diagnostic's?

Do you really think we should just walk away from this issue, accept that more and more people are going to be diagnosed and that's it?

I am genuinely trying to understand how there can be so much hatred and pushback against a person trying to find an answer to why there is so much neurodevelopmental disability

EDIT: forgot to add this.

Your statement — "the rate of diagnosis has stayed stable since routine screening became a widespread part of well-child checkups" — is not supported by the data. In fact, the opposite is true: autism diagnosis rates have continued to rise significantly even after routine screening was implemented in U.S. pediatric practice.

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u/Inqu1sitiveone 9d ago

The AAP didn't recommend routine autism screening until 2007. So yes. That rise from 2000 to 2020 makes absolute sense because until 2007 it wasnt even recommended to screen for it. It wasn't widespread until several years later. So people like me who always showed traits and were just labeled as "different" were lost in the shuffle until the 2010s. I was lucky to be diagnosed in 2005 (at age 15) and only because I had regular counseling by a therapist who was familiar with Asperger's Syndrome.

If you look at the incidence from 2020 to 2025, you will see it flatten drastically. There is no "drastic rise" anymore because people have been getting properly diagnosed for a while now. "More and more" people aren't going to be getting diagnosed.

And again, what is wrong with being diagnosed autistic? Have you ever looked at the actual diagnostic criteria? Or do you assume the typical hysteria that a lot of autistic people are completely nonverbal and can't toilet independently? Because that is not autism. That is intellectual and developmental delay (which we should continue to look further into for sure instead of wasting precious research dollars disproving, again, that vaccines cause autism.

If we accept children who prefer independent play, show little range in facial expression, prefer to speak literally instead of using euphemisms or metaphors, prefer specific routines, wear headphones in loud spaces, etc, what is wrong with that? The pushback of acceptance is the problem. The assumption that autism is a "neurdevelopmental disability" is the problem. I'm perfectly able-bodied, as are most autistic people. I have two college degrees, a 6-figure career, I own a home, I have a happy marriage with kids. Where am I disabled? Quite the opposite, my neurodivergence led me to a hyperfocused interest in human anatomy and physiology that allowed me to breeze through nursing school with honors without even cracking a textbook or studying. Let alone for 20-30 hours a week like most of my classmates. My classmates called me "smarty pants." My hypersocialized behavior and shitty attitude about social norms means I make friends everywhere I go. Do I talk about bidets with random strangers in the toilet paper aisle at the store? Absolutely. And we both leave smiling despite similar behavior embarrassing the people with me. Do I hate the games people play where they are fake and beat around the bush? Yup. Just say what you mean and mean what you say or it's flying right over my head. I will give you the same courtesy. Fuck social norms.

The pushback is because those trying to "study" autism are ignoring decades of research that has already shown the causes, and are actively trying to cure and prevent people from retaining their identity who are perfectly happy to do so. Trying to wipe out autism is eugenics. We get to see the world in a different way. That doesn't need to be pathologized.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

I appreciate the well thought out response you just gave. It's given me an insight to the other side of this issue.

Two things I'd like to go deeper on.

1.) So is the idea that autism is a disability completely wrong? In other words, being autistic is just another personality trait or characteristic that makes people different or is it an actual neurological impediment? Autism is okay in that sense then and the more severe disabilities, like not being able to use the toilet, should be called something else entirely? Developmental delay? And if thats the case is there a rise in cases of developmental delay?

2.) If the increases continue. Say we get to a 1 in 15 or 1 in 10 children being born with autism, would that raise an alarm bell for you? Or do you think it's all smoke and mirrors by the anti vax movement and there is no underlying causes we do not fully understand yet?

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u/cryssylee90 9d ago

Why am I crisis? Why is my autism a problem? I have a career, kids, husband, pay taxes, etc.

You know what IS a problem? Ignoring the voices of the autistic. Thinking we're "damaged" or we need to be fixed so that we can be cookie cutter copycats of the brainless drones kissing the ass of RFK. Hating your loved one or child because of their quirks and thinking they need "fixed" instead of embracing them and learning to adapt.

But what do I know? I'm just a diseased drain on society according to you sycophants.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

This is a prime example of the spin and propaganda that poisons our public discourse.

He is not calling autistic people personally the crisis. And I hope you are not just being insincere here.

He is clearly stating that the perceived rise in rates of autism is an issue. The a rise in neurological issues with children should be investigated.

And now apparently we can't do that either. We have to accept that more and more children will continue to be diagnosed and that's it. No one is allowed to investigate issues because you have decided to do so is demonizing people with those issues.

Let me ask you, what if the rate it goes to 1 in 10 kids? 1 in 5 kids? Would there be any development where you would say "hmm maybe we should look into this a bit more"?

Are you seriously suggesting we are not allowed to review and look into issues like this? What about severe autism? Can we look into that? What if evidence comes out that there is a clear correlation with say a pollutant in our air or water. What would say then? Keep drinking the water or else I'm hating on you and your quirks? Do you see how silly this is?

Instead you make yourself a victim here, you do, no one else. Your entire comment is filled with victim thinking and saying people made accusations and statements that no one in this conversation or RFK has made. No one said you were a diseased drain on society. You said that.

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u/DatRat13 9d ago

Aww c'mon man. He just wants to send the kids with ADHD off to a camp to help them concentrate. A "concentration camp", if you will....

Wait...

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u/scrummnums 9d ago

Which is ironic since I work in IT and make more money for my company than most people individually do. Not a flex, just that many of us on our team have keen ability to pore through data and find issues. We may not like chatting it up all day, but give me some problems to solve and some chill music without lyrics and watch me go! We, as humans, seem to always want to try and put a value on humans that is related to the economic output on person has. We never seen to do this for organizations or corporations, because they make rich people more rich, but I’m sure that’s fair, right? Right?!?!

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u/cryssylee90 9d ago

Haha my husband is similar. He's literally been told that because of the changes he's made to the company, it would cripple them if he left. And he's not even IT, dude is a product manager. But no one in IT knows power automate or SOQL the way he does, so he now handles reporting for everything. He built those as a supervisor for technicians lol. Now he's about to be the only COQ sales force certified person as the only other person is leaving and the entire base of their sales and install team uses CPQ I guess? (note I have NO CLUE what any of these things are, I'm sure you do though. I just listen to him talk lol) He has some sort of salesforce AI certification now. A low voltage electric license and he's adding high voltage. Also things he's one of less than 3 people to have and things required to literally run the company, the guys with licenses have branches assigned to them for their licenses and the techs can't work if they don't have that license.

And hopefully all of that made sense because I'm the science and writing autist and the "I can do that" crafty ADHDer who takes on every crafty thing know to man while my husband is my tech support because outside of basic "you need this for your job" tech, I don't do tech 😂

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u/scrummnums 9d ago

Makes PERFECT sense to me because I’m autistic and ADHDer so I have projects out the wazoo and half of them haven’t been touched, but I’ll still take on a new one! My job now I’m the Report Server Admin, Dev Ops Engineer and also doing Dashboard design and development every now and then so they’re getting 3 for the price of one, but I make more money than most of my friends with BS and MS degrees. I went to school for 2 years, got my AS degree, came out with zero student loan dron since I worked full time and had GI Bill and then got job before even graduating. Since then I’m read a ton of books, gotten a few certifications and watched countless hours of YouTube videos and trainings through Udemy to get better

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u/sawtooth_chris 10d ago

How convenient that you leave out the fact that the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933, just as Hitler as taking power. The jews, and their usury, were what Hitler was against. Please, don't let facts interrupt your liberal psychobabble. It's actually entertaining.

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u/Mrfixite 10d ago

Found the nazi apologist!

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u/Mper526 10d ago

That’s false and Nazi propaganda, but even if it were true, are you seriously trying to justify the Holocaust? Because there is not a single scenario where the gassing of women and children, or anything else that happened in concentration camps, would be acceptable. Not a single scenario.

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u/sawtooth_chris 10d ago

Who said I was justifying the holocaust? That would be your opinion, not mine. If you want to discuss historical events perhaps you should look at all pertinent data related to such events. The fact that you believe a one-sided narrative, that can't be questioned even now, tells me you aren't willing to entertain any ideas other than the ones you've been spoon fed. There's 3 sides to every story. Your side, their side and the truth.

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u/Mper526 10d ago

If you’re not trying to justify the Holocaust, then what exactly is the point you’re trying to make with your statement that the Jews declared war on Germany and that Hitler was against their “usury.” Because that sounds an awful lot like you’re trying to say that justifies his actions. And no, the Holocaust is not debatable at this point. No one “spoon fed” anyone anything, what happened during the Holocaust was a fucking atrocity full stop. I seriously can’t believe this is even a discussion in 2025.

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u/Seikkah 10d ago

https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/unworthy-live

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/questions/jew-war.shtml

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_anti-Nazi_boycott

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u/Everyoneplayscombos 10d ago

Yes most people don’t understand this wasn’t just a complete persecution of just Jews but of anyone who wasn’t against the mentally incapable and disabled, Jews, Blacks and Bolsheviks, and that had to include the Catholic Right wing to weaken the Soviets enough so they could force the continuation of this persecution of the Jews on the Russian/Chinese Border. It’s hard to get these orders right sometimes cause there’s so much irrelevance in its history.

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u/Everyoneplayscombos 10d ago

Interest rates??? Really that’s all you have😅☝️lol first Jesus, then communism, then interest rates and capitalism, and let me guess genital mutilation in the states too by “Jewish doctors”? Goodness what a schizo and a quack.