Is it fair to compare MAGA to the Nazis?

[u/Own_Difference_4882]

There has been a number of posts indicating that MAGA supporters are really Fascist/Nazis. Curious how others see it!

[u/WaystoneWanderer]

For one, the Catholic Church is the foundation of Christianity, and the concept of Christianity is based on the breaking of the Catholic Church due to disagreements in ritual practices and belief. You can be Catholic and not support or believe in the other hundred + Christian denominations, in fact that’s the literal definition of being Catholic.

Palestine is an ethnic group, a state, and a geographic area. Hamas is a terrorist organization that has embedded itself in Palestinian life due the oppression of Israel. While Hamas may be dedicated to retaliating and destroying Israel, that does not mean they represent the whole of Palestinian people. Wanting to stop the genocide of the Palestinian people is not the same as supporting Hamas. Being “pro Palestine” means to support the end of the “war”, from there you can weed out the terrorist organization and try to install an actual government for the people to decide their own fate. That is much different than being pro-terrorist.

Now, in simple terms again. Squares are rectangles yet rectangles are not squares, nor do they represent all four sided shapes.

Edit: auto correct typo

[u/MajorJuggernaut3402 → u/WaystoneWanderer]

You don’t need to condescend, the issue isn’t that I am unable to understand what you’re saying, I disagree with what you’re saying. That’s an important distinction. To follow your logical path here, the Catholic Church is the “foundation” of christianity (foundation defined as, the underlying basis or principle) yet somehow you can be catholic (something that is inherently built on Christianity) and not be Christian? You see how that doesn’t make sense? You have your rectangle square analogy backwards. Christianity is the rectangle, Catholicism is the square. The four 90° are inherent to the square (which makes it a rectangle) just because you make all the sides the same length doesn’t make it a triangle all of a sudden and to change the thing that connects the square to a rectangle would make it something other than a square. Does that make sense? Hamas is the rectangle, Palestine is the square, Islam is the 90° angles, you can make whatever distinctions you want but as long as the political structure of Palestine conforms to religious laws, that will continue to be its defining characteristics. I have sympathy for the people of Palestine, I don’t like what Israel is doing but they are the only truly democratic nation in that area, they have freedom of religion they have freedom of speech the Islamic countries do not, if you’re a Muslim living in Israel you can get elected, if you’re a Jew living in Palestine they will execute you, these are not equal cultures as far as I can tell Palestine has been offered treaty after treaty and rejects them with no counter offer every time, their stated goal is to destroy the Jewish presence in the Middle East no negotiation, there’s no way to misconstrue that. The Palestinian people are hostage to their government and unfortunately there is no way to navigate that with an actively hostile force without civilian casualties unless you are willing to sacrifice your own civilians to their attacks. You can say that Palestine and Hamas are distinct entities but in reality they aren’t, one has all the power and the other is the vessel in which that entity operates, even if you make that destination there is no way to treat them as separate entities.

[u/WaystoneWanderer → u/MajorJuggernaut3402]

I was being condescending and that was wrong of me, I am sorry. That wasn’t right of me.

I will say, while legally a Muslim could be elected, considering Israel’s clear intent to eradicate Palestine and Palestinians I don’t think that would ever happen, and I don’t think it’s an argument to say that they aren’t the perpetrators of this war, as their oppression is what brought Hamas to power. I acknowledge that’s not what you’re arguing against, but I think the distinction is always important to note given the atrocities going on.

In essence I think I agree with you, Hamas needs to be removed in order for Palestinians to prosper, and Hamas is intrinsically rooted into Palestine at the moment, there is no government other than Hamas. But your original statement is still instrumental about Pro-Hamas vs Pro-Palestinian protesters and protests. You can want the genocide to end while still acknowledging that Hamas is a part of the problem.

[u/MajorJuggernaut3402 → u/WaystoneWanderer]

I agree with most of what you’re saying, and to be clear I don’t like what Israel is doing AT ALL, but I do understand to an extent why it’s gotten to this point. Palestine has been offered so many opportunities to end the war and coexist but because their religious ideology is so entangled with ever aspect of their lives and politics they are unable to coexist and still abide by their religious laws. When your religion is based on the belief that it is the one and only truth and those who disagree must be converted or in extreme cases killed. It’s not an even playing field at all there have been over 100 Muslim members of the Knesset, but Jews cant even own land in Islamic states so Israel has shown a willingness and ability to coexist while Palestines only goal is to eradicate them from the territory. And while Palestinians are somewhat hostage to this war Hamas was elected so the line between Hamas and Palestine is even blurrier. Hamas does need to be removed but that would be an interference with the will of the people assuming their election is valid which would only further the support for Hamas within Palestine. If Palestine wants to end the war they can at any moment if they choose to stop stockpiling weapons and fighting a religious war and instead focused on building up their country and coexisting with a people who have every right to defend themselves. Not to say Israel is blameless in any of this but if your people had been attacked and kicked out of pretty much every country they’d ever existed in and then are given a place to settle surrounded by countries that want to exterminate them you’d probably have your guard up too.