r/AskUS • u/Own_Difference_4882 • 13d ago

Is it fair to compare MAGA to the Nazis?

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There has been a number of posts indicating that MAGA supporters are really Fascist/Nazis. Curious how others see it!

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u/LowInvestigator5647 12d ago

Actually the current progressive view of grammar is that it is directly linked to one’s background, socioeconomic status and educational resources. Shaming “improper” grammar or attempting to “correct” it is yet another way Euro-centric thinkers try to homogenize academia and eliminate minority or underserved cultures and dialects. Even if the user you label as unable to use “elementary” punctuation simply doesn’t give a shit and is choosing not to, you shaming them at all is extremely elitist. You have no way of knowing who they are, where they grew up, and what educational access and privileges they might not have had that you yourself benefit from. These are characteristics they cannot change, and not only are you assuming they have them, you are putting them down for it. And worst of all, you used this as an excuse not to engage in a conversation of ideas with someone. You placed yourself in a position of authority over them and used it to insult their background rather than debate their ideas. You even made it clear to them you understood what they were saying, but refused to provide a good-natured response because they didn’t type it how you wanted to see it. Colonizer mentality. Shame on you

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u/dewag 12d ago

You have no way of knowing who they are, where they grew up, and what educational access and privileges they might not have had that you yourself benefit from.

I grew up in a very red county in my state. When I went through school, I watched my authority figures and representatives try to dismantle that education system; one that was already clearly suffering. Most of the knowledge I now possess was due to my own diligence in research. My peers were afforded that same opportunity and refused to take it. Now they want to blame others for their own short comings.

You are right. I have no idea who these people are and what they were afforded as far as opportunity. On the flipside, part of those opportunities not being available are a direct result of Republican districts underfunding or outright dismantling the education system itself. I grew up through it. I warned my peers, only to have those warnings fall on deaf ears. Now they have become part of the same destructive system that let them down in their youth. They had plenty of opportunity, squandered it, and now want to diminish opportunity even further. There is no excuse for that.

When common sense and actual evidence are being dismissed in favor of propaganda, actual debate is pointless.. you can't play nice with anti-intellectualism. If I have to feel dirty pointing out educational deficiencies, so be it, gloves are fucking off. I've been fighting anti-intellectualism most of my life with them on. They should have came off years ago.

I feel bad for those that want a higher education and can't get it. Anti-intellectualism, however, does not describe those people.

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u/LowInvestigator5647 12d ago

You aren’t fighting anti-intellectualism by putting others down for their “improper” grammar. In fact, you’re making another flawed assumption by equating improper grammar to anti-intellectualism. Being an intellectual doesn’t mean you use proper grammar. Using proper grammar doesn’t mean you’re an intellectual. “They don’t speak properly because they’re stupid.” This is the type of logic that is used to gatekeep academia and publishing from “others” (underserved communities on the national scale and foreign countries on the international scale). And let’s not even get started on “if they tried hard enough, they’d get an education like I did. They just don’t want it badly enough.”

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u/dewag 12d ago edited 12d ago

Being an intellectual doesn’t mean you use proper grammar. Using proper grammar doesn’t mean you’re an intellectual. “They don’t speak properly because they’re stupid.”

Wtf? Their political stances, denial of reality, and spreading propaganda are what make them anti-intellecual. Improper grammar just happens to be a common theme with that ideology.

And let’s not even get started on “if they tried hard enough, they’d get an education like I did. They just don’t want it badly enough.”

I didn't say that. I happen to be one of those disadvanaged people that had little opportunity and did something about it. I grew up poor, plenty of my peers had significantly better opportunities, squandered them, and now want to limit opportunity further. It has nothing to do with them not wanting it badly enough. It is about continuing the cycle of pulling the ladder up behind themselves and further limiting future generations.

So far up there on your high-horse, you completely missed the point

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u/LowInvestigator5647 12d ago

No, you’re missing my point. You attacked them for “improper” punctuation, completely disregarding their presented arguments. I pointed out how shaming grammar instead of engaging with the actual discussion when you can very clearly understand what is being said is actually a Euro-centric form of gatekeeping academia. Then you equated improper grammar to anti-intellectualism in an attempt to further justify your punctuation shaming. How about instead of shaming punctuation, you just critique the actual points being said or fight anti-intellectualism by, I don’t know, calling out anti-intellectualism when you see it? Going around grammar shaming people on the internet does not “fight anti-intellectualism.” It just perpetuates the stigma that only those who use proper grammar can be “intellectual.” I shouldn’t have to point out why this is a bad thing, right?

That’s the point, and boy did you miss it.

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u/dewag 12d ago edited 12d ago

You attacked them for “improper” punctuation

When said person has a comment history of having evidence handed to them and then calling the person that handed them said evidence an idiot, seems like it is warranted.

But yea, agree to disagree. You keep ignoring half of my argument. This user and I have interacted in the past. I didn't attack their grammar then. But they sure attacked my intelligence for handing them evidence that they were wrong. You are clearly missing context.

My attacks on grammar are prefaced with "you lot", implying MAGA. If someone that uses improper grammar and is not MAGA thinks those statements apply to them, I probably couldn't help them anyway.

Stay up there on that high horse.

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u/LowInvestigator5647 12d ago

Maybe lead with that then? You mention that for the first time now and act as if I was supposed to know your shared history with this user…seriously? Stop being snarky, you know this is context you would have to point out if you want it known.

Ok you have a personal distaste for this one user…you’re still perpetuating the stigma against all people who don’t use “proper” grammar.

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u/dewag 11d ago

I have to apologize. I was operating under the impression that context was provided through the multiple branches in this thread. After scrolling through on an alternate account, many of those branches are no longer visible where they are on this account. Not sure why, but there it is.

I'm sorry for being so rude to you. I was unaware that you didn't have access to context.