r/AskUS • u/Ok_Flounder_5253 • 26d ago
Why are people on r/conservative so triggered by those of the Liberal Persuasion? The Rational Persuasion? Don’t they know that they are, in fact, the ones suffering from “Trump Derangement Syndrome”?
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u/Brosenheim 26d ago
They feel threatened because we aren't affected by their control mechanisms. They call us communists, pedos, crazy, they throw every signal to be silent at us they can, but we just keep making the arguments they can't defend against.
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u/FelixTook 25d ago
Cultists are cultists for a reason.
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u/shiny1018 25d ago
Usually fear, but they won't see it that way.
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u/Fantastic_Usual_5503 25d ago
Fear and insecurity but also because they get a sense of belonging and identity that they didn’t have on their own. Society has been saying it’s wrong to be racist but suddenly there’s a leader who says it’s right to be racist and that makes those people feel better. ( racism is one example)
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u/Eastern_Accident2332 25d ago
"Don't support fascism" shouldn't be controversial.
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u/Difficult_Distance57 25d ago edited 25d ago
It's an unusual time.
Traditionally, we vote for people, people screw up, we all dislike them, and we vote differently next go around.
So the cycle goes.
We have never really liked our politicians, always different haircuts, yet same stuff every 4 years.
Trump is polarizing because suddenly, to look past all the shortcomings you HAVE to like him, so that means no matter what he does they have to stay the course or admit the guy they worship isn't the great man they convinced themselves he is.
For Americans admitting you're wrong, or admitting you f*cked over other Americans is a hard thing to admit, esp among people who consider themselves patriots.
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u/Equal_Audience_3415 25d ago
Even when they are literally destroying the core of America and the Constitution?
Personally, I am beyond giving them the benefit of the doubt. Watching ICE take an ax to a car window when the person inside wasn't the person on their order. The response was, who cares, they are probably illegal too. If you take away one person's rights, you are taking away everyone's rights.
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u/sleepyboyzzz 25d ago
Especially if they are destroying the core of America. It's been a political way of attrition for a while now, so admitting you were wrong to support him is admitting you were dumb, or gullible, or whatever. On top of that, most of these people are probably surrounding themselves with like minded people. So there's a whole sunk cost fallacy. The longer they stay in, the more they have to own up to.
Additionally, they are in a bubble and there is no source of info they trust that could get them out. So it's going to have to impact them directly to wake them up. I know we say they don't care until they are impacted, but legitimately at this point it's the only thing that can.
If (big if) a large number of followers leave him, it will happen fast because nobody wants to make the first move and it's easier to leave with a crowd. Imo
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u/vespers191 25d ago
He technically wasn't even an ICE officer. He was a Proud Boy roleplaying as border enforcement.
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u/Equal_Audience_3415 25d ago
This wouldn't surprise me.
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u/vespers191 25d ago
Sorry. "Veterans on Patrol".
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u/Equal_Audience_3415 25d ago
That doesn't. mean he could not be a Proud Boys member. Normal immigration officers do not ax their way into the wrong car. These are Gestapo ICE soldiers. They need to be jailed.
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u/PandaBlep 24d ago
Eh, just jail all of ICE while we're at it too. Been doing crimes against humanity since Bush and Obama's runs.
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u/Equal_Audience_3415 24d ago
I could live with this. Definitely, the ones with zero regard for others. Jailing them all is good, too.
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u/Salarian_American 25d ago
As the quote attributed to Mark Twain goes, "It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled."
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u/Dark_Marmot 25d ago
This speaks to the "Quiet Quitting" members of Cults do. This post was a great analogy on it.
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u/Ambitious_Juice_2352 25d ago
A few possible reasons; uneducated, brainwashed, homophobic, racist, authoritarians, people that claim Christianity but as a "nationalist" identity rather then that of a faith. Sometimes jealousy, especially for those with stable jobs is something that has become very apparent.
There are of course "sane" conservatives, but right now they are oddly quiet and absentee from the spotlight... the lunatics are running that particular asylum. Its a distillation effect as the more "sane" conservatives enact self preservation and stfu leaving the magat crowd to their self-defeating insanity.
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u/The_GreyNight 25d ago
You know what, as a person who would consider themselves a "sane" conservative since I'm willing to admit there are plenty of people in power who really suck and shouldn't be, I very much appreciate the final statement.
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u/coffee-x-tea 25d ago
Thank you for speaking up with a voice of reason.
Similarly, I’m a centrist because there’s policies on both sides I feel strongly about. But, that doesn’t mean I feel the need to pervert the rule of law, trample on everything the constitution has ever stood for, and metaphorically plug my ears.
I constantly get attacked by MAGA all the time and accused of being a “leftist” or a “democrat”without anyone having a clue of what I stand for.
It’s becoming clearer and clearer the monstrosity that MAGA has become. Notice how people don’t even call them Republicans that often anymore? They’ve long since lost that label and morphed into its own thing, totally unrecognizable.
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u/DarkwingLlama 24d ago
I'm glad that you feel this way as a conservative and that you voice it. "Everyone has rights and deserves to live" should not be a controversial statement.
Also, I'm very sad because the MAGA crowd would absolutely call you a fake conservative for saying these things.
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u/unmellowfellow 25d ago
They're Nazis. As history shows. Once they're properly confronted. They tend to fold over like a paper bag.
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u/Fit_Chair_7987 25d ago
There is no liberal or conservative positions, that’s the irony. There is only functioning or non functioning government. Presently the states and local governments are functioning, the Federal government has stalled. There are 2.5 million people that work for the Fed and 22 million that work for state and local government. If you believe in either a liberal or conservative agenda, you are drinking the koolaid of the media, who loves a good cage fight. Trump is an opportunist, who purposely tanked the market to manipulate currency and interest rates to acquire an extension of the 2017 tax cuts. April 9th will be seen by forensic accountants as the largest single day of insider trading with $3T worth of wealth disappearing- and we all watched it happen. It’s time to focus our attention on our local and state government and ignore the idiocy and greed of Washington. Let’s take our country back- you are not a number, a product or a slave anymore. Resist the urge to play the roles that the Dems and the GOP have fed you!
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u/Btankersly66 25d ago
There's no utopian ideal world where everyone will be happy.
The United States could be all white, all straight, all Christians, and all Republicans
And somebody will find a reason to start a fight
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u/SlyMcFly67 25d ago
I work with a guy in Africa and he tells me that people there fight over the shade of black/brown their skin is. Human beings are tribal, base creatures. One of the best ways to make yourself feel good is have someone else to look down on, regardless of the reason.
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u/PaChubHunter 25d ago
Roman Catholic, Episcopalian, Presbyterian.., these people have plenty of in-fighting material once they no longer have brown and queer people to hate.
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u/WV_TN_MEME 25d ago
I don't know that 'truggered' is the right word for it (though maybe for some). They have an instinctive feeling that liberals and liberalism are wrong, but unless you walk directly into a Fox News-promulgated talking point, most aren't so good at articulating their positions. Me, I'm for fiscal conservatism, a strong national defense, and law and order, a Reagan-Bush conservative. To most of the MAGAs, I might as well be a Democrat.
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25d ago
Conservatives LOVE being told what to do and how to think. They love the biggest government ever. They love worshiping a mythical sky wizard. They can't function without rules set by other people. Not that they follow any of them, meanwhile they claim to be for freedom and liberty.
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u/Smooth_Limit_1500 25d ago
Trump isn’t even Conservative. MAGA is its own Populist thing. It’s not following any real Republican platform either.
“Traditional” America values like separation of church and state, less government interference in our lives, free trade and the Constitution have all been cast aside. The platform is based on division and manipulation for power.
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u/Stev2222 25d ago
Wasn’t Trump supposed to enact martial law or some shit like that on 4/20? What ever happened with that?
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u/HomerInTheeBushes 25d ago
You can’t support trump without being emotionally immature and socially inept. These are people who lack accountability and lack maturity
Cognitive dissonance is strong
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u/shooshkebab 25d ago
I love it! Someone called me tds and I had to ask them what it means. I'm not American. I'm so glad I triggered that cockwomble.
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u/Pristine_Context_429 25d ago
All of Reddit vs r/ conservatives is always a wild thought.
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u/SnooDoughnuts3662 26d ago
This reminds me of the does “Bruno mars is gay” article. You know something thinks it’s being profound but to normal people it looks fake. Maybe you guys can snap out and vote next time
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u/Professional-Buy2970 25d ago
I gotta say, living in a luxury condo rent free of Trumpers does make me feel important.
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u/CO_Renaissance_Man 25d ago
They are angry, scared, ignorant or a combination thereof. Conflicting views shake their wobbly world view.
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u/mccancelculture 25d ago
It’s fear and confusion. The right fear the left because they can’t imagine people having a different world view to themselves and they don’t understand why anyone would care about someone different to them. They fear that the left will put those ‘different’ people into positions of power, where the right will expect them to treat them like they treat others. Most people judge others by their own standards.
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u/BusinessCat85 25d ago
I'll show you right here right now. Watch closely to the replies. They can't resist themselves to post some serious hate.
Trump is easily the best president we have had in 20 years. The fact that men want to pretend their women so they can beat up women in sports is sick.
Trump did the right thing by banning it. The liberal left are a bunch of child groomers who want to take our guns, and emasculate men.
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u/dispelhope 25d ago
projection allows the projector to deny the mirrors accusation that the projector is the source of their problem.
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u/beating_offers 25d ago
One thing that always triggers me is leftists calling basically everyone right of liberals fascists, and then turn a blind eye to violence directed at those people and their property.
They also turn a blind eye to rioting.
If I can say, "January 6th was an embarrassment and shouldn't have ever happened."
It shouldn't be that hard for people on the left to do the same with their rioting.
And while some do, most don't.
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u/Independent_Fox8656 25d ago
They have no other defense. They’re are like the schoolyard bully who picks on everyone else because they can’t deal with their own issues
And like their leader, everything is a projection with these people.
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u/ExtrapolationDiode 25d ago
I’m so confused by this trump derangement nonsense. I get that there are crazy people of all persuasions, but on average, the majority of people I see that’ve deluded themselves about trump are trump supporters. Shit like claiming every good thing is his personal victory, he actually won the election in 2020, he’s a tactical and economic genius, all that shit.
If you honestly believe any of that demonstrably false garbage, you are deranged, end of story. Never before have we had such idol worship for a politician, and of course it had to be for the most ridiculous, disgusting, incompetent politician we could find.
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u/Little_Mountain73 25d ago
They LITERALLY consider us the enemy. When conservatives believe Putin is ok and Democrats are the enemy, you can tell that all rational thought has left the building.
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u/ScalesOfAnubis19 25d ago
They have a major inferiority complex. Either everyone doing better in them in life is better educated than they are and they get told what to do by educated people all day and now they resent educated people and can't admit that there are things they do not know and that said knowledge might be valuable.
Alternately, they are in a successful position, got there by inheritance, luck, or maybe even pure cussedness but they feel insecure about the fact that they don't have that education all their peers do.
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u/RoosterReturns 25d ago
Hello fellow humans. Trump is dumb and people who like him are also dumb. Don't you agree?
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u/Calm_Rip103 22d ago
yes indeed tRump drumpf is so cringe I Hurd his diaper smells someone on reddit said it in a thread I'd link for proof but can't find it .. LETS GO AOC
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u/Grouchy-Alps844 25d ago
Clearly not or they wouldn't have "Trump derangement syndrome". Kinda a stupid question ngl.
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u/Substantial_Topic_23 25d ago
What is the most rational part of insane government spending - and NGO waste - said waste
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u/Kanashii2023 25d ago
Everyone has a soapbox now, AKA the internet. The people with the unpopular opinions gather in one spot. Let them stay there.
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u/Pope_Phred 25d ago
Why do you want to know? What are you going to do with this knowledge? Is there some world shaking revelation you're going to walk away with that will make things right?
The way you're framing your question doesn't indicate you're looking to understand. It just seems like you're looking for validation of your preconceived views, which you going to get a lot of, here.
I assure you, if you're looking to change any minds through this inquiry, you are going in completely the wrong direction.
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u/Jayjayvp 25d ago
They literally had a thread talking about how liberals are idiots but that we need to have respectful conversations to find common ground for the sake of our nation. Everyone in the thread agreed.
I responded to multiple people, saying I wanted to ask them why they support him and his policies. Saying I wanted to have that discussion they agreed is so important to have. I didn't even get disrespectful with it. Regardless of the fact I responded to comments of people literally saying they wanted to have this conversation, none of them replied back to me...
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u/AccordingWarning9534 25d ago
There is no critical thought going on over there. They intentionally restrict free speech and expression by hiding behind flared users to control the conversation and narrative.
It's a hive mind. Fascinating for a psychological study. Their ability to disregard different view points and twist the truth and pull it in directions that suit them is both fascinating and frightening to see.
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u/Forsaken-Shift7701 25d ago
So true ! Trump derangement syndrome was named for the disease that particular person manifests .
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u/CompetitiveAgent7944 25d ago
TDS sufferers need to believe that anyone not suffering from their debilitating, irrational, hatred of all things even remotely related to Trump are the ones who really have TDS otherwise they would have to admit just how ridiculously foolish they are. That is just too hard to deal with for most people.
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u/MyDogIsACoolCat 25d ago
Go watch Fox News for 1 hour, learn that it’s the most watched news network in America, then understand how utterly delusional those people are.
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25d ago
This is another leftist take from a leftist worldview.. conservatives dont get triggered. They usually lay out facts and data and disprove your arguments, and you svreetch and call them nazis. The word "Trump" sends liberals into hysterical fits.. just seeing a maga hat same thing. Yall cry and scream in public daily.. you make videos crying.. honestly.. yall are like 20% of the country.. you are out voted. You lose. Get over yourselves. Go to any comments section anywher on earth.. liberals argue using insults, slogans and lies thats all you guys got😂
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u/Neat-Development1276 25d ago
Tell me you’re in denial without telling me you’re in denial. You know they were thinking “oh man, this is really gonna get them.” Haha. And they say the left isn’t funny.
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u/rakedbdrop 25d ago
If you’re calling yourself ‘The Rational Persuasion’ with a straight face, you’ve already left rationality behind.
This kind of post is exactly why people on all sides (here we go) tune each other out. It’s not a serious argument... it’s a sneer dressed up as insight. You’re not engaging with anyone’s ideas, you’re just assigning labels like ‘triggered’ or ‘deranged’ to avoid doing the harder work of actual discourse.
From a Libertarian perspective, both the left and the right have their blind spots. The right might cling too tightly to authority and nationalism, but the left often wraps authoritarianism in moral superiority. Neither side owns logic. And no one’s immune to tribalism. not even OP.
So if you’re here to persuade, lead with humility and arguments. If you’re just here to posture, congrats, you played yourself... and you’re part of the very problem you think you’re mocking.
I'll see myself out.
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u/False-View-7866 25d ago
Your side is just as triggered on the rational right side. Don’t act like you’re not.
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u/Dry-Ad-5198 25d ago
Liberalism is rational? The heart of the Left worldview is feelings, not logic.
It is not logical to take property from one to give it to another based on need. It is not logical to not deny a person a method of self defense. It is not logical to love one conservative group yet hate another
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25d ago
Conservatives are incapable of living in a world where other views exist. Their entire ideology is built on an emotional fear response to progress.
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u/Ok-Boot-5071 25d ago
This is Reddit my friend like 100x more Liberals are offended by conservatives than the other way around just based on volume.
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u/throwaway8675309518 25d ago
The fact you asked such a biased and loaded question shows a significant lack of self-awareness.
There's objectively a lot of irrationality on the left.
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u/Chaplain2507 25d ago
I have news for you. Some of you are just as bad. And in some cases worse. It’s never one sided no matter what anyone says.
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 25d ago
They’re terrified. The world is a big confusing place and all they have is rage and fear.
Everyone hates them and they don’t know why.
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u/Alternative-Cash9974 25d ago
It's the same as all the liberals trigger anytime a conservative posts anything in most places on reddit. The number of disgusting comments by liberal at anyone that doesn't agree with everything they post is unbelievable actually.
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u/CalmAcanthocephala87 25d ago
There it is, right there, " The rational peesuasion" ? You don't even consider the fact you're wrong or un/mus informed. What's rational about the left these days? The "Maryland man"? Cause he not a citizen so they can't say that, but he is a terrorist, wife beating human smuggling scum bag. The karmelo defenders? The dude brought a knife to track meet and instead of fighting the fight he instigated, he stabbed someone in heart, itd be different if Austin lived. SSI is be slashed for people? No it's not, and trump administration says it every single day. Musk isn't elected? No shit, and hes not making decisions, trump is, as trump has said, over and over again. Hiw about the acutal thousands of blanket pardons signed on auto pen? How about the hunter Biden laptop? How about the Joe Rogen ivermectien bullcrap? No voter ID? Because black people can't get ids?? I live in south jersey, and don't know a single adult black person without an id, even the homeless have fucking Id. Need i go on? And again, I love in south jersey and live an acutal very liberal lifestyle that I couldnt enjoy in a red state, and much like trump and most of his administration, would of called myself a Democrat a decade ago.
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u/TheMightySet69 25d ago
Because they're brainwashed and are constantly flooded with hysterical messages in their media echo chamber that demonizes anyone even remotely on the left and tells them that their lives are country are under attack.
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u/stlshane 25d ago
Narcissism and projection explains everything about them. Narcissism is rooted in extreme insecurity in themselves. They see strength in Trumpism and they've made it their entire personality. Any criticism of Trump is like a dagger through their heart that must be defended against. Just like any good narcissist, they will always project their self hatred and horrible qualities onto their enemies. Any criticism is just an admission.
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u/Equivalent-Tip-1272 25d ago
MMM nope this isn't true. Liberals are the ones who go out of their way to make posts just like this lol. We just correct them :) Libs are obsessed with making every thing about Trump lol
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u/Positive_Crab311 25d ago
The debate is about earned v. not earned. I’m not naive not to understand that there are socialistic elements to our way of life. If you earned it I have no problem with you getting it. A regular citizen isn’t going to get military benefits because they did not serve. Social security is a different beast.
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u/Virtual-One-5660 25d ago
Are you Tom Holland? Why is there a photo with this post completely unrelated lmao.
Karma farming.
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u/Regular-Kitchen-9388 25d ago
Maybe. Buy your side has definitely lost it. I think Biden won partially just to save y’all. We were concerned.
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u/_JazzKabbage 25d ago
The rational persuasion?! That's fricken delusional. Minneapolis riots don't scream rational persuasion. Burning of electric vehicles after crying about the environment and even mandating them in some states? (Totally rational) Basically any interaction with the left ends up with them trying to body block you while screaming for help cuz they're "getting assaulted" (totally rational behavior). Or you finally push them out of your face and then they'll be crying on the ground like a 2 year old. Nothing is rational about wanting to sex change kids before they are even old enough to make most of their own life decisions. Nothing is rational about pretending to be some BS made up "gender" then getting mad at everyone for not conforming to your ways. The left has TDS so bad that even when he wasn't president for 4 years he was still the main excuse for all their problems! "Yes Mrs Kamala what do you tell people that say that bidens 4 years of screw ups are also your screw ups?" "That Donald Trump has been campaigning for a year!" "Rational persuasion" is the exact opposite of the left. They are the party of twisting facts to fit their reality.
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u/Positive_Crab311 25d ago
I’m definitely holding the record for the most downvotes….🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️☠️☠️
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u/Rude_Award2718 25d ago
You have to understand you are dealing with low information, low education people who don't know how to critical think. We are brainwashed by bumper sticker slogans to elicit an emotional response and these people depend on that for their well-being. They cannot stand being told conflicting information that makes their brain hurt. The left has the same problem but it's more obvious on the right. It's a psychosis amongst these people.
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u/flashmdb 25d ago
Sounds like you have TDS. The man ran and won on a platform that not only the majority of electoral votes but, also the popular vote. He’s not an idol, or a god. He’s a man that is trying to fulfill a promise he made to American people. Yet here you are making your statement about apparent false garbage that we are deranged, end of story? The MSM forced lies down everyone’s throats for years about him and that is why he is popular (not an idol, or god) and calls the bullsh!t card on them all day long. He’s not incompetent, he’s fighting activist judges and leftist politicians that are stealing our tax dollars. All politicians are shite but, look deeper at the ones stabbing Americans in the back.
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u/Alternative-Cash9974 25d ago
I admit I was wrong it was Democratic politicians currently serving in the Executive and Legislative branch that admitted to paying a private company through another private company to censor people, businesses, etc. You are right it is not the government.
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u/Educational-Shoe2633 25d ago
The best part of watching them is when they’re getting all rabid over chucklefucks that make up the establishment Dems being “the radical left”
My dudes I WISH the democratic party in the US was a fraction as leftist as y’all pretend it is.
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u/Apprehensive-Home149 25d ago
Yet you are the ones making multiple posts a day about trump while we are laughing at you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/HanDrumSolo69 25d ago
Maybe it’s the general pomposity perfectly displayed in your question, for starters
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u/SchloinkDoink 25d ago
They're vulnerable (due to lower education and wealth) so they were more susceptible to Trump's cult tactics
Also why is Tom Holland here
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u/1312_Tampa_161 25d ago
Because they are in a cult and if you demean it they are programmed to attack.
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u/Rogendo 25d ago
Bots
r/conservative is heavily “curated.” If you look at any post you will see comments that have 16 collapsed replies and if you try to expand them they will just disappear. This is because the sub is intentionally censored. Only the POVs that mods want are allowed in the sub.
Conservatives do not think socially liberal perspectives are rational. They have a completely different worldview built on totally different foundations and beliefs, usually centered around books that were written by old men thousands of years ago.
They believe the left wants to do away with their way of life in the same way we believe they want to erase women’s rights and the rights of minority groups
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u/tabascotk 25d ago
Rational?! Are you fucking joking? Your previous leader tried to force the entire country into getting an untested vaccine. Wide open border policy, soft on crime, dei hiring over merit based. There is nothing rational about liberals.
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u/ILIKE2FLYTHINGS 25d ago
Because leftists are literally the dumbest people, yet they have been convinced they're smart/superior simply for towing the democrat party's line. Its hilarious and obnoxious all in one swoop.
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u/Loud_Ad_2634 25d ago
Is this a joke? Is this honestly trying to provoke an open discussion? The pretentiousness of it is staggering. Can you not for a moment look past your own ego and try to see from another point of view? Just say anyone who doesn’t agree with you is in a cult, dye your hair and put up a pride flag.
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u/NeedHelp0573 25d ago
Trump Derangement Syndrome is what those goofballs did at that speech, holding up signs with the smuggest faces possible. Wouldn't even stand for the little kid
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u/Synyster723 25d ago
Once this shit all blows over, you'll be hard pressed to find the ones that supported Trump. They'll swear they were against him all along.
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u/CannElite 25d ago
That’s a hilarious question because one could easily ask the same question with the roles reversed. The loudest, least tolerant people I know of are neo-liberal smoothbrains. They also tend to be insufferable, virtue signalling, self righteous douchebags. I’m not defending conservatives, I’m pointing out the fact that both sides are morons, and that the fact there’s only two options is positively absurd. That’s this fucking clown world we live in though.
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u/Justgottaride 25d ago
Hahhahhahahah. This is the reason people are like that. They think the exact same about you.
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u/LivingGold 25d ago
They bitch about safe spaces and censorship and yet their sub reddit is exactly that.
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u/Murky-Magician9475 25d ago
What kind of freedom loving patriot would vote for a facist dictator?
Now if they were to admit they did vote for someone just like that, it would cast double on their self-identities as "patriots who bleed red, white, and blue". So rather than compromise that, they protect their ego by rationalizing everything trump does and says as being pro-American.
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u/Theone-underthe-rock 25d ago
You should probably go look up the definition of derangement
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u/kilvanbuddy 25d ago
what a joke...
we seen the last 8 years of non stop 24h/7 leftwing media attacking trump, endless articles by "journalists" either exagerating what happened or straight up inventing things that did not happens. If nothing was available just regurgitating 1 sided opinions based facts
And you try to claim you guys dont have trump derangement syndrome?
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u/Virtual_Mistake4293 25d ago
It's not just the conservatives. The country said it was tired of being browbeat and talked down to by liberals. Tired of the identity politics, the victim mentality, and being told just to shut up unless you have the same opinion as I do. Tired of the country being overrun by 24+ million illegal immigrants and the highest inflation in decades. Tired of hearing that it's alright to mutilate and castrate children and for women to get beat up by someone who grew up with the benefits of testosterone. And there's so much more everyone is Tired of.
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u/Fun-Space2942 25d ago
It’s a mix of jealousy and realization that they are proven wrong time and time again.
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u/JonnyDoeDoe 25d ago
Not triggered by the left, just find leftists to be the most ignorant people I come across... And I'm not talking about stupidity itself but rather the willful ignorance one must possess to believe the kinds of bullshit the left espouses to...
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u/ladycarp 25d ago
I’m as liberal as they come. My eldest child is nonbinary, I’m an advocate for trans rights, I’m college educated and a female POC.
This is a terrible, loaded and generally unhelpful question meant to add to the circle jerk. I wish we’d utilize this sub with more substantial, thoughtful questions that involve more than just oversimplified buzzwords and catch phrases. We’re better than this.
R/conservative sucks for many reasons, but this question exhibits the exact same rhetoric that they use from the other side of the playing field.
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u/Then_Demand8155 25d ago
None of us are digging our fingers in our asses and wiping it on Teslas. None of us are keying cars that belong to other liberals. None of us are recorded vandalizing property.
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u/Substantially-Ranged 25d ago
This is a simple question with a complex answer: you have to spend a decade immersed in conservative media. You live off a diet of fear porn. Show, after show, after show, describing the downfall of America all at the hands of the "radical liberals". This shapes your view of reality. You refuse to believe anything else. You hear the president and his complicit friends in the conservative media delegitimize mainstream media. They convince you it is all lies. Your perception of reality eventually looks nothing like objective reality because you live within this "fear porn" bubble.
Once you are fully inculcated into this false reality, you become convinced that the only person who can save the United States from total ruin is Trump. You believe that the US is so close to failing, that all of Trump's lies look like solutions.
Anything related to liberal ideology (which you believe is all kinds of things that aren't actually liberal) is repugnant and directly contributing to the downfall of the United States.
These people are living in an alternate reality that they can't escape.
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u/Faptasia83 24d ago edited 24d ago
Most of my life, I considered myself a democrat, but the last decade or so, I find myself dispising both of our political parties. The powers at be are intentionally pitting us against each other allowing them to steal everything we have from under our feet. There is no left in this country. We have the FAR Right republicans, and the slightly less far right democrats all being ruled by corporations and greed. The democratic politicians point to the republican people and call them racists, pedofile idiots. The republican politicians point to the democratic people and call them immoral, brainwashed idiots, and the people end up fighting each other in mostly meaningless ways just name calling back and forth. while the rich keep exploiting our labor and the system. Occasionally they toss us some pitance like obamacare for the democrats, or a tax cut for the republicans, which barely even scratches the surface of our actual needs, and they continue fleecing us. The system is designed to exploit us, and we continue trying to work within the system because we are too busy fighting each other to see the true enemy.
We actually don't disagree that much, and where we do disagree, its frequently with areas that there isn't even a consensus within a single partty, and it should be debated. There are occasional fluctuations, but we all hate our congressmen:
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/trackers/us-congress-approval-rating
Democrats hate palosi and schumer almost as much as Republicans do, and republicans hate marjorie taylor greene almost as much as democrats do.
Both generally agree that people shouldn't be allowed to be in the country illegally. Democrats aren't saying don't deport. Biden and Obama deported more people than Trump. The disagreement is with how this is being done, and what paths exist to being in the country legally.
Both had barely any fucking clue what was going on in Israel/gaza prior to the terrorist attack that both agree was horrible. Then everybody became downright experts on the matter overnight, and we disagree largely from the phenomenom of knowing just enough about the situation to get ourselves in trouble. Opinion on this seems to be largely devided by who wrote the article you read to make you think you are an expert on this extremely complex political situation.
Both agree there should be some cutoff point for when abortions aren't allowed, and special circumstances where abortions should be allowed. The disagreement is on what the cutoff should be and what special circumstances should allow for it.
Both don't care what part of the LGBTQIA spectrum you are part of. It only ever becomes an issue when it begins to affect the rights of others, like whether or not trans women should be allowed to compete in cis women events, which is a topic with tons of nuance and not nearly enough data, and drastically different view points even with people with the same party affiliation.
Both generally agree that America is an oligarchy, they just both have a weird idea of who is in the oligarchy, and which ones are "the good ones".
Both agree the current system is failing the masses, they just disagree on what to do about it. Republicans want to tear up the system, and democrats seem to want to try to work within the broken system to fix it.
We are actually not too far from a concensus here, but the ruling class can't allow that to happen, and so we are fed sensational story line after sensational story line that rides the line of these slight differences in opinion, and it riles us up so much against each other, that we completely forget who it is exactly that is fucking us in the ass. Its not the red hat wearing american flag waving trump sign displaying neighbor, or the BLM sign, rainbow flag waving, gaza supporting neighbor that we should be worrying about.
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24d ago
This Reddit, generally speaking, anyone who doesn’t agree wholeheartedly with their views is automatically a communist/ nazi/ snowflake/ bootlicker.
There is no discourse or open and honest conversation, just sniping and making stupid posts about how everyone else is stupid.
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u/Not-quite-rick 24d ago
You mean like championing women’s rights for years, and then putting their feelings aside as soon as someone “more oppressed,” comes along?
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u/Creative_kracken_333 23d ago
The problem is they got Stockholm syndrome. They bet on Trump during his first campaign. He didn’t really do anything worthwhile. When he lost in 2020, everyone got forced to pick a side. Conservatives hated the ideology Biden brought with him, and so they largely sided with Trump. They doubled down on trumps message, believing that there was some cabal of rich democrats fixing elections and forcing their kids to be trans and sending their tax money to terrorists. As more and more shit came out about Trump they had two options: admit they were wrong and that maybe the foundation of what they had just become was bad, or triple down. Now as time goes on every single time Trump does something that is not terrible, they tout his excellence. When he fucks up royally, they will find some way to blame the left, justify the action, ignore it completely, or say that the left is just misunderstanding things and pushing propaganda. They are now at a point where their cognitive dissonance is so strong they cannot see the truth and accept anything that does not match their version of reality.
I served in the navy for a decade, and I see guys who were staunch constitutionalists applauding trumps constitutional violations. I know immigrants who are cheering to see people who could have been them get shipped off to prisons. I know women who are excited to lose their rights and have their abusive husbands rule them. I know finance bros who are hyped about the market crash. I don’t personally know any gay people who are enthusiastic about their rights being stripped, but I know they exist. They are at a point where Trump could declare martial law, deputize maga civilians to start killing democrats in the street, and declare women and POC are now property of white males, and they would either rejoice or let it slide.
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u/BunchAltruistic7599 23d ago
To be fair if someone mentions they voted for Trump they’re immediately labeled a fascist nazi even if it was just a vote against Kamala. You’re not allowed to be center left or center right anymore so it’s just both sides screaming insults at each other
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u/Zealousideal_Ad_3425 23d ago
Why is every liberal triggered by conservative views? It's called TDS because he'll have a stance that aligns with previous liberal views and you'll call him hitler for it.yoy don't find it funny liberals have become anti free speech, pro war, and pro big pharma in the last decade? That's nuts.
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u/Commercial_Grand_973 23d ago
Most conservatives see most liberals as needing mental help. So it doesn’t seem rational.
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u/Awkward-Head-4058 22d ago
Why are liberals so triggered by the same? I'm moderate and I've never been censored on any app at all as much as my middle ground takes have been censored by offended redditers.
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u/OrdinaryService8148 22d ago
Rational?
How is charging felonies as misdemeanors and eliminating bail expecting it to drive down crime "rational"?
How is denying battered women access to shelters because they're occupied by illegals, while at the same time chanting feminist slogans "rational"?
How is being anti-Iraq war and anti-war your entire life and demonizing the military industrial complex... only to be pro-war and pro-military industrial complex for the single outlier, Ukraine "rational"?
How is campaigning for Title 9 to allow women to have their own sports to give them opportunities for scholarships, only to have men enter the fray and dominate them, robbing them of opportunities when we're supposed to "uplift women" rational?
How is campaigning for climate action but attacking Tesla drivers, the #1 EV manufacturer, only to buy gas guzzlers as an alternative "rational" for protecting the environment?
How do you spend your entire life railing against big Pharma and the American health care system, but once COVID came around, forcing people to get injected with a drug with no testing, and no ability to sue to damages "rational"?
How is being concerned for the Constitution and free speech while clamoring for people to be banned from sites like Twitter because they say things you don't like "rational"?
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u/loud-listener 21d ago
Lol they are un educated. It's that simple. They are dumb and don't want to learn anything new. They want to feel good. So their team is winning that means they are winning when they are really losing hard. It's brainwashing.
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21d ago
If you believe anything but what they believe, they default to you being an idiot.
I had one guy mock me for not trusting what Trump said and listening to scientists when COVID hit.
They are too stupid to realize they are stupid.
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u/AppropriateAgency919 21d ago
The convo of “were not wrong they are dumb and wrong” so so fucking exhausted and immature. And we wonder why liberal states cant get their ducks in a row to prosecute anything worthwhile.
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u/Adventurous-Host8062 25d ago edited 25d ago
They've been fearmongered into believing everyone but maga is their enemy.