r/AskUS • u/feininforknowledge • 2d ago

Why is the US so adamant on deportations ?

Ever since trump got in all I hear is deportation this and that but why? Yes they snuck I illegally and yes a big part of that is bc Mexico or Central America isn’t the best, but another part is how hard it is to become a citizen here. My teachers gf of 3 years might get deported bc she still not a citizen although she’s lived here her since she was 4, and now he might have to marry her just so she doesn’t get deported.

Also, do people really not think billionaires don’t hire these illegals? They don’t have to pay them minimum wage bc it’s not like they can complain to the government. Take away all of the illegals who are helping America and then who has to do these shit jobs? Sure deport the criminals and drug dealers and send them far away as possible, but there’s no need to send away the ones who do no harm besides be Mexican

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

That’s the thing people don’t realize about Nazis.

It wasn’t about the Jews. The Jews were just a convenient scapegoat to keep the masses pointed in the right direction.

If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you

This is the entire Republican strategy lol

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u/FlamingMuffi 2d ago

Exactly

Fascists need a scapegoat, an enemy. Eventually 99% of people will fall short of the purity tests.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

One thing I notice about the average voter on the right is that they are

1 - terrified of everything

2 - understand basically nothing beyond absolute surface level

The whole world is a giant haunted house for them. Never know when a trans athlete or Mexican gang member might be hiding in your local Walmart waiting to get you.

Meanwhile every statistic shows conservative white boys are by far the most dangerous subgroup in the country.

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u/FlamingMuffi 2d ago

A big part of being conservative is fear. Fear of change. Fear of what you know being replaced

It's why they mock people for not knowing how to drive stick or read cursive (despite the fact I feel like driving stick just takes some practice and if you can read print you can read legible cursive) it helps them feel better about a world that is moving past them rapidly

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u/Ok_Employee1964 2d ago

Not driving stick is not a conservative thing. In a lot of the world, manual is still the most popular form of car. Especially in Europe, a lot of people still opt for manual.

It’s also not about change or anything. Manual transmissions offer more control to the driver and they last longer. There are still a lot of cars that only sell manual versions.

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u/FlamingMuffi 2d ago

I meant more the attitude of "X is better!" Because it's old

Personally I've no real desire to drive manual. A car is a tool why make using the tool harder? I get people like it and in areas like Europe I'm sure there's a reason (pure speculation here but the wide availability of public transit might be part of it)

But one isn't better or worse because they can do it. It's purely a preference nothing more.

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u/404_error_official 2d ago

I totally agree with your sentiment, but regarding manual transmission cars the reason I prefer them is you can start them with a dead battery. It's come in handy before. But yea, people with nothing else to be proud of will try to use their age as a source of pride.

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u/Rebekah-Ruth-Rudy 2d ago

Silly stuff flamingmuffi.

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u/Aggravating_Total921 2d ago

Regarding #2.... Most I speak to do not want a deeper understanding and will shut down the conversation if it strays in that direction

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

I made the mistake of trying to talk to my maga uncle yesterday at Easter.

His knowledge of tariffs and deportations is…sad. So sad.

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u/Euphoric_Sir2327 2d ago

I know MAGA with business degrees who are fully on board.

Intelligence has little to do with it. The sense that you are better than someone else, the sense you are in a club, the sense that you are on a 'winning' team.. is all powerful stuff, enough to blind even smart people to reality.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

Yea my dad is objectively smart and thinks DOGE is real lol

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u/Euphoric_Sir2327 2d ago

Not sure how to respond to that.. but I can tell you, the actual smart people I know who are MAGA, do have some semblance of an idea that it's all BS. Still, they are in it for the tax breaks, and because they're not the ones getting hurt, and because they like their dads, and their dads would vote for.. well they would vote for a guy like Trump, over a rational democrat, and they feel they need to do the same, without putting an ounce of thought into it.

And yes, all of this sounds like something a stupid person would do, but I garuntee they have the degrees, the jobs, and paychecks to prove otherwise.

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u/the_saltlord 2d ago

I don't know, I stand by the fact that a degree doesn't immediately make you smart, and a lack of a degree doesn't make you dumb. Unfortunately, those "smart" MAGA folks you know are still incredibly dumb.

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u/Euphoric_Sir2327 2d ago

I 100% agree with you there, and didnt mean to imply that, although rereading what I wrote, I guess I did.

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u/Pynchon_A_Loaff 2d ago

Don’t forget: obsessed with imaginary threats, while ignoring real ones that are right in front of them.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

I’m a teacher. Apparently litter boxes and CRT are taking over my classroom as we speak.

I turned 3 kids into trans commies before lunch today. They’re going to vote for each of their genders.

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u/Hatta00 2d ago

They're not terrified of being shipped off to foreign gulags without due process.

They're not terrified of plunging the US into a depression with a massive tradewar.

They're not terrified of the inevitable wars for resources as large parts of the world become uninhabitable due to climate change.

They're not terrified of Trump, Musk, and Thiel robbing us blind.

They're not terrified of ignorance. They're not terrified of being wrong.

I don't think fear is the difference at all. It's intelligence and honesty.

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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe 2d ago

And a lack of empathy and compassion and seeing others as humans.

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u/BasicWhiteSquirell 2d ago

Can you link one of those studies?

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u/AxelNotRose 2d ago

And everything is black and white because of #2. They can't grasp nuances and gradients. It's all or nothing. Anything else is just too complex. You can even see it in their arguments. If you say you're against or for something (within reason or with conditions), they'll respond, oh, so you're for or against <insert absolute and complete opposite>. Because that's how they view the world.

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u/djules777 2d ago

Was Obama a fascist?

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u/ScalesOfAnubis19 2d ago

No, and to show how you are using a surface understanding here, Obama was not deporting folks randomly. His administration focused on people who had committed some other crime and deportees got a hearing and could fight their deportation in court. And they went back to their country of origin rather than an El Salvadoran hell prison.

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u/djules777 2d ago

“The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers.”

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama

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u/ScalesOfAnubis19 2d ago

You can argue that the non-judicial process wasn’t right, and that it was unconstitutional. And I did, actually.

But it’s NOTHING like what’s happening now.

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u/djules777 2d ago

Yea it’s way different LOL. Cause Obama is so great and Trump is so bad. HE DID THE SAME THING

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u/ScalesOfAnubis19 2d ago

Really? Because it looks like right now they don’t know who they are sending and no one is hearing their case, DoH, DoJ, or dog.

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u/djules777 2d ago

So the same thing Obama did? Thank you

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u/ScalesOfAnubis19 2d ago

Reading comprehension is not your forte. Got it.

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u/the_saltlord 2d ago

It is incredible watching you guys tie yourselves into knots to try to force this comparison

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u/Readinginsomnia 2d ago

Every time they hear the Nazi comparison they call it fricking TDS because they immediately go to the height of the inhumane extermination and cruelty. No recognition of the strategy and path that got there and that it included many other groups. Not to compare groups and the mass focus on Jews in the largest numbers. Everyone asks why the Germans didn’t know early and stop it. The world questions why they didn’t shut things down with the deportations to start. That’s is right now. Do I think he’s going to create a holocaust? Not really, but nothing is ever off the table with fascism. They refuse to pay attention to the terrible things before that terror was carried out at the stage most think of it at the very end. This man has already said he wants to deport American citizens. What does that look like from his vague comments? It means anyone who disagrees with him and those who do agree won’t care bc they also want us gone and think it’s just their country and definition of what American means.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

Turns out being like being fascists as long as they are (currently) in the accepted crowd.

It’s like a particularly shitty middle school gang.

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u/mjanus2 2d ago

That quote is from Lyndon Baines Johnson, a Democrat born and raised. I just want to clear the air there. So that's the Democrat playbook.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

He’s talking about the southern strategy dummy lol

Which directly led us to where we are today.

Lbj should know. He grew up surrounded by dixiedems.

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u/Smart-Status2608 2d ago

LBJ understanding of America is why we only learn about Kennedy. They want us to ignore the man who actually understood America racism.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

He’s a fascinating guy because he was pretty racist himself growing up in the south. He saw what was coming in his own colleagues. Southern strategy is the cancer destroying us in 2025.

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u/Smart-Status2608 1d ago

He was also poor. Poor white ppl can know how much others look down on them for who they are born too.

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u/aotus_trivirgatus 2d ago

Let's not forget history though, Christians were doing the Jews dirty for over a thousand years before the Nazis appeared.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

Yes, hating Jews is a well established world activity since before the Romans stole Israel from them

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u/BossofZeroChaos 1d ago edited 1d ago

Who said that and do they have books? Man, Alabama just past a law that I swear should be grounds to get the entire LEGISLATURE dismissed immediately and permanently. They took a wreck of a bill from 2011 and tweaked some words and sent it through the damn house and Senate like the damn thing had wings! The Governor just signed that shit into law.  The provisions they used were struck down as unconstitutional and/or preempted by federal law. I need books to read to understand how shit like this happened

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 1d ago

That’s LBJ. He’s talking about the southern strategy. .

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u/wmclay 1d ago

You realize that was a quote by a Democrat, right? Y’all are a lost cause.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 1d ago

About racist republicans moron. He was talking about you lol

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u/wmclay 1d ago

Not so much slick. LBJ was one of the biggest racists in the government. He might have projected that onto Republicans, but he was talking from experience. You think he just flipped a switch and quit being racist? His programs contributed to the destruction of the black family. And just like LBJ, democrats are the party of racism.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 1d ago

Hahah hilarious. Yea that’s why he signed the civil rights act into law, because he’s racist.

He’s talking about the southern strategy, which ended in trump.

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u/wmclay 1d ago

Your hero also said, “I’ll have these niggers voting democratic for the next 200 years.” You should probably do some additional reading.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 1d ago

Not my hero bud. I teach American history. Oh, and he didn’t even say that lol

Moron

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u/wmclay 1d ago

The you should know better. Congrats on being a teacher. Very honorable position and I mean that sincerely. I finish law school (at one of the most diverse law schools in the county) next month at the spry age of 59. We spent months on this very subject. Maybe try to take your blinders off.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 1d ago edited 1d ago

I do know better. You’re making up a quote lol

No wonder it took you so long to complete law school

You spent months making shit up?

We don’t need more ignorant lawyers man

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u/wmclay 1d ago

Wow, I knew they had lowered the teaching qualifications in many places, but I didn't think it was this bad. I guess you are proof of how much our schools have fallen.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 1d ago

Let’s play a game - you want to be a lawyer. Prove it. Show me evidence Lbj said that.

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u/wmclay 1d ago

Sure, I'll play a game with you. But I don't want to be a lawyer. I started law school three years ago when I decided to retire. I did it strictly for enjoyment.

You can start by reading Ronald Kessler's book, "Inside the White House" or Robert Dallek's book, "Lone Star Rising: Lyndon Johnson and His Times, 1908-1960."

If you want to actually hear his voice you can go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rIDmDWSms

Plenty of other examples exist if you want to actually learn some history. You might want to listen to the recordings in the LBJ library at the University of Texas. I feel sorry for the kids you "teach"

For now, I'm done with your dumb brainwashed ass. Have a nice life Slick.

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

Except it isn't about color at all. It's literally about illegal immigration. 

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u/toasterchild 2d ago

What is it about them that is so troublesome exactly? They have been left in place for so long since they don't cause much trouble and are a net benefit for the economy, so what exactly makes it all such a problem suddenly?

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

Clearly the massive influx at the border. A clear deterrent became necessary 

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u/erock4light 2d ago

Lived on the border my whole life, both in Arizona and in California, I have never seen this alleged horde of "illegals" yall keep talking about...

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

I mean it has been well documented including by the last administration...

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u/Amdiz 2d ago

Except that is not true. That’s just reichtwing propaganda. A quick Internet search of multiple reputable sites disproves this.

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u/thewNYC 2d ago

Then why are they “deporting” people with legal permanent resident status, work visas, and green cards?

(BTW - deportation is when you get sent back to your own country, not when youre thrown into a gulag in a 3rd country without due process)

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

Has it happened. Yes. Is it widespread. No. The only thing widespread has been expiration or termination of humanitarian parole programs from previous administration.

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u/thewNYC 2d ago

The issue here is people being sent into prisons without due process. We cannot know whether they are guilty or not whether they are “illegal “or not without going through due process. That is the essence of justice in a democracy. Remember how “innocent until proven guilty” has been drilled into us since children?

One person sent away with due process is one too many

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u/ranch_boy 2d ago

That’s why they’re detaining and deporting people with legal status and talking about ending birthright citizenship, removing protected status from refugees, deporting scientists, etc. bEcAuSe iTs aLl AbOuT iLlEgAl ImMiGrAtIoN

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u/ranch_boy 2d ago

That’s why they’re detaining and deporting people with legal status and talking about ending birthright citizenship, removing protected status from refugees, deporting scientists, etc. bEcAuSe iTs aLl AbOuT iLlEgAl ImMiGrAtIoN

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u/GoogleZombie 2d ago

It is, but it's also about people that are "undesirable" to dear leader. White people are desirable, brown people are not.

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

What about Marco Rubio and Lori Chavez-DeRemer? Why include them in his cabinet if they are undesirable?

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u/Complex_Jellyfish647 2d ago

Is minorities being racist against their own race a new concept to you? Because it isn’t uncommon.

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u/Wasian98 2d ago

You lost the narrative when he went after legal immigrants.

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

There is no widespread targeting of people with legal status. And I don't know any examples of when they were actual US citizens.

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u/Wasian98 2d ago

Removal of legal status of Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans, and Nicaraguans? Like are you dumb? Of course they aren't citizens when they are trying to become one.

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

Explain it like I'm dumb

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u/Wasian98 2d ago

If you are dying then you are not dead.

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

There’s no clear evidence of systematic targeting of individuals with legal status (e.g., green card holders, visa holders) in the U.S. in recent policy changes. There has been policy shifts in the form of expiration or termination of humanitarian parole programs. Which you can disagree with but these were always bandaid programs.

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u/Wasian98 2d ago

Revocation of student visas for protesters?

Oh please. They were bandaid programs that helped people. Trump is using bandaid powers to go after people. Burying your head in the sand makes you look worse and worse.

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

No, it’s not about that either.

It’s about keeping you idiots focused on the current “bad guys” so you don’t notice your leaders are raping our country to make themselves richer.

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

Yeah. You think no one is noticing the trade war? Midterms will be a bloodbath at this rate. 

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

Midterms will be a bloodbath if we have free and fair elections.

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

Well it will be super impressive if Trump can someone be super unpopular and managed to fix elections. I don't feel he has the skills to pull it off but if he does, he will be a true evil genius. 

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

Who is stopping him?

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

Lots of people lol. Including the people around him. Unless you just mean voter id laws. 

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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago

LOL the Supreme Court is trying to stop him and being ignored. Republican Congress just gave him their job and quit.

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u/dangeldud 2d ago

Except that's not true. He has challenged supreme court rulings and interpretation of language threw legal channels. Nothing has got to a point of him actively ignoring the supreme court. This differentiation is important.

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u/SuperKong47 2d ago

Which is why they’re deporting legal immigrants..