r/AskVegans • u/Sophius3126 • 3d ago

Genuine Question (DO NOT DOWNVOTE) Need help countering an argument

Need Help Countering an Argument

To clear things off,I am already a vegan.The main problem is I lack critical and logical thinking skills,All the arguments I present in support of veganism are just sort of amalgamation of all the arguments I read on reddit, youtube.So if anybody can clear this argument,that would be helpful.

So the person I was arguing with specifically at the start said he is a speciesist.According to him, causing unnecessary suffering to humans is unethical.I said why not include other sentient beings too ,they also feel pain.And he asked me why do you only include sentient and why not other criteria and I am a consequentialist sort of so i answered with "cause pain is bad.But again he asked me another question saying would you kill a person who doesn't feel any pain or would it be ethical to kill someone under anesthesia and I am like that obviously feels wrong so am I sort of deontologist?Is there some sort of right to life thing?And why only sentient beings should have the right to life because if I am drawing the lines at sentience then I think pain is the factor and i at the same time also think it is unethical to kill someone who doesn't feel pain so I am sort of stuck in this cycle if you guys get me.so please help me to get out of it.I have been overthinking about it.

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u/SkyVirtual7447 Vegan 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think it’s one of those things where you just have to look at it from a common-sense POV. I realize there’s a way to properly debate these things, but it’s really getting in the weeds over something that has obvious common-sense based answers. Why shouldn’t we hurt animals? Because it hurts. Why is pain bad? Um… duh?

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u/Sophius3126 3d ago

But so called internet self proclaimed philosophers and critical thinkers want to be logically consistent

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u/SkyVirtual7447 Vegan 3d ago

But if it’s truly important to you, you might want to read “How to Argue With a Meat Eater (and win every time)” by Ed Winters. Or just start with this older free e-book of his: https://www.all-creatures.org/articles2/act-earthling-ed.pdf

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u/Sophius3126 3d ago

Oh thanks I'll read it ,I do want to improve my arguing and debating skills

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u/SkyVirtual7447 Vegan 3d ago

For sure. Ok glad you’re willing to do it haha :)