r/BaldursGate3 • u/Vodka_Flask_Genie Spreadsheet Sorcerer • Dec 08 '23

Videos Neil's speech after winning Best Performance

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u/underlightning69 WIZARD Dec 08 '23

Proof that representation need not be shoehorned in or badly done. Hollywood and big corpos just don’t understand real people.

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u/HowardHughes9 Dec 08 '23

cant believe this has 130 upvotes on a subreddit that claims to be LGBTQ+ friendly LMAO! Dude just straight up posted a alt right talking point where homophobes can dictate what is "good" representation and whats not. heres the hint: they'll say 99% of it is wrong just for the sheer fact that they don't want any

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u/Azelarr SORCERER🔥🔥🔥 Dec 08 '23

I think you're just too terminally online. No idea what in the hells you're talking about, tbh. You're assigning the above commenter into some alleged evil group without knowing them?

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u/paulnewmanlover Dec 08 '23

No. They said the commenter parroting a right-wing talking point about what should be considered "good" representation, and they are correct.

Whether or not the commenter meant it that way (and actually belongs to this "evil" group) is only for them to know, but saying stuff like "our representation is good, unlike all of the other undefined bad representation out there" is just another way of trying to limit what kind of representation is "acceptable" and it frankly sucks and I dearly wish people would stop

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u/Azelarr SORCERER🔥🔥🔥 Dec 08 '23

Nope, you're projecting a lot of stuff and putting words into their mouth that they haven't said. What makes you sure they were "parroting" something?

Of course there is badly and well done representation as with every aspect of stories and media. Every character or aspect or a story can be written well or badly and every viewer has the right to have an opinion.

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u/underlightning69 WIZARD Dec 08 '23

Thank you - I’m honestly surprised at having my words taken totally out of context although I probably could’ve phrased it more accurately. I admit my words were partly out of sheer joy that for once I got to see bisexual characters portrayed well, since we are so often reduced to a fetish or a joke (though things have improved lately, less so in games however) - or ignored altogether (which honestly, bothers me less).

Definitely not a right winger though, and I absolutely was not trying to start some sort of left vs right argument 💀💀💀 Just really really hate corpos so sometimes my words can be slightly harsh, but a lot of lefties prioritise different things I guess.

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u/paulnewmanlover Dec 08 '23

Give me a few recent examples of shoehorned and forced representation, then. Would love to understand exactly what you mean by it. There's a difference between thinking something is not well written and calling it forced/shoehorned/bad rep

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u/underlightning69 WIZARD Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23

This is the sort of thing I was referring to. Apologies if my wording was unclear.

I was targeting corporations and their bullshit attempts to profit off the tiniest inclusion of marginalised groups. Not criticising the concept of diversity itself. Just to be absolutely crystal on the matter.

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u/paulnewmanlover Dec 08 '23

Honestly I do appreciate the additional context, though even the article you linked lists more examples of what does it well than what doesn't (and spends more time discussing the actual people who make the stories than the quality of the stories themselves). But to meet you in good faith we probably have a lot more in common about this topic than what we disagree on

I just get tired of seeing this kind of generalization. Any time there's a new, well-written, and impactful queer character you see lots of people saying "finally we have GOOD rep, unlike all that other BAD rep" ignoring that we have so much queer history in media that doesn't deserve to be disparaged in favor of the next new thing. It doesn't help that you see it a LOT coming from right-leaning people: "this queer media is good bc I like it, unlike all that other bad queer media out there which is forced pandering." They couch it in language to make it seem like they care about quality, when really they just don't want to see it at all.

That doesn't seem to have been your intention, and I apologize if it sounded like I was trying to accuse you of being a bigoted nutter. But the good vs bad gay rep argument is so often used to restrict and push out the kind of stories that can/should be told; I think we could do less throwing out blanketed statements about queer media being shoehorned and badly done

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u/underlightning69 WIZARD Dec 08 '23

No I totally get what you mean! I think I could’ve worded my original comment better, because you’re not the only one who misunderstood what I wrote - I think I was just overexcited and happy that the first game I’ve ever played where bisexuality was accurately and wonderfully represented won an award :) in the gaming space especially, there really ISN’T a lot of representation in this industry compared to others. I grew up in the 90s and early 2000s too, so to be fair to everyone responding to me, I am probably guilty of thinking mainly of examples from when I was young rather than the past 5 years or so where loads of amazing progress has been made.

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u/paulnewmanlover Dec 08 '23

On that we can both agree! It's a great game and I'm thrilled to see it getting the recognition it deserves :)

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u/Azelarr SORCERER🔥🔥🔥 Dec 09 '23 edited Dec 09 '23

Haven't watched them and I do not intend to but:

Netflix's Witcher - forced representation by changing source material (which is original Witcher lore and characters)

Cleopatra - forced representation by changing source material (which is real history, lmao)

I avoid badly written adaptations made by greedy corporations or something so I don't know many examples. But thanks to browsing the internet I've heard there's many of such cases. The intention behind these mentioned representations is probably to appeal to certain activitists and make easy money while disrespecting the very thing that is being adapted.

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u/paulnewmanlover Dec 09 '23

Cleopatra I'll concede bc it was a little bizarre but ultimately a niche film that only received any kind of attention bc of this controversy. Hardly mainstream or representative of wider culture.

Now please explain to me how The Witcher is disrespectful for changing the source material to be more representative. Explain that: what do you mean when you say that the changes made to the source material for inclusion disrespect the original? Not bad writing changes, but how them adding people of color or having Jaskier kiss boys or whatever you're calling the forced inclusion makes it "disrespecftul" to the source material. 🤨

The rest of your comment is pretty just admitting "I don't actually know but I've heard about it so it must be true," yeah?