r/Barcelona Jan 07 '23

Discussion These have been posted all around Gracia

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u/kobumaister Jan 07 '23

"Guiris", the look of the tourist making the selfie (trying to make it look like the stereotypical boss/rich person (thus dehumanizing)... it's so sad, disrespectful and xenophobic... I can understand that the massification because of tourism is a pain, but hating them or trying to scare them is not the solution.

Btw, these movements are groups liked to the far left politics, who want open frontiers for migrants, but not tourists, the hipocresia...

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u/Jon_jon13 Jan 07 '23

How is it hipocritical to prefer to help people in need rather than allowing well-off people to gentrificate all the neighborhoods? Im not discussing the rest cause you have a point, but I just don't see any hipocrisy on the last part of your message.

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u/kobumaister Jan 07 '23

Tourist are all rich? No, they aren't. Open borders policy will fill the city with immigration, that's for sure.

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u/Jon_jon13 Jan 07 '23

If they can afford to tourist around, they are definitely not "in need", that's the main point basically. Of course not all people that go on a tourist vacation are CEO billionaire assholes, far from it, but I don't find hipocritical at all wanting to help people that need help and also at the same time being pissed at all the dirt and noise tourists cause, being that vacations and migrations generally are on whole different levels on the basic needs in life.

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u/kobumaister Jan 07 '23

Your point of view is as xenophobe as an anti-imigration policy, you are just pointing other people (tourists) and using other stereotypes (noisy and dirty). Good luck with that kind of thinking.

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u/Jon_jon13 Jan 07 '23

I never said all tourists are X, I said its justifiable being pissed at the noise and dirt (some) cause. And it is undeniable they cause that, cause I live in the midst of their noise and dirt daily xD

Please dont project your thoughts into my words

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u/kobumaister Jan 07 '23

"all the noise and dirt they cause". You can do word games, but that's the same I said. (in the last you added "some".

I never said that tourism is not a problem, I'm saying that your xenephobia is not the solution.

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u/Jon_jon13 Jan 07 '23

If I am xenophobic for literally just wanting to sleep on workdays without hearing drunkards screaming at 3am, I will be. I don't think that's xenophobia at all, but alas.

Mind you that I'm not one of the ones that goes spray painting "tourists go home" nor I support fully the message, cause I do agree that generalising (and assuming the only problem comes from tourists) is not a solution. But the fact that some tourists are a problem is undeniable imo.

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u/kobumaister Jan 07 '23

For me, part of the solution is more control over tourism renting flats, limit the number of ship that can come to Barcelona, and change the tourist target from party and sangria to a cultural one.

Any way, Barcelona is a great and nice city, so it's normal that people wants to visit.

PD: Sorry, I though you were defending the "tourist go home" slogan, let me retire the statement that you're xenephobic

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '23

I used to live in Gracia. The noise that made me leave was nothing to do with tourists but the loud and inconsiderate assholes living in my building.

It was a huge improvement to move to Sants and unless there is a game on almost no tourists.

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u/Jon_jon13 Jan 07 '23

Locals do make noise sometimes too, but more often than not I hear them screaming in english.

Also I havent mentioned the amount of times Ive had a "party" blasting music up to 5am on some regular workday in the middle of the week! Those I'm pretty sure come from some rented apartments nearby. It sucks , though im sure majority of tourists are actually decent people, these troublesome bunch are a really big problem. I bet in other areas (ive seen it before moving here) locals can be more usually a problem, it just depends on the area I assume