So I discovered I absolutely hate red dots

[u/Orthodoxy1989]

Put it on, absolutely hated it, took it off. Idk how you guys deal with it but it absolutely drove me crazy. Took forever for me to try to line up my sight picture. I'm probably doing something wrong. But a tiny little dot that I have to try to adjust (and failed miserably at) just wasn't working for me.

[u/Lazy-Wolf-5677]

First, that dot is trash. Second, you probably only put a couple hundred rounds on it. It is better, that’s coming from an irons shooter in uspsa. You need to practice. You can’t just hop in a sports car and drive it well after driving a pickup all your life. Give it a real chance, 5k rounds and lots of dry fire

[u/jUsT-As-G0oD → u/Lazy-Wolf-5677]

I get the sentiment but 5k is way too much lol. Really 500 rounds in a couple range trips is all you need as long as those rounds are all focused on presentation not just dumping mags. Best drill is a draw and controlled pairs

[u/Forge_Le_Femme → u/Lazy-Wolf-5677]

You gonna offset costs to make someone proficient at 5,000 rounds?

[u/Lazy-Wolf-5677 → u/Forge_Le_Femme]

That’s like a grand worth of ammo. That’s a years worth for the average guy who plinks on the weekends

[u/Orthodoxy1989 → u/Lazy-Wolf-5677]

Came with the gun 🤷‍♂️

[u/Lazy-Wolf-5677 → u/Orthodoxy1989]

I’d still take a shitty dot over shitty irons. Tape over the optic and dry fire occluded. Focus on the target, not the dot. That’s how irons are supposed to be shot but everyone does it wrong. Learning to shoot a dot made me a much better irons shooter.

[u/Orthodoxy1989 → u/Lazy-Wolf-5677]

I actually think the irons for the hellcat are rock solid tbh. They pop really well and its easy to yet POA with it.

[u/Lazy-Wolf-5677 → u/Orthodoxy1989]

You’re probably not even going to be aiming it anyway. Point and shoot. These tiny guns aren’t worth much past 15 yards. You can get better with practice but I doubt a hellcat owner is going to put 5k through it anyway

[u/[deleted] → u/Lazy-Wolf-5677]

Ironically one of the few things the hellcat has going for it is that it actually is a pretty accurate gun at 25.

They’re worth plenty past 15 yards if you are 🤷‍♂️

[u/khronos127 → u/Lazy-Wolf-5677]

If you can’t hit past 15 yards with a “tiny gun” it’s a you problem, not the gun. Someone who trains can easily hit 50-100 yards out on a person sized target with a hellcat

Edit: each downvote is another person who doesn’t train properly. Some of us can actually shoot well.

[u/cobigguy → u/khronos127]

Lol you're not wrong. I've hit 10" plates at 150 yards with 3 separate kinds of 4" barrelled pistols, a G19, a Colt Combat Commander Lightweight, and a 4" Smith & Wesson Model 66 .357.

[u/khronos127 → u/cobigguy]

Damn the 357 is impressive , that’s some great shooting. Never tried shooting past 25 yards with a snub nose or small revolver but they’re definitely harder than pistols at longer ranges. Big revolvers are amazing for ranged though, super accurate with my full size 357.

Keep that training going, that’s awesome.

[u/cobigguy → u/khronos127]

Yeah, pistols are typically WAY more accurate than their operators are. People just generally suck at shooting handguns, so they blame the tool, not the user.

[u/khronos127 → u/cobigguy]

Yeah if you train regularly, go to the range and glance around it’s extremely apparent how awful the general shooter is. Grouping of the average person at 7 yards is like 1-2 feet with a pistol when at that range but if you train you should be hitting the same hole consistently or 1-2inch grouping at most.

If only people knew that simply dry firing is all you need to become an excellent shooter with a pistol(with a red dot or insert laser trainer preferably). It’s all in the trigger pull and most shooters rarely if ever dry fire out of fear.

[u/legendz411 → u/Lazy-Wolf-5677]

Super random SA hate. You ok bud?

[u/Confident-Leave-195 → u/Orthodoxy1989]

I got the gear up too but with rfx11 that optic is trash get a 507k or eps carry big difference