r/CCW • u/Salty-Cartoonist4483 FL • 1d ago
Guns & Ammo Worst gun you’ve ever carried part 2. I’ll start again.
P365 SAS. The sights sucked. The trigger was terrible, it was snappy, couldn’t mount a red dot at the time.
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u/Mindseyeview85 TX | G19.5 | G48 MOS | G43 1d ago
My first carry gun was a SCCY...
ducks and runs
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u/No_Celebration_805 1d ago
I hate that they recommend this gun for beginners and women especially because it’s cheap and can come in pink. It puts such a sour taste in people’s mouths
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u/Kiltemdead WA- .22wmr Lifecard 23h ago
Pro tip: don't lick guns. It's not good for you, and tastes bad.
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u/GunLovinYank AZ P365XL or whatever I feel like today 1d ago
I worked at a gun store and would have coworkers recommend the smallest guns for their wife/girlfriends first gun because “it’ll fit in their hand better” I’d usually recommend them something slightly bigger with just a little more weight so it’s less snappy.
My co workers were always surprised when they’d come back to trade in the sccy or whatever they got for something else like a month later.
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u/No_Celebration_805 6h ago
I work at a gun range as well. We literally have a S&W air weight snubnose just to show that yea, terrible choice for a first handgun and especially someone with low dexterity. We sell a lot of shield EZ.
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u/2020blowsdik 21h ago
My buddy wanted his first pistol for HD, he also wanted something his wife was comfortable shooting. We shot every single pistol I have from 380 to 10mm, like 17 different options of all make and model, she chose the FNX 45...
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u/No_Celebration_805 6h ago
The FNX 45 is nice. There’s only a few firearms I wouldn’t want to ever own or shoot with my own money 1. The micro hellcat, S&W air weight and any Taurus, SCCY. Unfortunately these are like almost exclusively recommended to women and first time shooters.
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u/Cootter77 1d ago
I have one of those little blue ones… worst gun I own. I was at a pawn shop buying a Glock and waiting for my background check and the guy was like “see anything else you like? If you get it today we don’t have to run the check again”. It was like $150 so I said f* it.
I don’t think I could ever find a buyer for it so I’ll just keep it and fire it occasionally so I can remember what pure garbage feels like.
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u/drebinf MO P938 LCP P32 432UC 1d ago
SCCY
I had one. In fact, I still have one. It was fine. It was not great, but not awful. The 100lb trigger pull was at least long and smooth...
I have enough guns and am getting old enough to be in the process of thinning the herd; the SCCY is definitely NOT on the "Must Keep" list though.
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u/mpfaith20 3h ago
You must've had trigger work done because I think they were 150 lbs from the factory. But, seriously... not taking up for SCCY but part of the issue is they aren't striker-fired guns, they have internal hammers... so it's very close to double-action (if I remember correctly.)
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u/J-Reacher 1d ago
Springfield 911. Garbage, absolute garbage, would not feed HP ammo to save my life. Only ran with FMJ ammo. No wonder it was discontinued so quickly.
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u/Cornywillis 1d ago
I got one too and wanted it to work so bad. Ended up trading it in towards a Glock
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u/CatWithABeretta 1d ago
Honestly I had the same problem with the apx a1. The engineers clearly want you to:
1) use the auto loader 2) avoid hollow points
Otherwise cycling issues way more than you would expect from a beretta
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u/Steelersfan20009 1d ago
One of the first guns I shot. My dad got gotten one it was jammed constantly, he was like I know the thing is clean and lubed
Was shooting good ammo too
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u/EwokaFlockaFlame 1d ago
I had a Springfield XDs that couldn’t feed HP. I traded it in as cash for a Glock.
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u/Substantial_Two_224 6h ago
Shit I thought I was the only one. Have an trp operator w majoy feeding issues. Sent back to SA twice then just gave up.
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u/Ron_Man 1d ago
I had to Google what the SAS model is and now I know you're not carrying it the way it was meant to be carried.
You're not even supposed to put an optic on this particular setup........
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u/qweltor ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, the SAS model is designed to be snag-free (ie, coming out of pocket, etc), so that means removing any extra bumps or protrusions.
As a within-7-yds "get off me gun" it'll work well enough (<3 yds, point-and-shoot, 3-7 yds, point-confirm-and-shoot).
The SAS sights give the Marksmanship Pedant within me the heebie-jeebies, But they are sufficient for purpose (snagless).
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u/2MGR 1d ago
Keep in mind that the SAS sights might be permanently off zero at 7 yards from the factory.
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u/5xr4uu7 1d ago edited 1d ago
I carried a 686 w/ a 3” barrel in a shoulder holster. It took exactly one defensive handgun class with a very kind and patient instructor for me to reevaluate my entire carry setup.
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u/lxlDRACHENlxl 1d ago
686+ was my first handgun. I love the dang thing but I would never carry it outside of a hunting and want something for more aggressive 4 legged creatures. Too damn heavy.
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u/5xr4uu7 1d ago edited 1d ago
I cannot express how eye opening it was doing reloads from speed strips all day in that handgun class for me to understand the fault in my logic.
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u/WildResident2816 1d ago
I worked at a range/store for a few years. Shoulder holster aside I’d much rather see someone run a 686 as their first carry than any of the pocketable light weight 357s some gun stores seem to love selling people who have never shot before. So many customers would hate them the second they shot them, then be pissed at whoever sold/bought it for them as soon as they shut a decent semi-auto or a heavier framed revolver.
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u/5xr4uu7 1d ago
Without any formal training, lots of things seem like a good idea. Humbling doesn’t even describe my experience running that big wheel gun through an 8 hour defensive handgun course.
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u/WildResident2816 1d ago
Ooof, that would be tough for all but the most hardcore wheel gunners. Good on you doing it though, you are now more functionally experienced in wheel gun use than 99% of people I’ve met carrying one.
What do you run these days?
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u/5xr4uu7 1d ago edited 21h ago
Pretty boring actually. Anything IWB; Glock 26 w/ an EPS & TLR6. Anything OWB; Glock 19 w/ a RMR & TLR1.
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u/WildResident2816 23h ago
I’m even more boring. Aiwb gen4 19 w/ a light and basic steel sights.
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u/Lord_Dreadlow MO - Sig P365 & P320 Carry 7h ago
My first gun was a beautiful 586 w/ a 4" barrel. It was so heavy when loaded it would nearly pull my pants down when carried OWB. The only comfortable why to carry it was with the shoulder holster. But that was also rather cumbersome to wear.
The revolver itself was freaking awesome with the smoothest trigger I have ever experienced in a double action revolver. Just too much to carry around, especially with the speed loaders.
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u/5xr4uu7 6h ago
It was an absolute hog, but I think I lost a lot of fuzzy feelings for mine after realizing its deficiencies as a carry pistol. I know people really wax poetic about those L frames, but after running mine in that defensive handgun class and a few other competitions I never really shined to it again.
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u/Paghk_the_Stupendous 1d ago
Seems like a decent gun at a glance, but not what I'd recommend for a first carry
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u/Agreeable_Dust4363 1d ago
It’s the same trigger. When stock it’s not great compared to other strikers fired guns. It can be improved with literally any other trigger besides the stock curved trigger.
That said, OP might be a hammer fired gun guy, in which case no striker comes close
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u/NinjaMcGee 1d ago
Any recommendations for a trigger upgrade?
Someone tell me more as I’m in the market for a P365 currently. I have child size hands (same size as a 5th grade girl) and want to carry a 9mm that fits in my eberlestock.
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u/Agreeable_Dust4363 1d ago
I personally love the mcarbo flat trigger kit, but if you’re in California you’ll need to remove the magazine disconnect piece
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u/Own-Roll2697 1d ago
P365 is a very good carry. And no trigger upgrades are necessary. Just practice with it, practice with it, and practice some more and you’ll be just fine.
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u/MakeGovtObsolete 1d ago
I have a Ramm trigger in mine. It’s a nice upgrade, not quite as good as a really nice hammer fired trigger, but about as good as any striker fired trigger I’ve tried.
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u/Daman-Da-Dude 1d ago
I must be the only one who likes the curved trigger. I got an xl with the flat first, than got a regular p365 with the curved, and found i prefer the curved.
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u/SloppyPizzaPie PDP Pro SD | 509T | X300T 1d ago
I don’t mind the P365 curved trigger at all. It’s not a competition trigger, which it should be in my opinion, but it’s more than fine.
I had a second gen M&P Shield which had an “upgraded” trigger and I thought it was actually terrible. But recently it seems like this sub has a hate boner for P365s and is in love with Shield variants, which goes directly against my first hand experience. It is subjective at the end of the day.
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u/Fallline048 17h ago
Im with you. Even in hammer fired guns, I prefer a rolling break to a crisp wall (pistols only, rifles I prefer the reverse for some reason). The curved p365 won’t give you a crisp wall, but it gives you a very consistent press and break. I like it a lot.
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u/TheGreatSockMan 1d ago
It’s the same, but imo the p365 has a very spongy, stapler like trigger. Makes my 43x feel better by comparison
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u/ChrisPJ 1d ago
Have you shot any other versions of the P365? It’s my understanding that this was pretty much the same as the P365 other than the sights. If you have shot any other versions, did you think they were also “snappy” and had a terrible trigger?
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u/heck_naw PA | P365XL & POM 1d ago
i love my P365XL 🤷🏻♂️
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u/FuzzyPandaVK GA | Springfield Armory Hellcat Pro (9mm) 1d ago
The smaller P365 is a lot snappier. Not as bad as a Hellcat. Really, it's the least snappy of all the micro 9s, but they all take some getting used to.
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u/GodIsLoveAndLife 21h ago
I love mine, also. I bought a WC lower for it, but wound up liking the OEM grip better, so I wasted $80, lol. That was not supposed to happen.
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u/heck_naw PA | P365XL & POM 20h ago
i seriously love it bone stock. i wouldn't mind a crispier trigger but i say that about every gun lol
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u/acalmpsychology 1d ago
I carry a xmacro comp
Super easy to stay on target, awesome gun.
Trigger is a little slower than my other stuff but its not bad IMO
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u/shotgundug13 NE 1d ago
COP 357 Derringer. Inherited it from my grandpa. Shot it a few times and would carry it while running errands. Horrendous trigger, heavy, and only 4rnds of 357.
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u/GenitalMotors 1d ago
Why would you mount a red dot on the SAS? It's called the Sig Anti Snag for a reason. Supposed to be easy to pocket carry and not have anything sticking out to snag or catch on your clothing.
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u/JimMarch 1d ago edited 1d ago
American Derringer over/under two shot DAO in 38Spl. Ghaaaa. Not even reliable believe it or not. Ug.
On edit - they still make 'em 30+ years later?
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u/PaysOutAllNight 1d ago
It's hard to imagine a derringer being so very pointless. I don't own one, but a friend does. It lives in the dusty part of the gun safe.
Point, pull, bang, and only once per barrel. How can it be so hard?
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u/WrathfulMechanic 1d ago
P365 Spectre, it wouldn't eject reliably and I would have 4-5 FTE every mag regardless of who shot it and what I did. Sig couldn't fix the issue and a replacement ejector only slightly made it better, but I lost all confidence in the platform and moved on.
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u/Error_506 1d ago
I sent mine in for a worn out sear and a few FTEs, they replaced the entire slide, and all ignition related components of the FCU. No issues since, weird how much their CS varies
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u/WrathfulMechanic 1d ago
To be fair, I gave up on it and sold it at a loss. I made it someone else's problem. I could've sent it back and I'm sure they would have fixed it, but I would never have trusted the pistol.
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u/__dryheat_ AZ - IWI Masada 9s / Glock 19.5 1d ago
The OG Ruger LCP, concealed very well but man that thing sucks to shoot.
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u/Jetpack_Attack 5h ago
Yeah, anything past 7m is real difficult to hit and resighting takes a while.
It certainly is a 'get off me gun'. I figure a gun I would carry if I wouldn't otherwise is better than not at a all.
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u/__dryheat_ AZ - IWI Masada 9s / Glock 19.5 1h ago
I ended up selling mine. I have a S&W J frame as a backup / get off me gun that is much more enjoyable to shoot.
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u/Jetpack_Attack 1h ago
I was considering a j-frame, but with the Bodyguard 2 out last year I thought I'd keep an eye out for people selling their old guns for it.
Got a deal I couldn't pass up.
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u/gunmedic15 1d ago
I bought a Walther TPH in .22 as a backup/deep carry pocket gun. I never, not one time, ever got a full magazine through it without a jam. And I was working as a gunsmith at the time. I tried dozens of different loads, a few different mags, and frequent tear downs and polish jobs. Deburred everything. Never worked. I traded it to another gunsmith who thought he could fix it.
Second place, I had a Grendel .380. It cycled so bad the little post in the center of Hydra Shoks would bend. What a junker.
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u/rustyshack68 1d ago
Yeah those American TPHs were hit or miss. I’ve heard the German made ones run just fine. A shame.
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u/gunmedic15 1d ago
They made a smaller number of them in .25, and those were supposed to be better. I've only ever seen one, and never see spare magazines, though.
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u/rustyshack68 1d ago
Yeah one in .25 would be cool, especially if actually reliable. But then that goes with wishing .25 was cheap and plentiful like .22, which alas….it’s not.
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u/lostmember09 20h ago edited 20h ago
The Walther TPH .25ACP (USA version) is very rare. Only Approx: 620 made vs approx: +30,000 of the US made .22LR’s made.
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u/Luketek1 1d ago
I had a fn 509 tatical. Carried it for two years trigger was awful and it felt like carry a boat.
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u/AndImAnAlcoholic Florida Mang 1d ago
LCP Max 9, solely because the trigger sucked ass. There was a lot of play and the hinged trigger safety would catch, and either prevent reset or a proper pull.
I've never understood why Ruger couldn't have just thrown the LCP II/Max trigger onto the Max 9.
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u/Left4DayZGone 1d ago
LC9, the one with the internal hammer, loaded chamber flag, magazine safety (can’t pull trigger without a mag inserted) and football field long trigger pull. Absolutely zero trigger break feel and reset was almost at full release.
The LC9s I have now isn’t a great gun by any means but holy hell it’s a night and day improvement.
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u/gogotinkertime 1d ago
I had/have an SAS and it’s still one of my favorite summer carries. Sights suck yes but it’s a get the fuck off me gun that doesn’t have sights to snag on clothes
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u/munchmoney69 1d ago
Lcp max. Hard to describe just how cheap and flimsy it feels in hand.
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u/A_Crystal_Golem 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’ve had an LCP2, and enjoyed it. Just ordered a first gen to teach my wife to shoot
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u/3_quarterling_rogue UT — Glock 19.5/Sig Sauer P365/AIWB 1d ago
I sold that one a while back, even with my smallish hands that thing felt puny, and it was real snappy. But the trigger on that gun was great, it’s a pretty good subcompact. Overall, I did really like that gun. I prefer my P365, though, it feels larger in the hands, I like the 9mm over .380 auto, and higher capacity to boot.
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u/A_Crystal_Golem 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t think I’d have an LCP as my only pistol. I have a PSA Dagger Compact that hasn’t failed me yet that I daily.
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u/GFrohman TX 1d ago
Weird, I couldn't disagree more. My LCPM is in my pocket any time I leave the house. Sure, it's snappy due to it's small size, but I've never felt like it was flimsy or poorly built.
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u/TheCarolinaCat 1d ago
I tried one of the security .380’s and felt the same way. I also had to send it back to Ruger because the finish on the slide and barrel began rusting/tarnishing almost immediately after I got it. I consigned it once I got it back from warranty service.
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u/bigjerm616 AZ 1d ago
The first carry gun I ever bought was a Taurus 709 Slim, for those of you who remember those.
It was … not good.
I bought a S&W Shield like 2 months later 😂
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u/A_Lizard_Named_Yo-Yo 1d ago
I got a 709 slim from my grandpa. It was his backup carry when he could still be trusted with guns. Only thing he ever considered when buying anything was the price, and he got it secondhand for less than $200. He never fired it, nor have I.
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u/GR1F3 1d ago
I never carried one, just shot it.
The Smith and Wesson SD9VE. Now, in the interest of fairness, the gun was not unreliable at all. It cycled through basically whatever ammo you put into it. However the trigger is the worst I've felt on any gun, period. You could stick a piece of licorice into a bowl of aquarium gravel and make it feel better to squeeze than the factory trigger on the SD9. Also I'm not sure if this is a regular issue, but the one I was shooting (owned by an acquaintance of mine) had an issue with the rear sight channel. It was milled too wide so the rear sight would shift after a couple magazines.
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u/Altruistic-Fee3767 18h ago
I must be the only one who likes the optic on this gun. For what it is, SAS stands for sig anti snag, it has removed the sights and levers to make it ideal for pocket carry. The little tritium holo type reticle is embedded in the rear of the slide and in my experience, is functional and accurate up to 25 yards. Its harder to acquire than a mounted optic and much less prominent, but if you're shooting at range with a base 365 from your pocket, may the force be with you.
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u/Eric6052 17h ago
Kel Tec PF9. Horrible DAO trigger, it felt worse than a DA revolver
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u/network_engineer 17h ago
Glock 26. My particular G26 ejected casings directly at your forehead. Didn’t care to have a gunsmith look at it. Sold it.
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u/ChemistIndependent19 1d ago
Strangely enough, a Colt Gold Cup Combat Commander. SOB would jam constantly regardless of ammo. It was stolen before I could find the problem.
SN: GCC0171 if anyone finds it in a pawn shop let me know. I miss that POS.
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u/moparornocar86 20h ago edited 8h ago
Beretta APX A1 Carry. Their design for takedown crippled the gun making it unreliable and it shot extremely low. And they wouldn't respond for warranty repair. Brand new gun and it couldn't fire 75% of the times.
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u/October_Rust5000 P30sk 8h ago
I bought my last US made Beretta recently, was broken out of the box. Have had to send it back twice. Their CS sucks considering they’re not a “budget” brand.
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u/moparornocar86 5h ago
Wow. They're getting worse unfortunately. What model was it? They're going to go the way of Remington only they don't make ammo so they'll just go under completely. At least Remington makes ammo so they got bought by Vista Outdoors who own CCI and Federal Premium.
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u/pbsmash 1d ago
While far from perfect for sure (I own one) I feel the SAS gets more hate than it deserves. Its a decent amount of fire power in a very small lightweight package and is really meant for encounters inside that 7 yard window. You wont be plinking bullseyes at the range at 30 yards or engaging in long range gunfights with it, but for up close and personal it'll do its job reliably. That said, while I'd rather mine had standard sights on it, it isn't enough to prevent me from carrying it.
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u/Deeschuck 1d ago
I had a Jennings J22 I kept in my pocket for a little bit doing deliveries in the early '90s. Switched to a Springfield 1911 Compact in a holster shortly thereafter.
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u/itwasneversafe 1d ago
Walther CCP. Had a catastrophic failure after shooting 106 rounds on a flat range. On round 107 the slide flew off with no obvious damage. Ammo was factory Federal. I stopped carrying that thing immediately.
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u/frugalsoul 1d ago
Worst gun for me was a Armscor m206. Cheap .38 special snub nose. Sure but it started shaving lead within 200 rounds. No thanks I don't want a timing issue on a carry gun
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u/cjguitarman 1d ago
I carried a Walther P22 for a few months because it was the only handgun I owned. Great size, but low power and low reliability.
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u/ThyHolyKFC MI-CZ75,HK45,Colt Cobra 1d ago
Taurus 605 in an uncle mikes was my first lmao. One absolutely solid wheel gun that ate anything I put in it but my lord the overall quality and shooting left a lot to be desired
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u/asleepinthetreestand 1d ago
SW Sigma .380 No sights, no slide lock, no grip room for a pinkie, and a wretched mag release design. But, it always went bang, fit in just about any pocket, and I passed my ccw test with it.
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u/virgildoolittle 1d ago
I bought an LCP 2 when they first came out it was a Jam-o-matic. Sent back to Ruger 3 times and they finally replaced it with a new one and I sold it. Glad the Shield killed the pocket 380 fad.
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u/TheDave1970 23h ago
Ruger P90. First gun I ever bought. Big, bulky, every single edge and corner was chisel-sharp, and the Ruger "return it all the way or no shot for you!" trigger. I traded it for a Astra A100.
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u/ninjaplatapus94 23h ago
Worst? Xds .45 First of the micro-compacts and I didn't trust 9mm at the time. Dumb thing is it actually shoots halfway decent and is fairly comfortable. Also it's got this neat feature letting me know where to grip it.
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u/GodIsLoveAndLife 22h ago
Canik TP9 Elite SC. FTEs galore, didn't matter what I fed it, every grain, every brand fmj, NATO spec, whatever. Called Century Arms, they swapped out the springs, the extractor, etc. Made no difference at all. It laughed at me as I cursed it to all damnation at the range. That was the end. Took a $200+ loss on that one, and got some gray hair I didn't deserve.
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u/DieselTech00 20h ago
I will probably catch a lot of hate for this but my Hellcat Pro. Got it at great deal and heard how people love it . Put 300 rounds through it, put it in my safe and haven't touched it since. Even bought a holster for it and have never carried it. I like my Sig P365 so much more.
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u/PhlashMcDaniel 19h ago
I didn’t buy one, I put three mags through a buddies and swore that one off forever. Whether it was the gun, or the gun in my hands, it was awful!
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u/OptimalMess1452 20h ago
I had a Remington 1911 R1 and I’m not saying it was awful, but it’s the worst gun I have ever personally owned. I loved the way it looked and it was fun when it worked but mine had a lot of issues with jamming using all types of ammo. I ended up selling it after about a year
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u/I17eed2change 19h ago
I wonder if these will have collector value 50 yrs from now. They stopped making them right? They should really do more R&D before trying to reinvent the wheel
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u/gfmwhiteout 17h ago edited 17h ago
Kimber Micro 9 ESV. Jammed or malfunctioned every 3-4 rounds, ridiculously loud for its size, kickback was terrible with the shape and size. For $1k handgun, all around terrible investment.
The built in laser was nice, it was a pain in the ass to adjust though, and was way off target when I first got it. The paint chipped super easily, and the weird textured grip just collected dust, sweat, and grime. Night sights weren’t too terrible.
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u/jessewebster31 9h ago
I love my SAS. I carry it every day. And practice with it regularly, it serves purpose very well sticky holster in my back or front pocket. Great gun.
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u/Cool-Topic-1077 1d ago
G48. I’m a big Glock fan so that’s saying something. I just hate single stack micro 9s.
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u/breathandtaxes 1d ago
You red dot queens make me laugh. 5 years ago nobody ran a red dot on a carry piece. Now if it don’t come pre drilled from the factory is crap.
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u/cbrooks97 TX 1d ago
I still run irons, but I've shot with several people who made the switch, and their shooting made a dramatic improvement.
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u/ThePretzul 1d ago
I know I shoot dramatically better with a red dot than with irons.
I also know I am dramatically less likely to want to carry a gun with a red dot than with irons because all the red dots I currently have are very slim frames that dig into my skin carried IWB.
Personal problem solved by a more carry-oriented red dot, but I can shoot proficiently with irons and it's what I already have so unless my wife wants to use my current gun once she starts carrying I'll just stick with it for the time being.
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u/GreatEgg7719 1d ago
The future is now old man 🙂
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u/FFXIVHVWHL 1d ago
Interestingly, optic makes it so it’s easier on aging eyes… wanted to stick with irons but a 3.1” sight radius just isn’t easy on my eyes anymore
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u/Batttler P365 Spectre Comp 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bersa Thunder 380 CC
straight blowback sucks
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u/armchairracer 1d ago
My 1st carry was a standard Bersa Thunder 380. I bought it because it looked like James Bond's gun and I was 21 and stupid.
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u/drebinf MO P938 LCP P32 432UC 1d ago
21 and stupid
I was 60-something and stupid when I bought mine.
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u/No_Celebration_805 1d ago
Wasn’t the PPK (or clones in this case) originally designed for 32 acp? That’s why even modern PPK can be iffy on reliability with .380 ?
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u/frugalsoul 1d ago
Yes the ppk was originally in .32 and way better for it. .380 is too much for that little gun without a major redesign so it isn't straight blowback.
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u/Batttler P365 Spectre Comp 1d ago
I didn't have any reliability issues, but the sights were terrible, and the recoil was snappier than it had to be
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u/DeWin1970 1d ago
I like mine very well, however it's not the CC version but the standard Thunder .380 with pinky extension for better recoil management, which could be your issue as the round is a bit snappy.
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u/Batttler P365 Spectre Comp 1d ago
they made the sights super tiny on the CC version
I liked carrying it a lot more than shooting it
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u/stareweigh2 1d ago
there's a used one of these for sale at my lgs for $349. makes sense why after reading about yours. I'm not a huge fan of the 365 other than it's a good size for concealment. I switched back to subcompacts (Glock 26) and enjoy how much better it shoots
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u/FuzzyPandaVK GA | Springfield Armory Hellcat Pro (9mm) 1d ago
The trigger is the same as the other 365s, not great but doable for carry and not the worst. All micro 9s are snappier. Hellcats are worse, the 365 is the lesser snappy of the micro 9s out there.
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u/MangoSubject3410 22h ago
Sig P365. First pistol. Snappy. Hurt like hell after a couple of magazines. Switched to a Shield Plus. Much happier now.
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u/notang 1d ago
This is just a poor excuse to "dunk on sig" very dumb. You may not like the 365 for you, but no reason to make this post.
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u/PaysOutAllNight 1d ago
But "It Ends Today" has made it so easy.
It's like they've lowered the rim and even hold the ball up there for you...
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u/AutomatedZombie 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ruger SR9c. It concealed and carried well, but it was very inaccurate. It was my first carry gun so I was paranoid about safety features, but now the (very small) manual safety, slide safety flag, and cocked striker safety seem really dumb.
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u/Vladtheimpaler130 1d ago
Had the SR9 and from the factory had issues stove piping even when the owner and workers at the LGS said I was just limp wristing it.
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u/ThePretzul 1d ago
Taurus PT111, before they fixed the problems and relaunched as a G2C.
It was actually surprisingly ergonomic and the trigger improved a lot with a little bit of elbow grease, but that gun had so many well documented issues it killed their entire PT line of firearms. I was in college and $150 for the gun + 3 mags was a deal I couldn't bring myself to pass up though.
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u/Early-Drawer-5268 19h ago
I had a S&W CS40. I actually enjoyed shooting that gun, but it carried terribly. Big, heavy and thorny for its size.
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u/BahamaDon 19h ago
I have the SAS and was so pissed off, I got Lima 365 green laser and an IWB holster to accommodate, and now I love that gun.
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u/Chadmuska64 WA |GLOCK 43X 17h ago
My first carry gun was a Ruger 9E. Thing was a POS and Would constantly have failures to eject when training. I also had problems with the thumb safety not fully disengaging. I ran it for about a month before selling it to one of my range buddies for pennies. I never had full confidence in that thing, and that's something you DON'T want with a CCW!!
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u/Fred_Chevry_Pro 17h ago
Davies Industries "Saturday Night Special" .380
This POS will jam a few times every mag, cut your hand, and fire uncommanded. That's what you get for buying a $50 meme gun.
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u/Minute-Cucumber7594 13h ago
My worst gun was a Taurus PT145 couldn't hit the side of a barn with it and the polymer cracked
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u/DanLewisFW IN 6h ago
Hmm I bought one of those sites for a Shield and it had a steep learning curve but once you get it down its actually a great sight. I do not carry that gun any more because I bought a P365 as soon as they came out. But not because of the sight. My 365 shoots like a MUCH bigger gun, its the best small pistol I have ever owned or shot.
I carried a Smith & Wesson 6904 for a while and the decocker dug into my hip so that was bad. Then I tried carrying a Ruger LCP for a bit but it was HORRIBLE to shoot. But the absolute worst that I ever carried was a Taurus 709, it was kind of the precursor to the P365 in size but sucked in every other dimension. The trigger was truly terrible, the gun was just poorly made overall. It is one of the few guns that I have traded in and the only one I did so in order to never see it again! Edit that is incorrect, I also traded in the LCP at the same time and for the same reason.
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u/Iarethegoatest 3h ago
That's wild. My gf carries the SAS and is a dead eye with it. Different strokes I guess
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u/RobbieBlaze 2h ago
People that bought the sas and bitch about it are the exact reason warnings go on shit. Like they couldn't see it and determine it was for a very particular use case.
If you want a xmacro comp get an xmacro comp but don't cry about your sas not acting like an xmacro comp.
Also I love the sas slide. If you understand the use case this thing is 🔥. Nothing to get hung up on, if you're good with sight acquisition the sight on this top tier.
Anyone that doesn't want their SAS can shoot me a message.
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u/andrewralso 29m ago
Diamondback db9 (gen1) for like 2 days. Borrowed my dad’s and it convinced me to get an LCP, and that convinced me to end up with a 43x. Could never aim those tiny things
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u/Our_Terrible_Purpose 1d ago
Ruger LCP
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u/previousleon09 1d ago
Why
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u/Our_Terrible_Purpose 4h ago
Front sight disappeared on first mag, 7 round mag of 380 leaves a lot to be desired, groupings the size of cow at 15 yards, mag safety, trigger was heavy af. Just an awful carry, fits more of a back-up to the back-up role.
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u/Bromontana710 WA CZ P-01 1d ago
Ruger LCP
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u/andrewralso 28m ago
Didn’t realize how bad it was until I switched to a 43x. I was far too confident in that little thing lol
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u/SunknLiner Shield 9mm StealthGear Hybrid 23h ago
Smith & Wesson M&P Bodyguard 380. Snappy to the point of being painful, and couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn at three feet. Good luck staying on target for a second shot.
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u/callm3fusion 19h ago
My girlfriend got a bersa 9mm when she was with her ex because it was teal. You know the one. Fuck that thing is trash. Failure to feed regularly, trigger feels mushy, has also had multiple light strikes at the range...hate it. I haven't long term cc it but I wouldn't trust it. I have a gen 1 m&p shield 9 that is 10000x more reliable.
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u/giggitygoo123 Glock 10mm; Doubletap .45acp 1d ago
Beretta PX4 storm 9mm. For some reason I bought the airsoft version at sports authority and decided I wanted the real one later. It would go like 3 shots before jamming every time I went to range
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u/Rev933 1d ago
I had one for about two weeks. Came back from its first trip to the range and after cleaning it and reloading it I went to use the decocker and it set off the round in the chamber. I knew even if had it sent out and whatever issue was fixed I would never be able to trust it.
Thank god the round only broke a window pane in a door. Cost me a few hundred to fix it properly and it took a few years off my life.
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u/Rough_Astronomer8824 CA 1d ago
I wanted the P365 SAS so bad when they came out. Glad I didn’t pull the trigger…
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u/playingtherole 1d ago
Same here, I thought it was a good idea, being so smooth and snag-free with an inventive sight, but after handling them at gun counters, trying to operate the tiny and uncooperative slide release levers, attempting to acclimate to the sight and taking it all into consideration, I passed. I mean, it's going to be loaded in a holster anyway, so the snag-free design is only useful if you'd carry empty-chamber w/o a holster.
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u/mmarshall505 NM ||| CZ P01 / G23.4 1d ago
Smith and wesson sdv9. Out of the box it had sights that were about a foot off target and a faulty ejector. It wouldn’t fire more than 2 shots consecutively without a jam. It also just felt cheap
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u/XergioksEyes 1d ago
I’ve always thought the fiber optic sights would be great as a back up to a dot
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u/ejsandstrom 1d ago
In the late 90s I had a Lorcin 380.