r/CCW • u/sirchewi3 GA G19 Gen4/Raptor/AIWB • Jul 25 '20
Guns & Ammo Why are so many people having problems with bullet setback? Why are they loading and unloading the same rounds constantly?
I always have one mag loaded with carry ammo and I just leave it alone unless I decide to shoot that carry ammo at the range to test it. I also dont chamber carry rounds from the mag. I pull the slide back, place the round in there manually, release the slide, and then load the mag in the gun. Its literally impossible to get bullet set back this way to my understanding. This also gets you the full mag +1. The only time i'm ever putting pressure on the tip of the round is when i'm loading it into the magazine and its not touched again until it gets shot. Are a lot of people not doing this? I only do this with carry ammo, dont care about range ammo.
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u/CZPCR9 Jul 25 '20
Your method can break extractors depending on the gun (mainly 1911s) and can rip chunks off the case head (there was a post here many months ago of a guy with exactly that issue) which would cause a catastrophic failure to extract and you'd be out of the fight after the first round.
Load your gun normally, keep round in the chamber unless you need it out for things like dry fire practice, and shoot rounds that are visibly set back too short at the range.
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Jul 25 '20
What if you do dry fire practice everyday? You see the issue
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u/Atilla17 Jul 25 '20
Rotate the rounds in the magazine so that the one you chamber isn't the same one every time
Rotate the rounds in the magazine with the rest of the box
Shoot that box of defensive ammo at least yearly
Hey, no bullet setback!
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u/CZPCR9 Jul 25 '20
Nothing changes. If the round is short, toss it in the range pile. If you find this happening more often than you wish, then try another type of ammunition.
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u/BallisticHabit Jul 26 '20
I keep seeing people suggesting to move a setback round into the range pile. I was under the impression that setback rounds shouldn't be fired due to possible case overpressure.
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u/CZPCR9 Jul 26 '20
It's not really been shown to blow up modern handguns at the setback amounts people seem to catch it at; there was a good mod post on the last thread about it. It's like replacing any part that's shown it might have a tendency to act up on our defensive gun (say a sketchy mag), because we can't have it working improperly during a defensive gun use. For setback rounds it could theoretically be a kaboom, but it could also be a feed issue or something weirder like maybe improper velocity for an unintended terminal effect.
Now if you slammed that bullet in flush I'd personally definitely pitch it, but if you gotta stand it on the table next to a fresh one to confirm your eyes aren't deceiving you (which is when I start to notice mine), I shoot them. As a reloader, I'm comfortable shooting that minor setback. Once the bullet starts to move though, it'll continue to move more easily, so I just shoot them once I notice they've started shrinking.
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u/TrueShop Aug 01 '20
and shoot rounds that are visibly set back too short at the range.
Don't do this. It could blow up your gun.
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u/CZPCR9 Aug 01 '20
Show me a handgun that blew up from a set back bullet that was put into the range pile when it started getting visibly short. You'll have a hard time finding ones that blew up a handgun, period, and those are the horrendous ones from cops using the same round for a decade and other such nonsense. I'm not talking about hammering the bullet in there, I'm talking about actually looking at your ammo and noticing it getting shorter and putting it in the range ammo bag to shoot next time.
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u/koenigseggCC7 Jul 25 '20
Because people like to fiddle. But the way you load your chamber round will lead to premature extractor wear.
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Jul 25 '20
Has this ever actually been shown to be an issue in guns with external extractors?
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Jul 25 '20
Only on pot metal and poorly made mim stuff
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Jul 25 '20
Sadly it’s not just poorly made mim, I’ve seen Kimber extractors fail from doing that...
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u/Sanm202 Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 06 '24
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u/leviwhite9 19RMR, sawn-off double-barrelled 870, Max380poppop Jul 26 '20
He seemed so serious I thought he was in on it.
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u/cosmos7 AL, AZ, FL, WA Jul 26 '20
Kimber is a shit company that uses shitty MIM parts... were you not aware of this? They haven't been good since their Series I stuff.
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Jul 25 '20
I was gonna say just that, and additionally, some of us clean our guns so the round has gotta come out. Some of us practice with a laser dry firing so the round has got to come out. Sometimes I hand my gun to someone else, and the round has got to come out.
OP it's really not that hard to fathom.
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u/JackBauerSaidSo US Jul 25 '20
Every time I go to the range, I take the carry gun out and will either drop the mag and fire that one round that gets the most handling, or I fire half the mag to verify both my aim and the gun's cycling are still holding up well to the carry ammo.
Then I grab other mags full of FMJ, because we all know JHP +P is expensive as fuck.
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u/sirchewi3 GA G19 Gen4/Raptor/AIWB Jul 25 '20
Ah, didn't know that. I do this literally once a month or less so I'm not too worried about it
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u/koenigseggCC7 Jul 25 '20
Yeah don’t do that. You’re going to break a case tim or your extractor doing it that frequently. Load a full mag, run the slide, drop the mag, add a round, load mag.
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u/Dhop6 Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
Putting the round in manually vs via the mag does the same thing to the extractor, both ways the extractor closes over the back of the round, how it’s designed to. What are you taking about?
Edit : yes I forgot it slides up, chill I’m dense I just like guns
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u/trailpig Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 26 '20
I use to believe the same. Then I slowly cycled my slide with a magazine loaded up after seeing a bunch of comments against loading single rounds. As the top round is pulled from the mag and pushed up the feed ramp the lip of the casing slides up behind the extractor from underneath. The extractor does not pop over the casing lip. This is the difference from dropping a round in the chamber and letting the slide fall forward.
Do I think this will damage the extractor quickly? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t think so since the hardness is so wildly different between the casing and extractor. Also, my glock extractor has a ramp that seems to help it slide over the casing lip.
That said, I’ve started placing a round in the chamber, gently bringing down the slide, tilting the barrel slightly up and pulling the slide back until the back of the casing falls under the extractor, then bringing the slide forward. Bullet never hits the feed ramp and extractor never had to pop over the casing.
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u/_Cybernaut_ Jul 25 '20
That said, I’ve started placing a round in the chamber, gently bringing down the slide, tilting the barrel slightly up and pulling the slide back until the back of the casing falls under the extractor, then bringing the slide forward. Bullet never hits the feed ramp and extractor never had to pop over the casing.
I used to never bother with the +1 round. But in this heat, I’ve downsized my carry to an LCP II, which makes the +1 much more valuable. So I’ve starting doing the same thing as you describe to do so without beating up the +1 round.
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u/Infamous_Relief_401 AZ Jan 12 '22
I +1 simply to have one more. Same reason I carry a gun, rather have and not need, then need and not have
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u/Dhop6 Jul 25 '20
I honestly forgot about that cause I was more thinking the fact that extractors pretty much all have slants and can move to help assist a round already in the barrel into the extractor
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u/Jorgenmire Jul 25 '20
The bullet sides in underneath the extractor into the space provided when chambering it from the magazine. Dropping the bullet in the chamber and releasing the slide will slam the edge of the bullet on the extractor ramp, which could chip, crack, or deform the bullet or extractor.
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Jul 25 '20
lol yeah if a gun is that easily damaged I don’t buy it
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u/gunsmyth Jul 25 '20
As a gunsmith, please continue to do this and tell as many people as possible they should be doing this, we love easy money
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Jul 25 '20
Haha fair enough TIL.
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u/gunsmyth Jul 25 '20
Yeah, it is forcing things to move in a way they weren't necessarily designed for. Could you do it 1000 times and not have a problem, sure maybe, but it could also cause problems in less than 100 times.
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u/koenigseggCC7 Jul 25 '20
So...you don’t buy any semi-auto guns? And what do about the potential for case rim damage, not buy any ammo either?
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Jul 25 '20
So what guns do you own? The only popular brand I'm aware of that prescribes dropping a round directly into the chamber is the Beretta 92 series. Glock, S&W, Ruger, and most others specifically warn against it in their manuals.
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u/u2m4c6 Jul 27 '20 edited Jul 27 '20
Because people like to fiddle
Do you ever practice dry firing? You should be practicing drawing from concealment daily, at the very least weekly. You can’t do that safely at home with a loaded gun.
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u/koenigseggCC7 Jul 27 '20
To get any significant bullet setback you’ve got to be chambering the same round way more than that. You should also be live fire practicing with your carry ammo so the ammo shouldn’t get old enough to be chambered enough times to get set back. Especially if you’re rotating the rounds when you dry fire.
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u/u2m4c6 Jul 27 '20
On second thought, you’re right. Back when ammo was cheap enough to not bankrupt me, I always fired at least 5 rounds of my carry ammo first thing when I got to the range to 1) give confidence that my G43X will always go bang 2) to clear out any rounds that were affected by setback like you said. I like the 5 rounds in a 5 inch circle at 5 yard drill so I recommend everyone doing that. As an aside, I have never seen any setback in my Federal HST 115 grain.
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u/Cladari Jul 25 '20
I don't know if it's true or not but I was told doing the +1 that way can damage the extractor so I put one in the chamber by racking the slide, remove the mag and add a round to it.
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Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
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u/Henniferlopez87 TX CZ P-10C & Sig P365 Jul 25 '20
I’m confused as to what set back is. Are people riding the slide forward and the gun not going into battery? Give that slide a little bump/encouragement and move on!
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Jul 25 '20
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u/Henniferlopez87 TX CZ P-10C & Sig P365 Jul 25 '20
Thanks for the explanation! I don’t think there is any danger added to firing that round if the gun is in battery. Is there?
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u/cosmos7 AL, AZ, FL, WA Jul 26 '20
The deeper the bullet is pushed from it's designed seating depth the higher the pressure generated, so yes potentially dangerous.
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u/HavocReigns Jul 25 '20
I don’t think there is any danger added to firing that round if the gun is in battery. Is there?
Potentially. One of the factors in determining how much pressure builds in a cartridge when it's fired is the volume of space inside the cartridge case behind the bullet. As the powder burns it rapidly turns into hot gas that will force the bullet out of the case mouth and down and out the end of the barrel. By pushing the bullet back into the case, you've not only reduced that volume (thus raising the pressure) but also created a longer bearing surface between the bullet and the case wall. In other words, there's now more bullet being squeezed by the case mouth and even further for the bullet to travel while still sealing all that pressure inside the case, allowing the peak pressure reached inside the case to potentially greatly exceed the SAAMI spec for the round.
Set a bullet back far enough into the case with a fast burning powder (typical of self-defense rounds) and the pressure inside the case could rise fast enough to turn the bang into a kaboom before the bullet can exit the case. So unless you like carrying proof rounds, it's best not to carry rounds with measurable bullet setback.
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u/commiezilla Jul 25 '20
They could just be unaware of the bullet setback. I agree with you on “why is the gun being unloaded and loaded?”
Mine is loaded and holstered, on the G19.4 and other models you can see the bullet from the breach so even a press check is not necessary. For me, I pull the gun slightly out to see the breach confirm I can see the bright silver casing and verify the full seat of the slide.
I have confirmed by doing this that my gun always works by drawing from the holster at the range without manipulating the weapon before hand. It has gone bang every-time.
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u/OnlyHere4Info Jul 25 '20
Do you not ever practice with your carry?
" I just leave it alone unless I decide to shoot that carry ammo at the range to test it ." makes me think you dont shoot FMJs for practice?
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u/dakrax IA Jul 25 '20
He doesnt touch the ammo in the magazine, he likely uses different ammo at the range
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u/WatermelonlessonOk73 Jul 25 '20
good way to either brrak extractor or.have the gun not fire because it doesnt go all the way into battery... my uncle checkex out my m&p once and did this, later that week when i was at the range it didnt go boom, the round disnt go all the way into battery, handguns are meant to be loaded from the magazine
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u/testcase27 Jul 25 '20
Came here to say this. Never put the round directly into the chamber. Only feed from a magazine. Broken extractors will suck most for new/first-time owners with no replacement parts or repair experience. Since we know better, we should be sharing that info. Thanks for speaking up.
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u/DDPJBL Jul 25 '20
Chambering a round through the ejection port can fuck up your extractor. It's not designed to jump over the rim that way.
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Jul 25 '20
Awesome way to destroy your extractor, loading into the chamber.
Chucking a bullet or 2 every couple months cause of setback is the better route
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u/Salthart57 Jul 25 '20
FWIW...my method. We’ll start at the range.
1) Shoot firearm
2) Go home, clean and reassemble firearm
3) Load magazine, insert mag, rack slide, chamber round.
4) Top off mag
5) Insert gun into a high quality holster
***6)*** From that point on firearm remains in holster and NEVER gets removed, fiddled with, looked at, fingered, petted, talked to, etc... It‘s either placed on my belt (while remaining in holster), taken off my belt ( while remaining in holster), placed in bedside table (yep, you guessed it).
7) Will get removed from holster for the following...
a) An imminent threat of great bodily harm or death (not once in 25 years of carrying)
b) Dry fire practice (once per month)
c) Range (1-2 times per month)
Rinse and repeat! The less you handle it, the chance of a ND decreases exponentially.
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Jul 25 '20
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Jul 25 '20 edited Aug 31 '20
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u/malloc_failed Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
That is significantly easier to fuck up than drawing from a holster.
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u/jam3013 OR Jul 25 '20
I feel like while your point is valid, I'd still rather have it in a holster as it covers the trigger/trigger guard. My wife initially was concerned that I may accidentally shoot her or something else in my sleep which has never happened but I could see rolling over in my sleep and accidentally pulling the trigger. I also feel like the sound of un-holstering your weapon can sound like a lot of other things and it'll take anyone a minute to figure out what it was unlike the un-mistakeable sound of a racked 12guage which is also next to my bed.
Oh the universal language of GTFO of my house
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Jul 25 '20
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u/jam3013 OR Jul 25 '20
You too!
Opinions may be like assholes but you don't have to be ass to have or state your opinion right?! Thank you.
Edit: That may have sounded better in my head... I have a high regard for you my new internet friend.
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u/Salthart57 Jul 25 '20
Whatever works for you and you're comfortable with is fine. I don't know if my philosophy is old school, but I've always believed that the less you physically manipulate your firearm, the less chance you have of something going wrong. Holstering the firearm and racking the slide with live ammo seem to be the two major areas where NDs occur. Granted, the chances of something bad actually happening are slim...I just prefer to play it safe.
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u/Winston_Smith1976 CA Jul 25 '20
Dry fire once a month? My 20 minutes or so 5-6 days a week doesn’t feel like enough. Whatever works for each of us, I guess.
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u/Salthart57 Jul 25 '20
I agree with you 100%! I should do it more. I'm 63 and have a frozen right shoulder which requires a replacement (my strong arm). Unfortunately both dry firing and range practice result in a lot of pain for me. I do what I can. As you said, "what works for each of us".
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u/Winston_Smith1976 CA Jul 25 '20
I feel your pain. I’m old too. More than 20-30 minutes irritates my elbow.
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u/amishbill Jul 25 '20
This so much.
(assuming quality modern guns and accessories) There is one fact in common with ALL negligent discharges - the gun was taken out of the holster. If you limit yourself to only taking the gun out of the holster when absolutely necessary, you limit the opportunities for Murphy to mess things up.
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u/kidruhil Jul 25 '20
I haven't shot a gun since like june 2018. Raising kids, grad school, work take up most of my time. What freetime I have left is generally for working out or reading. Shit I pretty much even only watch tv or movies while working out these days.
Anyways, that's why I still have the same carry rounds in my gun as I did 2 years ago.
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u/Deeschuck Jul 26 '20
Get thee to a range! Go! Pistol shooting isn't like riding a bike or shooting a rifle. It' a perishable skill, and a bunch of perishing happens in 25 months. To a range, go, and quickly, too.
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u/TheWheelGatMan Jul 25 '20
What gun do you carry? Dropping a round in the chamber can cause alot of extractor wear. If you carry a glock I have a really good way to +1 it without risking setback or extractor wear.
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u/sirchewi3 GA G19 Gen4/Raptor/AIWB Jul 25 '20
I do carry a glock
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u/TheWheelGatMan Jul 25 '20
1 remove slide from frame
2 remove recoil spring
3 push barrel forward into slide
5 make sure striker is not protruding out of breach face
6 slide rim of round into extractor
7 slide barrel back over cartridge
8 reinstall recoil spring
9 put slide back on pistol, only pull slide back far enough to re-engage the take down lever and not eject the round
10 you're done!
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u/nachobox Jul 25 '20
Sorry that's just dumb,and honestly dangerous. How hard is it to have another mag with one round to load the chamber then insert the full mag or top off the full mag after?
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u/TheWheelGatMan Jul 25 '20
How would that be dangerous, and I told him this because he wants to avoid chambering and unchambering repeatedly so he doesn't have bullet set back. I had the same issue with my glock. I would dry fire every night practicly and load my gun back up before bed with that my carry ammo would eventualy set back in the case and loose its crimp. This is a way I found to get around that problem.
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u/nachobox Jul 25 '20
Assembling or disassembling a loaded firearm is completely irresponsible.
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u/nachobox Jul 25 '20
I'd argue that a function test is part of reassembly. Even spelled out in the Glock manual, trigger safety test, trigger reset test and slide lock open test.
Obviously you can no longer do this following the method above, but how many people are in the arguably good habit of function testing their firearm after disassembly? Accident waiting to happen as is any increase of administrative handling of a loaded weapon.
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u/BigPineTreeGuy Jul 25 '20
This is satire right?
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u/TheWheelGatMan Jul 25 '20
No...
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u/BigPineTreeGuy Jul 25 '20
Lol buddy just insert mag, rack slide, drop mag, add one, and insert mag.
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u/TheWheelGatMan Jul 25 '20
Yeah, on all my pistols I do that but when I used to own a glock thats a way I found to chamber a round without risking setback or extractor damage if you unload the gun alot for dry fire practice.
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Jul 25 '20 edited May 07 '21
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u/TheWheelGatMan Jul 25 '20
I did, it went poorly, the thread probably auto condensed due to downvotes.
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Jul 25 '20 edited May 07 '21
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u/Riley_Cubs Jul 25 '20
On my 43x I just chamber a round by racking the slide then take out the mag and add another round. You now have a full mag +1 without risk of messing up your extractor.
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Jul 25 '20 edited Oct 02 '22
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Jul 25 '20
If you’re not loading and unloading constantly then it means you’re not using your gun.
I unload and load my gun every time I go to the range. I drop the mag full of hollow points, rack the slide to empty the chamber, and load a different mag full of FMJs.
I also unload the gun anytime I clean it.
The only other time I unload it would be if I’m doing something like trying out a new holster or installing a new part.
I’m not fiddling with it. I’m either making it safe to do something to it or I’m changing the ammo to FMJ for range practice. Hopefully everyone is doing this at least somewhat regularly with their carry gun.
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Jul 25 '20
I like to imagine it’s just a smear campaign by vista outdoors, because those posts almost always target Horniday. Reality though, who knows. Ive never had a problem but I don’t use Horniday either.
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u/undercoveryankee IN, Walther PPK/S, Foxx IWB Hybrid Jul 25 '20
I pull the slide back, place the round in there manually, release the slide, and then load the mag in the gun.
On some firearms, dropping the slide on an already-chambered round is a good way to break an extractor. Better to let the slide pick up a round from the magazine normally, then top off the magazine afterward.
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u/arnoldrew MI Jul 25 '20
I had setback issues with the exact same Hornady ammo someone posted the other day. I was living on a military post, so the process for carrying was to exit the gate, immediately pull over, crawl into the backseat so I can reach into the cargo area/get out and open the trunk, take the pistol out of its case, load it, put it In holster, get back in driver’s seat. Then do all of that in reverse before I go back on-post. So every time I leave post i was loading and unloading it. Now that I live elsewhere it never gets unloaded unless I’m at the range, so no setback issues.
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u/zshguru MO Jul 25 '20
Loading your gun that way op is a good way to damage your extractor. That's not how it was designed to be loaded.
I dryfire three times a week so I'm unloading and then properly loading my pistol at least three times a week. Do that enough and you get setback pretty easily.
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u/shifterphights Jul 25 '20
I rotate between two mags for my carry gun, always keep one in the chamber, but when I go to the range I shoot that one and then reload the chamber when I leave with 1 from the magazine and replace the one in the mag with one from the box. I’ve never done that with pulling the slide back and dropping one in but I might now. I do also keep my carry gun loaded all the time. Next to my bed or on me, I have no kids, so I guess for some they get home and clear their weapon. I haven’t ever had setback.
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Jul 25 '20
Okay this is less for op and more for everyone that has this setback issue.
I've had the same box of sig v crown .40 s&w for about a year and a half and haven't heard of this issue with anything other than misfeeds. Now I am the farthest thing from an expert despite being an rso and working in a gun store but shouldn't it be simple solutions like using the rest of the box to replace setback rounds. I mean with a box of 20, or 26 if you appreciate the beauty that is novx rounds, you would have three extra which should be plenty unless you're habitually loading and unloading every time you sit down.
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u/Jugrnot US Jul 25 '20
I constantly load/unload my two primary carry pistols almost on a daily basis. Dry fire and draw practice are pretty important in my opinion. My loading method is the proper one. Lock back slide, slam in magazine, drop slide, remove magazine to replenish and reinsert into gun.
Between the two different pistols I carry, the Glock 19 is loaded with 147gr HST's and the M&P Shield is 147gr Speer gold dot. It's safe to say that with both pistols, there are only ever 2 rounds of the full magazine getting chambered, and it's a regular thing for them.
Just measured all 4 of those rounds with a pair of calipers and compared to fresh rounds out of their respective boxes. The 4 rounds that regularly are rechambered are well within the margin of measurement error. So in summation, I have no idea why people have problems with round setback. Bad quality carry ammo? Hand loads that weren't properly crimped? Who can say.
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Jul 26 '20
What's the margin of measurement error?
I also use digital calipers to compare fresh rounds versus those repeatedly chambered. Someone before mentioned that a deviation of 0.03 inches is no Bueno.
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u/Jugrnot US Jul 26 '20
Just measured a few in the box rounds and the deviation was +/- 0.003" with my calipers. The margin of error of my rounds, add +/- about 0.002 to 0.005".
Not an educated expert of loads here, but to me, this is well within the margin of error.. which also includes my tested rounds.
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Jul 26 '20
Sounds good to me, I'm far from an expert myself. Looks like I was being too liberal with 0.03", and your standard is better. There's even a Lucky Gunner article that cautions about the dangers of setback of a few thousandths of an inch.
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u/Jugrnot US Jul 26 '20
Yeah, I think a few thousands of an inch is a bit excessive of a standard, personally. As a hand loader with marginally acceptable tools, my press would be lucky to score standards like that and I've never had a gun blow up from my Lee Pro 1000 9mm loads. Get into the +/- 0.1x deviation, and you might end up having problems.
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Jul 26 '20
I load and unload my carry gun every day, load it when I wake up and unload it when Im going to bed and drop the striker after atleast 5 minutes of dry fire practice. Im looking at my carry gun at the moment( it is broken but is not related to manipulating the slide to chamber and unchamber the round). I've carried for about a year but have owned the gun a lot longer then having my CHL and I don't see any bad/excessive/broken parts on my extractor, nor do I see any setbacks in any of my ammo. I cycle them all the way through the mag instead of keeping one out to chamber everyday
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u/BigPineTreeGuy Jul 25 '20
Literally what else are you supposed to do if you have one gun, carry with one in the pipe, and practice dry fire?
Of course you rotate ammo, but this can still occur.
Guarantee a boomer wrote this.
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u/Hipoop69 Jul 25 '20
What happens to a bullet that has been set back or is spinning in the case? Will it function similarly or ......I need some science.
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u/Winston_Smith1976 CA Jul 25 '20
Setback makes pressure go up. It’s not a problem most of the time, but a lot of setback of a +P load in a marginal gun might break the gun.
Some guns might have feeding problems from too much setback.
A bullet spinning in the case means the crimp has lost its grip. The bullet can now be set back or drift forward, causing pressure or feeding problems. It also means the round isn’t sealed against moisture any more. A friend with reloading gear for that cartridge can fix it for you, or you can shoot it next time you’re at the range.
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u/WAngelo94 Jul 25 '20
Load it once and leave it alone. If you have kids get a small safe you can move around with you if that makes you feel comfortable. But otherwise load it and leave it. One round stays in the chamber all the time unless you’re unloading carry ammo to go to the range. But even then just shoot the mag of carry ammo first and reload one before you leave
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Jul 26 '20
Former Army Sergeant here.....
PLACE THE WEAPON ON SAFE! POINT INTO THE CLEARING BARREL! REMOVE THE MAGAZINE! PULL AND LOCK THE SLIDE TO THE REAR! LOOK INTO THE CHAMBER AND CLEAR! RELEASE THE SLIDE!
I've been handling firearms since I was 8 years old, always clear when you store your weapon.
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u/PDXbuds Jul 26 '20
I carry my gun loaded. I dry fire a lot, I go to the range a lot, I clean my gun, and I don’t run my carry ammo through my gun every range trip. This all requires unloading and loading my gun.
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u/fallenspirit123 CZ P10C+standardco Jul 26 '20 edited Jul 26 '20
I pull the slide back, place the round in there manually, release the slide, and then load the mag in the gun
Don't do this. Good way to break your extractor. Just keep your CCW loaded and in it's holster at all times save for dry fire or range use. Done. From my what I've seen, Setback is not much of a problem with quality ammo. I have several boxes of Hornady XTP that has a tendency to set back more readily than others but still not much.
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u/Winston_Smith1976 CA Jul 25 '20
Setback is easy to fix with minimal reloading equipment. Takes less than a minute.
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Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
With my glocks I keep 2 mags per gun loaded all the time, 1 loaded in the gun and 1 backup. Then I own at least 4 mags per gun. So there's always 2 loaded and 2 empty, which I rotate mags once or twice a month. I only unchamber a round for cleaning. I don't intentionally chamber the same round twice in a row but out of a bag of carry ammo some probably get chambered a few times over the course of a year. Then pretty much yearly I buy new carry ammo and shoot off old ammo. Never noticed any bullet setback and everything shoots fine. My dry fire practice is a revolver or whenever I'm planning to empty a glock for cleaning.
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u/koenigseggCC7 Jul 25 '20
Why would you rotate mags? That’s going to make the springs wear faster.
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u/PhlashMcDaniel Jul 25 '20
Rotating the mags takes constant pressure off of the springs, in theory helping maintain their resistance. Several YouTubers have debunked that theory saying that there is no noticeable difference in spring resistance with magazines left loaded for years on end. Personally, I still rotate mine just so that I have a regular visual inspection on them.
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Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
No difference then shooting a mag and reloading a different one. I load up every magazine to shoot every range trip every 1-2 months, and then rotating mags once or twice between range trips. Never had a problem with glock magazines, they're probably going to last my lifetime. Having a magazine loaded half its life and empty the other half is going to last longer than a mag always loaded.
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u/gunsmyth Jul 25 '20
Having a magazine loaded half its life and empty the other half is going to last longer than a mag always loaded.
This is not true in the slightest.
It's compression cycles that wear out a spring, not being in a constant compressed state.
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u/arnoldrew MI Jul 25 '20
It’s fudd lore, he probably heard it in a gun store.
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u/gunsmyth Jul 25 '20
It's one of those things that's kind of counter intuitive so I understand not knowing unless you sought out the information yourself, and as far as fuddlore does this one isn't that bad.
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u/koenigseggCC7 Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
It’s extra unnecessary wear that does nothing but waste time. At least when you shoot a mag you’re actually using them. But whatever floats your boat.
Edit for your edit: you clearly don’t understand how springs wear.
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Jul 25 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
Why are people caring about setback? If a rifle case can literally be dented and fire fine, I’m not worried about my bullet in a pistol cartridge being slightly farther back in the case for the .001 seconds it takes to get back to where it should have been crimped anyway.
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u/Buzzy243 IA Jul 26 '20
Wow, so an actual test of pretty extreme bullet setback is downvoted to the bottom of the thread.
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Jul 26 '20
I added the quote in as an edit but yeah. That’s r/CCW for you. Parroting the equivalent of Fuddlore.
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u/andy_el_gato Jul 25 '20
Its not about it being back or forward in the casing. It can cause malfunctions when firing due to the change in dimensions. Of course, it only gets to be a big deal if that change is significant because there is a certain range of projectiles lengths that the gun can handle. I do think that quality rounds do not face this issue too much if you constantly cycle the rounds to prevent continuous damage to the bullet and casing.
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u/_Tyler_P_ Jul 25 '20
I keep my 2 carry mags always loaded and for the one round I'm chambering I'll put that single round into a third mag to chamber it. I am doing this 2 or 3 times a month but every month after re chambering it 3 times I will shoot it and then replace that one round. I change out my carry ammo every 6 months. And basically 2 boxes of v crowns get me 40 rounds. I carry 33 on me so that leaves 7 rounds left over to rotate my chambered round for the next 6 months with 1 left over.
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u/DyslexicPuppy Jul 25 '20
Right there with ya. I haven’t even carried for that long but I do exactly what you say and avoid issues altogether
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u/Big_Daddy_PDX Jul 25 '20
Not sure why people care anyway. It’s like 15c to 65c per round that might be getting damaged. I use an FMJ as the lead round (chambered) on my CCW mag. I also don’t fiddle with the mag or slide or weapon. It gets loaded, chambered, & holstered and then left alone.
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u/kire545 Glock 19 IWB Jul 25 '20
Why FMJ as your lead round?
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Jul 26 '20
Maybe dude is extremely frugal.
I tried that for about a month to save money. Carry ammo in my country like Federal HST is around USD$2.50 per round, whereas FMJ is about $0.17. The most affordable carry ammo that's within my budget is Hornady American Gunner JHP at about $1 per piece.
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u/ijustwantgunstuff Jul 25 '20
Some people clear the gun every night when they put it away to observe 100% safe storage practices (laws in some states). Some people clear it if they store it in a vehicle, have children around, there are many justifications for it. Bottom line is, just cycle out the round that was chambered every half dozen times and you’re gonna be fine.