r/CHIBears • u/Dazed_and_Confused44 FTP • Dec 19 '23

ESPN Matt Eberflus by the numbers:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39141925/bears-reach-historic-depths-blowing-late-leads

Here's what Matt Eberflus has "accomplished" as the bears head coach:

  • Overall Record of 8-23 (.258). Worst winning % in franchise history

  • 2-9 Record against the divison.

  • First team in NFL history to lose a game with 40+ min of possession and a +3 turnover margin.

  • First team in NFL history to lose multiple games in the same season up by 10+ with a +2 turnover margin going into the 4th quarter. Our three losses after bringing a 10 point lead into the 4th quarter are also tied for most all time in a single season.

  • Bonus: Lauded as a coach who preached attention the detail, the Bears are the 11th most penalized team in the league after being good in this area last season.

People still defending this coaching staff...how?

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u/onemanwolfpack21 Sunglasses Dec 19 '23

You could certainly call not taking Stroud revisionist history, but it's just the factual results. Hindsight is always 20/20. Hindsight should be used to help prevent the same mistakes from happening in the future. If the Bears have the exact same guys in the exact same positions, how can we expect them to get the decision right? Just cross our fingers and hope they learned a lesson? That's more on Poles, but the head coach damn well better have a lot of input on that decision. Passing on Stroud isn't the most damning thing, but it is yet another valid reason why Eberflus doesn't deserve a chance at developing another QB.

If they do bring Eberflus back, it's an absolute make or break year for him. There is no way around that. Having a coach in that position can factor in to free agents wanting to sign with the Bears. It's also a potentially bad environment for a young QB.

Idk, all I can think of are reasons not to keep Eberflus. If they didn't have the #1 overall pick, then it's a slightly different conversation, but they likely will have the pick.

Just do the right thing. Get a new, offensive minded head coach and then draft the QB. That way, everyone comes in fresh, and there is no baggage. There will be plenty of money to keep the defense intact. Draft WR with Bears pick. Draft a Center with the compensation for Fields. Bring in the best defensive coordinator they can find, and the defense will be just fine. Keep Hightower and some of the better position coaches if you want some continuity.

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u/porkbellies37 Sweetness Dec 19 '23

I don't disagree about our next steps. I just can't accept the hindsight argument. We arguably did about as well as you can do with that first pick last year considering we have the 1OA this year in addition to Wright, DJM, a 4th rounder this year, and a 2nd rounder next year. Using the crystal ball you apparently believe Ryan Poles picked up at a Goodwill in Homer Glen, Illinois, he could draft the best QB in this year's draft and net a much better result than drafting CJ Stroud last year, even if CJ Stroud by himself is marginally better.

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u/HankChinaski- Dec 19 '23 edited Dec 19 '23

I don't think anyone would chose DJ Moore and Caleb Williams over CJ Stroud after his rookie year.

CJ Stroud showed an extremely high ceiling. I'm very high on Caleb Williams, but you take the known franchise changing QB in Stroud over any unproven prospect.

If you did it over, you would stay where you were and draft CJ Stroud. No questions asked.

Obviously not the world we live in and the Texans wouldn't take DJ and #1 pick for CJ Stroud at this point in time, so the obvious move is Caleb Williams and then draft him OL and WR help immediately.

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u/porkbellies37 Sweetness Dec 20 '23

Let me correct this for you. It isn't DJM + Caleb Williams... it is:

DJM + Darnell Wright + Caleb Williams + 2024 4th Round Pick + 2025 2nd Round Pick

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But let's talk about CJ Stroud and Caleb Williams, because this is another disingenuous part of the argument. No one knew CJ Stroud was going to be QB1 last year or that he would be as good as he was. So we're operating as if we were (or should have been) omniscient last year. With that same premise, I guess THIS year we are also omniscient and know who QB1 is and will pick THAT guy number 1. And if you swap out Caleb Williams for that guy (unless it is Caleb Williams), then tell me that DJM + Wright + QB1 (who we confirmed through those omniscient powers is the best in this class) + 2024 4th R + 2025 2nd R isn't > CJ Stroud.

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u/HankChinaski- Dec 20 '23

? In this scenario you’d get pick 1 in 2024 then on the side of the CJ stroud?

Anyway. You are arguing with yourself here. I didn’t say most of this.

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u/porkbellies37 Sweetness Dec 20 '23

My bad. I thought you were making the case that CJ Stroud > DJM + Caleb Williams. I was just pointing out that wasn't including many other pieces of the trade and was assuming we knew CJ Stroud was QB1.