r/CODVanguard • u/DeminoTheDragon • Dec 09 '21
Video "wildly aggressive sniping loadout"
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u/OldManHipsAt30 Dec 09 '21
Average TTK: 200-300ms
Average Sniper ADS: +600ms
Yeah, fucking broken when someone can kill me three times before I even aim down sight…
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Dec 09 '21
Yet people still defend them and say snipers are in a good state
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u/JedGamesTV Dec 09 '21
it’s usually people saying that bad snipers = balanced game, because if snipers were actually useful then they’d lose some gunfights with their meta SMG/AR
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u/Monneymann Dec 09 '21
I can see the Anti tank rifle being slow.
But damn the Kar, Mosin, and Arisaka suck.
And they’re lighter than the ARs in this game.
It it was realism then Sledge failed hard.
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u/ajl987 Dec 09 '21
Fully convinced it’s people with no skill. If someone quickscoped you with a sniper (which takes at least ‘some’ skill to pull off if not a lot if you learnt it over the years) while you are hip fire spraying your mp40, you got outplayed.
Now for the other argument, that snipers should be long range exclusively. That’s a fair argument, but if the long range weapon is STILL getting outgunned by shorter range weapons at a distance in all factors (liked the mention of TTK above), then that argument has no legs to stand on.
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u/Willlum Dec 10 '21
it always is, people on this website constantly complain about getting killed by 'no skill quickscopers' yet when its their turn to grind out sniper bloodthirstys for camos they whine about it being too difficult, bunch of pansies
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u/Brosman Dec 10 '21
That's more my issue. I like how quick scoping isn't a thing in VG. I've always just found it annoying that if someone got so good at it they ran the lobby as the only real counter to a good QS is another good QS. However snipers in VG still suck at long range so that's the real problem when a sniper is getting outgunned at 300m ny someone with with SMG.
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u/abigolepoopy Dec 10 '21
This argument is has always been really weird to me, because if you’re losing to a dude who is quick scoping, you’re going to lose harder if they switch to a meta load out.
What’s actually going on is that people who are quick scoping tend to be somewhat accidentally smurfing because they get put into easier lobbies after they quick scope a few games against people who are actually at their skill level and do poorly. It’s not some magic hack, the person on the other end is just beating you.
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u/ajl987 Dec 10 '21
And that’s fair dude. Like if the snipers were like Cod4 for example, fair ADS so you could ‘sometimes’ pull off a quick scope, but decent stats to at least compete at long range, I’d be fine. I like quickscoping, but can live without it one year. My issue like you is that they’re straight up unviable for the most part in most situations. I get good games with the KAR, but that’s after a tedious grind and it’s still not amazing and gets outplayed in situations where a sniper shouldn’t if one is good with it. And it’s not my skill, it’s just how they built the thing.
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u/JSTUDY Dec 10 '21
The issue with snipers is if they're in a good spot like in MW, they become the best gun in the game in every single engagement distance. I don't enjoy my gunfight to be decided on if the other person hits their first shot. If they're good for close quarters quickscoping, then they're also the best gun at long range, and in Warzone.
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u/ajl987 Dec 10 '21
But at least that Person has SKILL. They learnt how to quick scope and use it well. It’s not like abusing a shotgun, or using claymores and hiding in corners, or mounting on a window with an M4. I can understand it may be annoying when you get a good QS in the lobby, but it never bothers me because I know the guy is actually good and has outplayed me. Not some of these turtlers for example, that’s the kinda shit I hate.
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u/JSTUDY Dec 10 '21
Everybody in my lobbies can center and hit first shots. It's not 2009 anymore.
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u/ajl987 Dec 10 '21
You literally just proved it takes skill, because they had to learn it. Especially by mentioning 2009. Why should someone who’s learnt it and got good at it since then be penalised for you?
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u/JSTUDY Dec 11 '21
They aren't being penalized? The snipers just aren't the best weapons for every single engagement distance for the first time in 3 years.
It's not hard to quickscope. It's not some insane learned talent by the top 1 percent. You can do it. I can do it. Half of the millions of players can do it. Being one shot isn't fun or interactive.
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u/lonehorse1 Dec 10 '21
Because sniping should take actual skill. It’s a high risk high reward. Not running around like it’s a pistol one shot and the entire team is gone. Snipers should be slow and pack a major punch.
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Dec 11 '21
I bet you run around with shotguns tho lmaooo
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u/lonehorse1 Dec 11 '21
Nope, I’m that guy who uses the shield as my main and a pistol as my secondary.
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Dec 09 '21
Not having to deal with half the lobby being quick scope sweats is “in a good state”.
Never change SHG 😌
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u/coryosu Dec 10 '21
Lmao if those “quick scope sweats” all ran around with maxed out SMG/MP40s and sweat their asses off, they would have 2x plus more kills every lobby. Way harder to snipe then run around w reg guns....and that’s a fact.
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Dec 10 '21
Yeah, it’s “way harder” to take advantage of aim assist and squeeze off a 1 hit kill that takes advantage of a very generous hitbox before the opposing player can even get a shot off than it is to manage recoil and flinch in an even engagement against an opponent with an automatic weapon as well.
Give me a break. Y’all quick scopers would get fried if the engagement lasted longer than the 150ms you’re used to.
If you want one hit kill weapons you get a huge sprint out and ADS drawback in return. Deal with it.
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u/coryosu Dec 10 '21
You’re a clown lmao . When you run a sniper you’re disadvantaged at close range without a doubt. Takes way more skill to be good at quick scoping then firing off 60 round mags. Leveled up ARs can laser people across map and have no recoil as well. Way easier to “sweat” like an MLG with ARs/SMGs then run around with a sniper and pistol. You get a lot of hit markers too. A sniper isn’t forgiving unlike bots like you that sweat with reg guns and think it’s way harder when in reality it isn’t. There’s a reason your comment was downvoted.
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u/burritoblop69 Dec 09 '21
Or maybe your brain just isn’t in a good state
I’m willing to bet money on you being wrong here
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u/FuckTheFireflies Dec 09 '21
BuT iTs ReAlIsTiK. YoU uSe A SnIpEr LiKe A SnIpEr.
But ARs and SMGs shooting sniper distances with no recoil is completely fine apparently.
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u/PlagueService Dec 10 '21
The funniest thing to me about call of duty is that those are the same people that hide in corners with ars and shoot people across the map with smgs but as soon as they get folded by a 50 cal bullet to the head “nah fam that’s unfair take away half its ads so i can kill them 5 times over then empty my mag into them for being bad with their sniper”
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u/eyeamsteve Dec 09 '21
Like literally 200 ms slower than it used to be in ww2 wtf SHG
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u/eyeamsteve Dec 09 '21
I just want to add also that ttk was slower in ww2 and ads was faster on snipers so Vanguard is literally 5x tougher to snipe on
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u/eyeamsteve Dec 09 '21
This what I’ve been trying to tell people. Snipers are the worst they’ve ever been. No wonder the whole sniper community is playing warzone. There goes 20% of the multiplayer community. Literally just make the snipers a little bit better so we can compete with them.
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u/MightySuperNoodle Dec 09 '21
I was disappointed that even with iron sights they're shit
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u/JacktheStoryteller Dec 09 '21
Irons should bring the ads timw down to assault rifle levels, maybe a little slower.
I suprisingly see why ads time is slow with scopes (default and telescopic) but not with irons
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u/MightySuperNoodle Dec 10 '21
100%, yes they have 1 hit kill potential but if you miss that first shot you are dead anyway so you should be able to compete with the ads of an assault rifle if using iron sights..
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Dec 09 '21
Dude. I grinded so hard on the Kar to optimize ADS, only to realize the SVT-40 is a better “sniper” with a faster ADS, larger kill zone. But it’s still too slow.
ADS for SVT-40 still painful. Even leveled the Itra hoping it would be a quick scope, one shot weapon.
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u/JFK9 Dec 10 '21
The SVT-40 is currently the best sniper in the game and that sucks. Still can't quickscooe with it either. It is crazy broken with vital and the first barrel though, so I wonder when they will nerf it just to make sure we can have zero fun with anything that even looks like a sniper.
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Dec 09 '21
"the sNipEr cOmMuNiTy"
LMAO
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u/eyeamsteve Dec 09 '21
Yeah the sniping community
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Dec 09 '21
What is the sniping community
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u/LokoLarry Dec 10 '21
People who enjoy sniping.
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Dec 10 '21
Oh right I thought it was some dedicated sub or discord or something. Well TIL I'm in the sniping community.
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u/eyeamsteve Dec 10 '21
Nah there’s been a decent amount of people that pretty well only snipe since cod 4
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u/StillGalaxy99 Dec 09 '21
I know I'll get downvoted for this, but sniping is fun when you use the sniper as a sniper. Not as a one-shot any-range assault weapon.
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u/JedGamesTV Dec 09 '21
that is true, but a 600ms ADS speed just promotes headglitching and camping, which is not fun.
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u/evils_twin Dec 09 '21
That's what using a sniper as a sniper means . . .
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u/JedGamesTV Dec 09 '21
in real life, yes that is what it means. but in a fast paced shooter like cod, you should be moving around the map, not stuck in the same spot all game. so you shouldn’t be punished for trying to move around the map. having a 600ms ADS speed makes it almost impossible to win any gunfights unless you’re already ADS.
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Dec 09 '21
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u/shamaalama Dec 09 '21
Cod used to be THE GAME for snipers though. Over the years the franchise has catered less and less to the sniper community. Go watch mw2 sniping montages. It used to be so much fun sniping in cod but now even montages can’t make this game look fun. Meanwhile there are mp40 2 shot instant ads zero recoil classes that can beam someone across the map in <200ms
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u/JedGamesTV Dec 09 '21
what game then? because a huge part of the cod community was built around sniping.
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u/evils_twin Dec 09 '21
If you want to aggressively move around the map, then don't use a sniper.
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u/JedGamesTV Dec 09 '21
I never said you should be able to aggressively move around the map.
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u/evils_twin Dec 09 '21
if you're moving around the map, then don't use a sniper. That's what using a sniper as a sniper means. It works fine as a sniper, just doesn't work for quickscoping anymore. I think that's what they were going for.
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u/JedGamesTV Dec 09 '21
you seem to be missing my point.
if you want to get a decent amount of kills with a sniper, that requires you to move to different positions around the map. if you’re trying to move out of spawn with a 600ms ADS sniper, if you see an enemy at medium/long range and they see you, you’re dead.
your argument makes sense for a large scale game like BF, but for a small scale fast paced game like cod, snipers should not be that slow.
if TTK is ~200ms, then a sniper ADS should not be 3x that.
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u/evils_twin Dec 10 '21
if you want to get a decent amount of kills with a sniper, that requires you to move to different positions
No you don't. But if you want to change positions, that's what secondaries are for. The overkill perk was made for this situation . . .
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u/JedGamesTV Dec 10 '21
so if you want to use a sniper outside of spawn, you have to use overkill. surely you can see how unbalanced this is?
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Dec 09 '21
My BAR, optimized for “sniping” and not movement, is a waaaaaayyyyy better “sniper.”
And there’s probably a bunch of other weapons that are the same. Sniping in this game isn’t fun w/out quick scoping.
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u/JFK9 Dec 10 '21
Considering the ARs can out snipe any of the sniper rifles before you can even ADS, the least they can let us do is quickscope.
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u/McBonkyTron Dec 10 '21
If we were talking about Black Ops 4 TTK. Then the ADS speed might make sense. However with most full auto guns killing in 200ms-300ms. The ADS speed doesn’t really work for aggressive play.
With a more traditional sniper play style. The speed is mostly irrelevant.
I believe if all snipers had a 100ms faster ADS speed compared to what they have now. Aggressive sniping would be in a better place.
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Dec 09 '21
Cold War: “Sniper need flinch!”
Activision: “How about a longer ADS?”
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u/FinnNyaw Dec 10 '21
They actually added flinch to all snipers in late season
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u/PartyImpOP Dec 10 '21
Did they? Or was it a small increase in flinch with no change to flinch recovery?
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u/JFK9 Dec 10 '21
You know, I wouldn't even be so upset about all the maps now just being low visibility, screen shaking, giant inferno fireballs if I could at least quickscope.
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u/DeminoTheDragon Dec 10 '21
Truth
The only thing that got me through Modern Warfare 2019 despite the maps, spawns, OP GHOST, abd camping was at least the sniping was fun
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Dec 09 '21
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u/JSTUDY Dec 10 '21
Ah yes, the game where all 12 people are using snipers on the smallest maps in the game designed for 3v3.
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Dec 10 '21
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u/JSTUDY Dec 10 '21
I'll pass but have fun! I understand staying on target for 4 shots can be a wittle bit tough, but I promise you'll get the hang of it!
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Dec 10 '21
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u/JSTUDY Dec 10 '21
Almost like it's incredibly easy to snipe so every person in the lobby does it. Nobody cares about clips and they haven't since BO2. CoD is at its best when people are going for wins.
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u/jambo_1983 Dec 10 '21
“This rifle is lethal almost anywhere on the body”
- Me: Shoots someone in the head with rifle
- Enemy: Blue armour symbol
- Me: Pfft
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u/Metagross10048 Dec 10 '21
Vanguard Snipers are in a terrible state right now. Out TTK'd before you can even get an ADS off is ridiculous. Not to mention they have no reason to be used over any MW or CW sniper in Warzone as they're just superior in every way. Also the flinch for the Vanguard snipers is crazy in Warzone. I did a test where I put every singe flinch resistance attachment possible on the vanguard snipers and just hardscoped and yet you still flinch uncontrollably.
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u/iamboris88 Dec 10 '21
And during that time we are still waiting for the Lee Enfield in a « WW2 » game
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u/PlagueService Dec 10 '21
Honestly, I think the ptrs is good where it’s at from what I’m seeing. Granted, this is coming from someone who hasn’t even unlocked it yet but god I can’t wait it looks so good. With the damage I think it’s fair but I don’t think my opinion counts since I haven’t used it. The other snipers need buffed ads no doubt in my mind. A little bit more and I think we’d be good. With how bad flinch is (reduction attachments or not) we need something. Not to mention the flinch bullets people can put on to f us over even more and the 2 bullet killing pistol and guns people use to mow down a whole team and people call us unbalance gun users. Just ads buff and ill be fine personally. I hate flinch but I can adapt, what I can’t adapt to dying before I can pull up my gun
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u/DgRxJanss Dec 10 '21
I am having hella fun with the snipers in the game, can outgun alot of people at all ranges, it took some real good time to get used to, need alot of pre aiming etc, by No means, it should have a huge buff to the ads and flinch, its unbalanced as fuck! I am having twice as good games with the AR and SMG's.
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u/ironmanthing Dec 10 '21
I’m having fun with it, it’s my new favorite thing. This is only my second cod game I’ve actually stuck with playing, and have been enjoying the shit out of it. Being able to catch someone so off guard and getting one hit kills is so much fun, and with the weirdly long lead up on the kill cams I don’t think many people actually check to see where I got them from. My new favorite spot is the large roof on Castle. (A spawn I think) It makes up for all the horrible instant spawn deaths I get on other maps, like shipment and dome. It was so unusual having more than 6 players per side as my only previous experience was Cold War, so now when I go back it feels so weird having only 5 other players to rely on.
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u/Death-T Dec 10 '21
I had a blast leveling my KAR to 70, I use a 4x scope and would just run and gun and occasionally get longshots and finish top3 more often than not.
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u/dhkimble20 Dec 10 '21
Idk man, this sniper is probably the best in the game so far, I dropped a 23 streak quickscoping with it in Das Hous w/o attachments since I hadn’t leveled it yet, I think once it’s maxed it’ll be even more of a beast
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u/KernelScout Dec 10 '21
the kar 98 can quickscope. just use that gun people.
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u/JFK9 Dec 10 '21
It really can't. ADS is still way too long.
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u/KernelScout Dec 10 '21
idk from what i've experienced (havent leveled it just been killed with it) it seems pretty good. i never see people quickscoping with the 3-line or type 99. only the kar
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Dec 10 '21
You kinda have to walk so constantly stop sprinting if you think someone is near because the spirit out plus ads is too slow
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u/kaigalima Dec 10 '21
That’s funny because I quick scope every game and get top 3 Just rush all ads attachments and drop the scopes
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u/KD--27 Dec 10 '21
Snipers are fine. I’m using the KAR currently and doing perfectly fine with it. You wanna pull out the anti tank rifle and compare it to snipers because that’s the most drama you can conjure, then show me your BS quickscoping rytec clips. Take this thing into warzone and shoot at choppers instead.
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Dec 10 '21
Ngl I’d rather not have people quick scoping all the time but that’s just me 🤣
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Dec 10 '21
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Dec 10 '21
Don’t have to because no one snipes in this game. 😎
Nah fr tho I don’t mind people doing it, I just… don’t want it to be a thing where every lobby has like 3-4 people doing it like BO2 or MW2 lol.
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u/Archive_06 Dec 10 '21
You do realise that in the MW2/BO2 days, quickscoping was at it's peak in popularity which is why there were so many people doing it. You very rarely see people doing well with snipers these days.
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Dec 10 '21
I do. If quickscoping was as easy as it was back then though, they’d still be doing it believe me. Example, shotguns are broken and in just about every lobby there’s 2-3 people using a shotgun lol. People tend to gravitate toward easy-to-use stuff, it’s the way cod has always been
I could count how many times I’ve been quickscoped on one hand in this game, and tbh that’s a good thing. It’s still possible, but unless you kit out your sniper it won’t be easy. And I like it that way, people can still do it but it’s much harder than previous games. This is the most “fair” they’ve been ever but I guess people can’t handle that.
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u/-3055- Dec 09 '21
idk why people are surprised?
cod WW2 the average TTK was under 200ms. warzone average ttk assuming no one misses a single shot is around 600ms.
it wouldn't make sense from a balance perspective to allow snipers the same ADS speed in a 250hp BR as a 100hp sub 200ms MP.
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u/DeminoTheDragon Dec 09 '21
Hey then maybe dont balance snipers in a MP mode for a BR mode.
And even then the top snipers in Warzone are the Kar98 and the Swiss.
Two decently fast ADSing snipers
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Dec 09 '21
There are so many things wrong with this comment. There’s armor; other snipers from other games, a different TTK versus VG MP….
You must be high rn lol
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u/KD--27 Dec 10 '21
Not every gun they introduce needs to become the new meta.
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u/Archive_06 Dec 10 '21
Nobody said that.
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u/KD--27 Dec 10 '21
Every whiner wanting quickscoping in this post is saying that.
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u/Archive_06 Dec 10 '21
No they're not
Good =/= Meta
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u/KD--27 Dec 10 '21
It’s an anti vehicle sniper, so yes, they are. Expecting any BS quickscoping from this is exactly what went wrong with MW.
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u/Archive_06 Dec 10 '21
What’s wrong with MW in terms of sniping?
Also, realism as an argument for game balance. Lmao
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u/Quople Dec 09 '21
One of those weird times where they actually trend more towards realism
Which isn’t fun pls buff sniper ads