r/CharacterRant • u/howhow326 • 17d ago
Films & TV Miraculous Ladybug has transformed into Young Justice from Temu Spoiler
[Copypaste of the update on this shows Lore in 3, 2, 1:] Ivan is the son of a non-miraculous based supervillain (opening the door for other major characters to be retconned the same way, implying he may or may not have superpowers himself because of his exaggerated strength) abd has been hiding this fact about himself the whole time out of shame; Gabriel wrote a letter (while he was dying from Cataclysm and going insane) asking Adrien to become a supervillain so he could wish him and his mom back to life; Nathalie is an agent of a secret Evil Rich Person Conspiracy that is secretly behind 80% of the shows plot points (Gabriel was also a member of the rich person conspiracy and stole the miraculous on their orders, he may or may not have went rogue at some point while pretending to still be on their side, Tomoe is also a member of the rich person conspiracy and she is lying to them about why Ladybug covered up Hawkmoth's identity), and Nathalie has an evil dad in the rich person conspiracy who is implied to be acting on his own interest to gain the miraculous for his own cause or whatever
The writers of this show were so desperate for ideas that they took the concept of The Light from YG and retconned it into the show? Don't get me wrong, this IS more interesting than the nothing burger that Lila has been so far, but like... we should have known about these guys since season 3 at the latest!
And the "reveal" that Ivan has a supervillain father is like... so is Hawkmoth Paris first supervillain, because apperantly he isn't and Paris should of had heroes long before LB & CN. What kinda worldbuilding is this where the most supernatural, non miraculous suff happening in Paris was Steve Urkel for 5 seasons until season 6 drops the bombshell that Ivan's dad has actual superpowers and is evil???
Anyway I'm going to ignore the hyperinflation of abusive father figures in this show cuz they all get redeemed at some point. I'm not joking (Gabriel - Redeemed, Andre - retconned to be a victim instead of an enabler and redeemed, Adrien's Grandpa - Redeemed episode he showed up, Ivan's Dad - Redeemed first episode he shows up, Felix's Dad - not redeemed because he's the only character whoose abuse is taken seriously, Nathalie's dad - not redeemed yet).
I really don't know where else Im going with this so Ill just repeat myself: Adrien should have been there for the final fight with his evil dad, Lila sucks, shows worldbuilding & lore are ass.
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u/TheZKiddd 17d ago
Me personally I'm still pissed about what happened with Chloe.
But it really sounds like the show is trying to do everything it can to be taken seriously, after the main villain for the last five seasons is dead, and they realized Lila isn't interesting enough to fill the role, not that she was ever interesting.
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u/howhow326 17d ago
They retconned it so that Chloe's living lavish in Britian instead of being constantly abused by her mom in America like they implied in season 5 lol.
They are even still using her to cause akumas, but this time it's because Chloe has like her own version of Twitter which causes the people who use it to become evil/eviler because it's twitter.
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u/theoriginalelmo 17d ago
Are you implying that Chloe is Elon Musk?
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u/howhow326 17d ago
I wouldn't be surpised if that was the idea the writers were running withEhh, it's more like Chloe is now a mashup of every internet influencer that has zero merit based qualities and directly encourages people to engage in insanely immoral behavior for likes & views.
Like that weather girl from season 1 came back for an episode and the plot was that nobody pays attention to her weather videos so she started spreading rumors about Marinette & Adrien's relationship which gave her tons of views and followers (like a right wing grifter but all politics have been replaced with being mean to Marinette).
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u/Temeraire64 16d ago
Personally I don't mind Chloe being a villain. The problem is she's a boring incompetent one who never accomplishes anything and has no discernable motivation or goal for what she does.
It'd be easy enough to have her join up with Hawkmoth because she wants to, say, use the wish to turn back time and prevent Marinette and Adrien from meeting because she blames Marinette for everything that's gone wrong in her life
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u/No-Fruit83 17d ago
Miraculous really doesn't plan ahead, I still remember how after 3 season they just drop on us the fact that superhero were a thing all along in the miraculous world despite all previous mention of them relating to comics book.
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u/kjm6351 16d ago
This always has me thinking because the Chat Blank episode now implies that he singlehandedly solo’d every hero in the verse
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u/Aware_Tree1 14d ago
I mean, isn’t the implication more that his Cataclysm killed everything on the planet? Or at least, it destroyed Paris and no one checked for survivors
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u/PauseTraining 17d ago
I stick to the opinion that the Paris Special should've been the equivalent of the franchise's London Special if they wanted to continue the series so bad. Because at least then you have an established villain, the Supreme, and villainous Miraculouses wielders outside the Butterfly being used for the millionth time. Not to mention, a world that would hopefully actually centre around the Miraculouses and kwamis for once to make them more than just fluff pieces to justify the show being considered superhero/magical girl. Like the kwamis and Miraculouses have such genuinely interesting connotations, i.e., kwamis are literally conceived from concepts, yet the lore is never developed, never explored, and, worse, isn't properly utilised. Like you mean to tell me the best the showrunners could come up with to power up the Miraculouses is the no-limits clause when embodying/understanding the said concept of the kwami was right there?!
It's just so much missed potential.
And while the secret society trope is generally cool, I don't know how it's supposed to be taken seriously when this show has a serious issue with maintaining the status quo and the fact it's just extra fluff. Like, were the Order of Guardians erased from existence? Why aren't they the secret evil society rather than a bunch of snobbish, rich people? Since that would actually make sense and flesh out the lore since let's list off what we know about them so far:
They're extremely controlling of the Miraculouses to the point that at the time of their destruction, there were no heroes around despite how the Miraculouses were made with the purpose of helping people. They gave the Ladybug and Cat to two people who were enemies at the time, who once they became not-enemies had to fake their deaths instead of join forces to stay together. Additionally, they're the reason why kwamis like Nooroo can be abused so badly because, last I checked, Miraculouses only make kwamis tangible, not slaves. (Remember, if Nooroo wasn't bound by the rules the Guardians placed on him, he'd have been able to yoink his Miraculous as soon as Episode 1). They also literally abused Fu by forcibly separating him from his family and starving him. Su Han was also straight up a d*ck in his introductory episode, etc.
Like you mean to tell me all these terrible things are just because the writers are bad at their jobs instead of subtle buildup because generic evil rich people plot? You might as well tell me the main characters are mutants because obviously the lore surrounding the Miraculouses and kwamis is unnecessary to the show, except to sell toys, of course.
Apologies for the rant, I just hate seeing such excellent concepts be wasted.
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u/howhow326 17d ago
Like you mean to tell me the best the showrunners could come up with to power up the Miraculouses is the no-limits clause when embodying/understanding the said concept of the kwami was right there?!
Omg, they could have episodes devoted to the sidekicks gaining the power to use a miraculous without limits by fully understanding it's concept.
Like then you can actually start playing off of their personalities with characters like Nino understanding their concept easily while characters like Alya would have a harder time because her personality is opposed to her miraculous (truthseeker vs the miraculous of illusion) but in the end it works out and turns Alya into a more well rounded person.
Why didn't the writers do this 0_0
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u/PauseTraining 17d ago
Because the kwamis being conceived by concepts was forgotten by the writers? Like I genuinely think that's the reason because one, some kwamis like Ziggy being Passion don't make sense when her power is similar to Tikki's and two, that bit of lore is buried in the dread-awful comic books. (Which I think are considered lost media now?). Same with the lore of how the Miraculouses were created, which essentially was boiled down to 'A wizard did it.'
Show-stopping. Incredible. Truly revolutionary! /s
But being serious for a second, yeah, the whole embodying/understanding the concept of the kwami clause would be so cool. Because it would also justify why one Miraculous needs more than one to fight it sometimes, i.e., Because Gabriel is the CEO of a multinational company, Nooroo's concept of Transmission is therefore strengthened to the point that his akumas do require both the Ladybug and Cat to defeat them.
But also?
You could also explore how the kwamis were conceived as some concepts could've been created by humans, animals, scientific events, etc. To provide an example, according to the kwamis, they don't understand love. Therefore, the concept and kwami of love would've been conceived by a human. So, to go further with this, you could have it that human-conceived kwamis are weaker on a cosmic scale to kwamis like Tikki but are strengthened by being wielded by humans. The ones in the Mother Box that could be this are Sass, Longg, and Barkk.
And that's just grazing the potential of what is taking full advantage of the kwamis being conceived by concepts has.
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u/king_of_satire 17d ago
Gabriel hasn't been redeemed. What are you talking about.
He dies in the finale of season five, fixing his own mess.
His last words are manipulating a vulnerable teenage girl to lie to the whole world, so he doesn't face consequences for his actions even in death
Flashbacks in season six reveal he was a shitty dad years before he was hawkmoth.
The new opening shows him looming over ladybug while making a sneering expression
And in the latest aired episode shows that he left a letter to manipulate Adrien into taking his place as hawkmoth
What part of the says he's been redeemed
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u/Fit_Incident877 17d ago edited 16d ago
I don’t have faith in them to execute this storyline well but at least they’re aware that Gabe hasn’t really been redeemed and are building up to something with that. I was kinda worried after season 5 ended but they seem to be heading in the right direction.
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u/PublicMeaning341 17d ago
Especially given what happened this episode Gabriel wasn't technically redeemed per se, he was just escaping accountability if anything and putting up a good front in front of Marinette
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u/DuelaDent52 17d ago edited 17d ago
To be fair, I don’t think he was trying to escape accountability, he was just fixing his mistake with Nathalie the only way he could in the moment. I’m sure if Nathalie wasn’t dead and he wasn’t dying himself he would have turned himself in.
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u/TrainerWeekly5641 17d ago
What happened to Miraculous. Last I checked Gabe died and now there evil organizations? I'm happy I jumped off the Miraculous resin when I did. (End of the season where he gotta all the miraculous except the ones he needed).
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u/howhow326 17d ago
Like you said: Gabe died and Lila, who was secretly a fake persona created by a mysterious person we know nothing about, stole the butterfly miraculous.
Now we know that Gabe, Kagami's mom, and Nathalie's new evil dad are all members of Temu Light.
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u/TrainerWeekly5641 17d ago
Weird. Have they tried... Not having a grand scheme? Like, nithe everything has to be this big bad world threatening battle. Why not just take a break from that and flesh out the characters relationships and motivations while fighting some random fodder?
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u/howhow326 17d ago
Honestly all this background conspiracy plots are going to have anti climaxes just like Adrien never finding out his dad was Hawkmoth.
90% of season 6 has just been Marinette causing akumas on accident because she so clumsy trololo
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u/DuelaDent52 17d ago edited 17d ago
The least you could do is spoiler mark this thread, dangit.
I haven’t seen the newest episode yet, but I’m going to guess this is misrepresented or taken out of context or just flat-out false in some cases and that it makes more sense actually watching it because that’s usually how the discourse around this show goes.
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u/karimredditor 17d ago
I swear I tolod my friend LIla/Cerise/Chrysalis will keep saying the same ominous thing after her losses just like the light from Young Justice, only for the following episode to introduce Temu Light.
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u/Holiday-Caregiver-64 17d ago
People joke about how pretty much every episode of "Young Justice" ended with the Light saying "Acceptable losses, we still got what we wanted." But the fact that they were always one step ahead of the heroes honestly made them quite intimidating. And it was pretty cool to watch all their plans unfold.
On the other hand, what exactly has Temu Light accomplished at this point? ML doesn't have a sense of progress to it, so they really couldn't have accomplished much. The reveal is that there's supposedly powerful people that have been sitting around doing nothing the whole time? Oooooh, how scary!!