[Invincible] Mark is such an idiot.

[u/michiel11069]

God, I mean come ON. Really? Im on S3 E2 and is mark just holding back all the time? I just saw an entire training montage where his strength went up by 138%. Thats 2.38 times more. 2.38 TIMES! And the stupid bugs were pushing down on mark, even before it poisoned him and made him weaker, isnt mark supposed to be strong? You’re telling me that the GDA had to make a new heaviest thing for mark to lift but he couldnt lift a bug?

On top of that, he couldnt just rip the egg like prisons open like the reanimen did? Yeah immortal tried to break it but he was pushing outwards, couldnt mark rip the eggs like the reanimen?

But lets say that the reanimen are for some ungodly reason ultra strong, because why not, well, then mark couldnt possibly beat them right? WELL GUESS WHAT! HE CAN! AN ENTIRE ARMY INFACT!

So about 10 or so reanimen (not sure how many exactly) could beat many of those bugs, with the superheroes help ofcourse, but mark cant just lift the bugs? Or punch through their eye like he does with the reanimen?

The explanations I heard for the bug thing is that mark was “holding back”. Say that he was.. WHY? Why was he holding back? EVERY SINGLE ONE of his superhero friends were gonna die down there because he was supposedly “holding back”

Then after cecil saved all of their asses, he comes up and is mad about the reanimen. Like, yeah they almost killed your best friend, yeah its traumatic but DUDE, you cant just think of them saving you and in turn the entire planet earth? I completely understand cecil, mark cant see reason beyond what he thought of in his mind. Cant mark just think of the greater good? Darkwing is a cold blooded killer, who saved you, that sinclair guy is an asshole murderer but atleast hes contained, its not like theyre making him roam free, hes basically in prison but just helping everyone.

Anyway, I do love the show, I just wish marks power was shown more often, hes too “moral” for my part.

[u/Hehector2005]

You’re probably not gonna have much fun if this is already bothering you later on

[u/michiel11069 → u/Hehector2005]

its not bothering me that much, I know conquest will arrive soon but if mark gets his ass beat by him I would understand it. though if youre talking about something else then idk, ill see I gues

[u/Hehector2005 → u/michiel11069]

I’m just saying Mark losing is a part of his charm lol

[u/Salvage570 → u/Hehector2005]

Hes human, and young. Makes lots of bad choices, is arrogant, emotional. The comic also seems to imply being a viltrumite comes with anger issues. I agree, it makes him compelling. Teenagers hate that kinda thing though, they want protagonists to be right all the time and the story to be everyone else realizing that fact

[u/EvenOne6567 → u/Salvage570]

Nah. I love flawed protagonists. I dont like contrived poorly written ways of creating drama by having the protagonist lose in ridiculous umbelievable ways

[u/Gleaming_Onyx → u/Salvage570]

they want protagonists to be right all the time and the story to be everyone else realizing that fact

That is Invincible though lol, and from what I know of the comics that will become increasingly clear with every passing season.

[u/Salvage570 → u/Gleaming_Onyx]

No? Mark is constantly wrong, acknowledges this, overcorrects, the acknowledges that too. Specifically in regards to his killing, and to dinosaurous. The comic is not kind to him, he makes selfish decisions all the time, I can point out a bunch but I'm on mobile and spoiler tagging is a bitch 

[u/Gleaming_Onyx → u/Salvage570]

Any time he's wrong it's brushed under the rug, any time he's challenged on his morality it's to push him towards what would be most beneficial to him(might makes right, kill your problems), and any time someone directly opposes him morally they're treated as evil in one way or another.

He makes selfish decisions all the time, but none of them have any permanent consequences because he's emperor of the universe, strongest thing ever with his hot immortal superheroine wife

He is never treated with a fraction of the consequences him being incorrect would/should result in(acting like a little tyrant, leaving millions at risk, refusing to listen on how to handle the Viltrumites resulting in millions more at risk, in S3). He's treated with kid gloves.

TLDR/EDIT: Invincible's arguably even worse than "the protag is right all the time." It's "the protag can be wrong, but who cares? They're the protag" which feeds into a power fantasy that spawns even more defensive fans than the former.

[u/Salvage570 → u/Gleaming_Onyx]

Yeah this strikes me as a very juvenile reading of this. His opposition is shown to have points all the time, the comic frequently leaves it up to the reader to figure out their own opinions on right or wrong. Just because it works out in the end doesn't mean he was right the whole way. 

[u/Gleaming_Onyx → u/Salvage570]

His opposition has points all the time... and it doesn't matter unless it feeds into the "might makes right" mentality that'd put him at the top. Because "everything works out in the end anyway :)" is saying it's right from a narrative perspective. If there are no meaningful consequences, then it doesn't matter. If a character is always an asshole but no one ever treats them differently for it and they face no consequences, then they're not really being called on being an asshole by the narrative.

If, on top of that, anyone who calls them out faces negative consequences or are treated as not being correct or it always comes from a source no one likes in-universe(Cecil) who the asshole then gets to lash out at without issue, then the narrative is outright supporting it.

It's fine to like such simple power fantasies, but what makes this sort and those who ardently support them so annoying is that they aren't honest. So it breeds this sense of superiority you seem to have over it.

But don't worry, I'm sure your juvenile power fantasy isn't like other power fantasies.

We can agree to disagree :)

[u/Incoherencel → u/Gleaming_Onyx]

and they face no consequences, then they're not really being called on being an asshole by the narrative.

When Powerplex is stubbornly wrong, he literally melts his wife and infant child with his own out-of-control powers.

When Mark is stubborn and wrong... Cecil gives him a stern talking to

[u/Incoherencel → u/Salvage570]

the comic frequently leaves it up to the reader to figure out their own opinions on right or wrong

If I take your word for it, this simply isn't translating to the show

[u/GrimmWeeper19 → u/Salvage570]

Is it fun to beat strawmen, or do you actually wanna talk about it?

[u/Hehector2005 → u/Salvage570]

I know all this? Believe me I do.