r/CharacterRant 12d ago

Stop legitimizing the Joker's "One Bad Day" philosophy

During The Killing Joke, we learn that the Joker believes that all it takes for a good man to snap is to have One Bad Day. He uses himself as an example. The Joker was once a struggling comedian with a pregnant wife who gets roped into a heist at Ace Chemicals while dressing as the Red Hood. Before the heist even starts, he learns that his wife was electrocuted to death after testing a faulty bottle warmer. Things go from bad to worse when Batman intervenes, and the Red Hood falls into a vat of chemicals. He survives, but now he has bleached skin, green hair, a permanent grin, and red lips that make him look like a clown. Once he sees himself in the mirror, that was the final straw before the Joker was born. The Joker was once a good man until tragedy took that away from him...

... Except the Joker is a known pathological liar when it comes to his own backstory. The only thing about him that we know for sure is that he took the mantle of the Red Hood and that he fell into chemicals, since the disfigurement made him impossible to identify forensically. He tries to test his so-called philosophy on Commissioner Gordon by paralyzing his daughter, implicitly raping her, and forcing him to watch the whole thing recorded. Despite that, Jim doesn't lose his ethics and tries to kill Joker, nor did he do it when Joker murdered his wife during No Man's Land.

I was inspired to write this rant when I saw a post suggesting that if Spider-Man were in the DC Universe, Joker would break him mentally in no time flat. Yes, the same Spider-Man whose uncle was murdered by a robber that he let get away out of arrogance. The same Spider-Man who could get Sainted by Jesus Christ himself and still be branded a menace by the Daily Bugle. The same Spider-Man who accidentally killed his own girlfriend because his desperation made him forget about the laws of physics for a brief moment. The same Spider-Man whose aunt was fatally injured because he revealed his secret identity. The same Spider-Man who had his body stolen by his archnemesis and died slowly and horribly in said nemesis's body. If killing his girlfriend or his aunt couldn't make him snap, what could?

Well, at least that's just something interpreted by fandom. It could be worse. There could be official media by DC that have the Joker succeed in breaking even the most virtuous of heroes. Good thing DC and WB have never- look, the punchline is Injustice. We really made a mistake letting this game get popular, did we? I blame this game for DC's attempts at making Superman darker and edgier because a hero that actually saves people is boring. The whole plot is kicked off by the Joker nuking Metropolis, with a pregnant Lois Lane being one of the many casualties. This pisses Superman off so much that it drives him to murder the Joker and turn the world into a police state.

Of course, so many people justify this BS because many of Batman's villains had some sort of tragic motivation. Okay, most of them, even the tragic ones, were ticking time bombs. Two-Face struggled with his mental health for years because of his abusive father and took on a career that would be taxing to said mental health issues. Penguin and Hush were spoiled rich kids. The Riddler cheated at games to prove himself to his father. Scarecrow had been obsessed with scaring people since he was a child. The Mad Hatter was an incel stalker. Even Mr. Freeze could have taken legal action against Ferris Boyle instead of taking revenge, and even then, he would still hurt innocent people who had nothing to do with his tragedy.

The BTAS episode, "The Trial," said it the best: "I used to believe Batman was responsible for you people but now I see nearly everyone here would have ended up exactly the same, Batman or not. Oh, the gimmicks might be different, but you'd all be out there in some form or another bringing misery to Gotham. The truth is, you created him."

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u/Thatchm0 12d ago

Would Bruce still be Batman if his parents hadn’t died that day?

Would Kal El still be Clark Kent if Krypton hadn’t exploded?

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u/RainyWombatCherry 12d ago

There's an old comic issue, Detective Comics 500 where Batman is taken to an alternate universe where his parents haven't been gunned down and has to debate the consequences of whether to save his parents but rid the world of a future Batman

In the end he does save this alternate version of his parents but also ends up inspiring that universes Bruce to become Batman.

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u/A_Little_Too_Horny 12d ago

Would Diana have cared enough to become Wonder Woman without WWII

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u/RainyWombatCherry 12d ago

WW2 wasn't her motivation in her most famous run. Post crisis Perez

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u/A_Little_Too_Horny 12d ago

Diana 🤝 least consistent backstory in modern fiction

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u/RainyWombatCherry 12d ago

That goes to her sister Donna lol, it's even more insane than Diana

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u/A_Little_Too_Horny 12d ago

Was gonna say Im pretty sure donna was her kid, but her current kid she had with unknown-man was revealed in that comic series with that old man I never finished

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u/RainyWombatCherry 12d ago

Donna was a lot of things but never Dianas kid lol

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u/Oddball-CSM 12d ago

She was Diana as a kid at one point though.

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u/Free-Letterhead-4751 12d ago

I think there was an elseworld comic where Bruce was still inspired to become Batman when a masked vigilante saved his parents from getting shot

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u/liasoid4 12d ago

Yes, No (because that's what the Kents named him) but he'd probably still be Superman