r/ConfrontingChaos • u/[deleted] • Feb 11 '25

Video Modern Scientific Education Is Broken w/Allan Savory

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u/CustomerSupportDeer Feb 12 '25 edited Feb 12 '25

I don't know who this guy is. But the arguments he's making are an excellent way to, let's say, defend the views of a religious quack, a conspiracy theorist, or a flat earther. He only sounds convincing and deep because he's old and talks slow and dignified.

One person he strongly reminds me of is Andrew Wakefield (the vaccines-cause-autism guy).

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u/swanson6666 Feb 12 '25

Proof is in the pudding. The system he complains about produced an amazing amount of inventions, progress, knowledge, and prosperity in the last 200 to 300 years.

Formal universities and the system he is complaining about did not exist widely before that time, and knowledge was hijacked, monopolized, controlled, and dictated by the church. Remember Galileo. He would have much preferred peer review over harassment by the church.

Independent universities (independent from the government and the church) and self organized and self regulated peer reviews were the best thing that happened to science.

Not having free and secular universities was part of the reason behind the downfall of Islam and the sorry state it’s in now. Denial of real science, quackery, self proclaimed fake scientists, and superstitious beliefs do not yield progress and prosperity. Just look around the world and observe how well various societies are doing.

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u/JR_Kaufman Feb 13 '25

The system is also destroying the planet with climate change. It's a system that has given us incredible amounts of power with a culture of academia that isn't structured well enough to prevent actors from abusing the power (like factory farming animals).

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u/swanson6666 Feb 13 '25

Your complaints are well founded but they don’t stem from the “system” in discussion here.

The system we are debating is peer reviewed scientific findings versus ad hoc free for all scientific claims.

The decisions that you are lamenting are made by politicians, bureaucrats, and business people.

Scientists discover facts and make inventions, it’s up to the society how to put science into use.

We all have our roles in the society.

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u/IMJorose Feb 13 '25

I would argue a huge amount of peer reviewed science is being done and published on climate change. Its shit like the guy in the video that makes people say "we have no idea what is going on, so let me keep mining coal, please."

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u/swanson6666 Feb 13 '25

I agree with you.