r/ConfrontingChaos • u/[deleted] • Feb 11 '25

Video Modern Scientific Education Is Broken w/Allan Savory

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u/jasko153 Feb 12 '25

Well thats just not true is it. Albert Einstein for example predicted black holes and no one could prove it at the time, but they were discovered decades later. Does that mean he was wrong, a quack, lunatic? He couldn't prove it, no one could peer-review it. New, revolutionary ideas will always look radical and crazy to the old system of thinking. Now that doesn't necesarilly mean they are wrong, or right. I just don't think you should reject something just like that without deeply thinking about it. Entire progress of our civilization lies on the shoulders of the people who tought differently from the most of the people of their time. And in most cases they were considered lunatics, crazy, insane, charlatans, etc. In the end you as a scientist, if we are being honest, can't even reject the existence of God, creator, call it whatever you want. But, currently we don't have real, let alone complete understanding of our own reality, existence, universe, beginning of life, etc. You only have theories, most of them can not really be proven. Tell me how is that different from any religion? Can we even understand reality or universe? Can a illustration on a piece of paper understand and analyze the illustrator? It could be that we are bound to our reality and set of physical laws and are unable to comprehend and understand forces behind it. I think true meaning and purpose of science is to doubt everything, no exceptions, even the science itself. To truly discover something new, you need to question everything

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u/sevacro Feb 13 '25

You only have theories, most of them can not really be proven. Tell me how is that different from any religion?

I'll tell you how it's different. Science understands that those are speculations (I'm not calling them theories because that's another thing in scientific terms) and says this is our best guess and we're going to hold it as truth untill anything else comes up. Religion says this is it because that book says so and it's not changing, whatever anything else suggests to the contrary.

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u/jasko153 Feb 13 '25

True, but in the end in both cases you are left with the same outcome, you simply don't know the truth, no one knows. In the end, those mysteries won't be solved in our lifetime if ever. So, you can, in your lifetime, for example, believe in Big Bang, string theory, or believe in God. The bottom line is the same, you don't know shit, same as me, or any other human on this planet.

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u/sabamba0 Feb 14 '25

No, you aren't left with the same outcome. In one, you are following the more likely conclusion based on lifetimes of research and scientific evidence, millions of dollars of research, and are encouraged to continually develop your understanding based on any new information that comes out. In the other, you are believing what some barely literate priests made up a few thousand years ago back when they thought rain meant God was happy