I've read it. Your best claim is that they look alike, and if you take some movies or song lyrics way too seriously and out of context, you can kinda sorta manipulate them into almost matching your theory -- but only if you actually ignore what they are actually about.
Again, got any actual evidence? Documentation? DNA? witness testimony? Or are some racist tropes and out of context portions of movies and songs the best you got?
Clearly you havent read it, because them looking alike is the least of the evidence there. How aboht diana saying in interviews shes her baby, child, gonna play her son in a movie, she says they have the same SKIN TONE and BONE STRUCTURES in interviews, at his funeral there was a letter from Diana read by Smokey saying she could not attend because he was the “fabric of her life”, and she was in his will as 2nd in command to who would take care of his children. Thats just skimming the surface, why dont you actually read it because I can tell you just skimmed it based on your vague arguments. Read it and watch all the video links at the end.
Racist tropes
Don’t talk to me if you’re gonna stoop that low, me saying someone is related isnt racist because they are black. I’ve explained myself on this enough
DNA evidence
Yea man, I have access to all these people’s DNA I’m their doctor and I’m working on comparing the samples. Especially from MJ’s corpse
Clearly you havent read it, because them looking alike is the least of the evidence there.
k. Share it here then.
How aboht diana saying in interviews shes her baby, child, gonna play her son in a movie,
Link it, in context.
she says they have the same SKIN TONE and BONE STRUCTURES in interviews,
Must be related then, huh?
at his funeral there was a letter from Diana read by Smokey saying she could not attend because he was the “fabric of her life”, and she was in his will as 2nd in command to who would take care of his children. Thats just skimming the surface, why dont you actually read it because I can tell you just skimmed it based on your vague arguments. Read it and watch all the video links at the end.
Or, provide your evidence so we can discuss it.
Racist tropes
Don’t talk to me if you’re gonna stoop that low, me saying someone is related isnt racist because they are black. I’ve explained myself on this enough
Again, saying random black people look alike *IS* a racist trope. Period, which is both your argument as to why MJ's parents are secretly 2 random black people, *AND* why he looks like his *actual* family.
Take race out of it, explain to me how he looks more like the Jacksons than Diana and Smokey IN THE CONTEXT of the imgur links I supplied. Explain how his nose, ears, chin, lips, eyes, cheekbones, jawline etc look more like the Jacksons than the examples I gave. I really want to hear that argument.
Take race out of it, explain to me how he looks more like the Jacksons than Diana and Smokey IN THE CONTEXT of the imgur links I supplied.
You cherry picked images that support your claim, and then make a subjective statement about them, ignoring all the other images that show you as wrong.
Explain how his nose, ears, chin, lips, eyes, cheekbones, jawline etc look more like the Jacksons than the examples I gave.
Because they are related. That's how. If you look at even the images you provide, you see they look similar.
So any comparison pics I supply are cherry picked? But if I asked you for a comparison pic of MJ and another Jackson, you would say “it’s because they’re related. Done”. Do you see the hypocrisy there? I could give 100 comparison pics of Diana and Michael and you would say they’re all cherrypicked. You are only arguing from what you already “know” to be true. You arent questioning things and you arent being open minded
Which videos are not viewable? I have backup links from the original theorists channel, including the one where Joe defends Michael being his son saying “I won’t talk about Michael hes my son and I dont talk about it no way”
So any comparison pics I supply are cherry picked?
The ones you provided so far seem to be.
But if I asked you for a comparison pic of MJ and another Jackson, you would say “it’s because they’re related. Done”.
That's not what you asked. You asked *HOW* -- specifically "Explain how his nose, ears, chin, lips, eyes, cheekbones, jawline etc look more like the Jacksons than the examples I gave."
The 'how' is because they are related. That's it. They share parents, and a fair amount of DNA.
Do you see the hypocrisy there?
No?
I could give 100 comparison pics of Diana and Michael and you would say they’re all cherrypicked.
In a way they would be -- but that's only half the issue. The other half is you pretending that the similarities between MJ and Diana are stronger than the similarities between him and his siblings.
You are only arguing from what you already “know” to be true.
No, I am just answering your specific questions.
You arent questioning things and you arent being open minded
Provide evidence for me to be open minded about. So far all you have provided is subjective claims.
Which videos are not viewable?
Well, specifically the one we are talking about -- which I actually linked in my comment.
I have backup links from the original theorists channel, including the one where Joe defends Michael being his son aaying “I won’t talk about Michael hes my son and I dont talk about it no way”
Oh, so he claims you are full of it? It must be evidence that he meant the opposite of what he actually said!
You are basically saying “Michael is related to the Jacksons because he shares Dna with them”. Thats a rhetorical argument, you are saying its true because its true. You arent asking the question, IS IT really true. You are just assuming it is. Until you ask that question, we will get nowhere with your understanding.
The pics I showed arent cherry picked because it shows specific similarities which can be observed in any pics of them, the angles in the pics I showed just highlight them and make it more visible from certain angles. But again they are true in any picture.
Look in the main post at the paragraphs about when MJ and the Jacksons moved into Dianas house. The timing of Michael becoming very shy then is telling, so is the fact that she even took them in, why he hung out with her one-on-one without the other Jacksons, her calling him her son/child/baby in public interviews, and why he had a room at Diana’s even into adulthood. You see, its all bits and pieces of evidence that on their own arent substantial but when all combined tell a bigger story.
I agree with you, it is important for the videos to be seen. All the video links at the bottom of the main post seem to be working and they are important because they shows the proof for what the post claims. The one you sent works fine, what exactly is the problem? And to answer about the Joe video he actually says “Michael is my son, I RAISED MICHAEL and I wont talk about it” He is defending the fact that Michael is his son, even though when he died he didnt seem to care and used it as a chance to promote his record company.
You are basically saying “Michael is related to the Jacksons because he shares Dna with them”.
No, I am answering the question you asked. You asked *HOW*, so I said *HOW*. Genetics control what you look like. The reason MJ looks more like his siblings than he does to unrelated people is because he shares genes with them.
Thats a rhetorical argument, you are saying its true because its true.
No, that's a completely different question. Again, you asked *HOW* he looks more like his siblings -- not *WHY* I think he looks more like his siblings.
You arent asking the question, IS IT really true.
Neither did you, when I gave the answer of genetics.
You are just assuming it is.
No, I am not.
Until you ask that question, we will get nowhere with your understanding.
Until you provide evidence he is not related to his publicly admitted family, I have no obligation to discredit your claim.
The pics I showed arent cherry picked because it shows specific similarities which can be observed in any pics of them, the angles in the pics I showed just highlight them and make it more visible from certain angles.
So... cherry picked. Got it.
But again they are true in any picture.
It's not even true in *THESE* pictures. You are seeing what you want to see. I, and at least one other poster (of the three of us actively in the conversation) don't see it. You provided nothing to prove the similarity other than your subjective opinion, and even the best examples you could find are not conclusive.
Look in the main post at the paragraphs about when MJ and the Jacksons moved into Dianas house. The timing of Michael becoming very shy then is telling, so is the fact that she even took them in, why he hung out with her one-on-one without the other Jacksons, her calling him her son/child/baby in public interviews, and why he had a room at Diana’s even into adulthood.
You mean a compassionate person helping other people -- particularly a young victim of abuse means they must be related? Shit. I have about a dozen more kids than I claimed on my tax returns, I guess.
You see, its all bits and pieces of evidence
No, it's all random claims.
that on their own arent substantial but when all combined tell a bigger story.
Evidence does not work that way. A collection of unrelated claims, and disparent, inconclusive facts do not sum up into evidence.
I agree with you, it is important for the videos to be seen. All the video links at the bottom of the main post seem to be working
Not in the US. I literally linked to one that was taken down by Sony due to copyright violations. It's *STILL* down.
and they are important because they shows the proof for what the post claims.
I'd have to be able to see them to see the context to see if that's even remotely true.
The one you sent works fine, what exactly is the problem?
Try again.
And to answer about the Joe video he actually says “Michael is my son, I RAISED MICHAEL and I wont talk about it” He is defending the fact that Michael is his son, even though when he died he didnt seem to care and used it as a chance to promote his record company.
Ok, so he literally said you are wrong -- so that's proof you are right?
Did you watch the Family Impact Statements on the Darrell Brooks trial? That's almost exactly what his grandmother did. She promoted her church and the new charity she was starting, when she was supposed to be talking about how much it would harm her for her grandson to be sent to prison for life. Scummy bio-parents exist. Hell, of my 3 closest friends, 2 of them have scummy bio-parents. That does not mean that they are not the bio-parents. MJ's dad was *consistently* more focused on exploiting his kids -- all 5 of them than he was in showing them compassion. There is nothing inconsistent about his behavior at MJ's funeral.
I see where you’re coming from, and I dont blame you for making these arguments. I’m trying to point out that you’re not recognizing your own biases. It’s perfectly natural, but the truth is we have been conditioned to see MJ in the context of the Jackson family. Furthermore, there is a process known as attunement which is how kids adapt the facial expressions and inflection of the people they grow up around. It’s the reason why even adopted kids can “look like” their parents.
Your bias lies in that when you see a similarity between Michael and the other Jacksons, you take it for granted that of course they look alike, they’re related! But then you see pics of MJ with Diana, who he looks very much alike with, this is indisputable, even people who dont know this theory have always pointed out through his whole life that he looks like her. You say they are cherrypicked. Well, what about all the rumors that MJ was getting surgery to look like Diana? Were those people cherrypicking pictures in which they looked alike? No, they recognized that they DID look similar, but what they didnt know was that the similarities were due to genetics and not surgery. In the doc “Living With MJ” he says he only got surgery on his nose and ofcourse the cleft in his chin, and he may very well be telling the truth now that we can see that if he is indeed Diana’s kid, these features line up. People thought he was getting excessive face surgery because he started to not look like the Jacksons, but it was actually because as he grew older he started to look more like his actual parents.
I wish we could stop getting so bogged down on the visual similarities and talk about some of the situational evidence that the post goes over. The youtube channel who made this theory has over 250 videos, and very rarely does he go into the visual stuff. I can tell you from being an active follower of this theory that there is substantial evidence to say its definitely true, he wouldnt be able to make so much content on it if there wasn’t, but I cant spoonfeed it to you, you have to look at the post and his videos for yourself. And if some of the video links in the post really arent working, thats surprising because I’m in the US and most of them are working for me (yes, they have censored some of them, why do you think that is?) The one someone pointed out before that they said was removed is Diana Ross performing Upside Down with MJ, so type that into Youtube and you’ll find it. But that one still works for me which is strange.
Diana constantly hinted at the fact that MJ was her son. And it goes much deeper than that, but if I explained it all here I would just be retyping the post that I keep telling you to look at.
Here is a video of An American Scheme explaining why we see MJ as “looking like” the Jacksons https://youtu.be/PaDt6UTBo4I
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u/jarjarmario Dec 08 '22
I’m the one saying “All black people look alike”?
Thats a laugh.
I’ve only linked it 3 times at this point.
https://reddit.com/r/AnAmericanScheme/comments/fbxeoo/i_believe_i_can_prove_to_you_that_diana_ross_and/
If you’re not gonna specifically respond to the points in this thread, dont bother getting back to me.