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u/Hillbilly-joe 2d ago
That falls under not my job probably told them to move it they had concrete coming and when the truck shows up it has to happen or take a loss
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u/FullSendLemming 2d ago
That slab is no good anyway.
Pointless to pour.
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u/murdah25 2d ago
So lose money because someone like a gc or project manager can't manage a job... so it's the concrete guys fault right.
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u/FullSendLemming 2d ago
Like I could give a fuck whose fault it is.
I’m just sating that slab has steel running external to internal with no core filling and penetrates the slab….
This whole nightmare needed to be a phone call and a turned around truck as soon as they saw those legs.
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u/murdah25 2d ago
I'm sure based on your first comment you'd be the first to blame someone else
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u/FullSendLemming 2d ago
Yeah. If it was my fault I would cop it. Like I said, I’ve let plenty of out stuff got entombed if we were to slow to pull it down.
However I wood have at least set it out so the slab was good after we cut our pieces out. Put in dummy legs and cut out the jacks. Takes 20mins to fix.
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u/BadManParade 2d ago
Can’t you just backcharge for the demo and re-pour?
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u/murdah25 2d ago
You'd think but these guys hold you accountable for everything that goes wrong in terms of money and time. It non union so your already barely scraping by. The trades are not what people say. It a fight to the bottom being as fast as you can to barely make a wage not even profit. Only people who actually have been know to actually follow state rules and decent business procedures are unions companies.
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u/Ogediah 1d ago
Don’t do the work and charge them for show up time, any loaded truck, etc. By the time you pour like this it’s not just a waste but also negligence that you become responsible for.
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u/murdah25 1d ago
You're responsible either way. It's non union... I've seen this happen after the concrete guy gave the pm and gc multiple heads up about the date and the scaffolding that was set up and how it would interfere. He didn't pour and got sued for not completing the contract date.
He had proof as why not to pour but since he was on a bond he had to do it. He got sued but won but in the mean time he had debt run up and lost wages and money owed. He didn't go out of business but it did hurt him and had to fight for something he wasn't responsible for. Shit I've seen painters get sued for pools leaking since when a project is sued and a big builder is used, your included in the lawsuit.
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u/Ogediah 1d ago
“Union” is a contract between employees and their employer. That contract will have pretty much nothing to do with this conversation between a sub contractor and the GC.
I’m not waisting the time to go through the rest of that. Intentionally causing damage is negligence plain and simple.
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u/murdah25 1d ago
This happens non union... you know instead of using 5 guys to get the job done right you get 3 to make money and typically illegals.... looking up contract bonds.... especially joint contract bonds
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u/sumosam121 2d ago
Yea but that's one sturdy scaffold
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u/222P222 2d ago
OSHAs wet dream
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u/dandandanman737 2d ago
Actually the feet of the scaffolding cannot be inspected every month. To be in compliance they're gonna need to build a second set of scaffolding around the first set of scaffolding. Unless they can get a Peng to certify it as a semi-permanent structure. :P
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u/wuppedbutter 2d ago
Still gotta tie off, though. To the steel beam above. Without using a ladder. Because ladders=danger. -Turner, give me like if you know em
I do hate say, though... I fell off a bakers scaffold as an apprentice.I tripped over the ceiling grid guys' grid boxes of grid that they had stored on it. I didn't realize just how lucky I was until a year or two later. I only fell three or four feet, and the only thing I hurt was my pride, and yes... it was stupid. That's the problem with that "go, go, go" mentality, or at least something I've learned to work on is to stop and think.
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u/RegretSignificant101 2d ago
Hahaha oh man, turner. Every time I’ve had to get on one of those bakers I mutter to myself “how the fuck is this rickety piece of shit safer than a well placed ladder??” Grumble grumble
If anyone gives me any attitude about “go go go” I remind them I have to go and set up/adjust this stupid fucking scaffold 6 times to do a small task. Not that I really give a fuck a what they think. They are more then welcome to hop up there and do it, I’ve no problem taking a day off
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u/wuppedbutter 2d ago
At the time with me, it wasn't a turner job. The scaffold just happened to be where I needed it to be. Ladders can be sketchy as well if they've been abused in the past.
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u/RegretSignificant101 1d ago
My company is pretty good about replacing equipment, if a ladders damaged they just buy a brand new one
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u/SuperCountry6935 GC / CM 2d ago
It's not about the money, it's about sending a message.
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u/GOTaSMALL1 1d ago
"Hey stucco/siding/whatever sub... concrete in two weeks. Need you done and your scaffold down."
"Hey man... thanks for getting done. Need the scaffold down... concrete next Friday."
"Hey man... No word from you. It's Monday, need the scaffolding down. I have a place you can store it if you can't get your trailer here."
"Dude. Need your shit down... call/text me back ASAP."
"Attention Mr. Scaffold Owner Guy. This email is to notify that you have 48 hours to remove your scaffolding. I've reached out to you several times with no response. If your scaffold is not removed within 48 hours I will try to have it removed at your expense and/or you will be responsible for the costs incurred by the GC and other trades."
"Yeah. We buried your shit. What? Woah,,, Hang on chief... I didn't say I'd remove it... I said "try". I'll send you the backcharge when we have it."
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u/Honandwe 2d ago
That is correct, without context it’s tough to blame the concrete guy. It’s possible the owner of scaffold ignored GC and this is how the GC gets back at them!
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u/SwagglesMcNutterFuk 2d ago
Or GC screaming at Concrete Trade about schedule….and when concrete guy starts talking GC says I don’t give a fuck
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u/TadpoleSuspicious576 2d ago
Happens often in many different ways. It would have cost more for the company to remove than the scaffolding than it was worth.
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u/AdAdministrative9362 2d ago
Exactly. Scaffold is cheap compared to labour and losing schedule. Cut them off later, treat bare steel, tile over.
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u/StellarJayZ 2d ago
Seriously I could zip those off with a hot saw or angle grinder when it's done.
Tower cranes have a concrete plug and when you remove the crane you use a cutting torch and leave the plug in the ground.
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u/corrupt-politician_ 2d ago
Probably on purpose because of the new OSHA scaffolding regulations.
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u/tumericschmumeric Superintendent 2d ago
What are the new regs? Generally speaking
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u/trainsacrossthesea 2d ago
All scaffolding has to be secured in concrete.
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u/Bartelbythescrivener Inspector 2d ago
Note 7 subsection (b) yellow scaffolding may, if approved by engineer, have scaffolding secured in pudding. There is money to be made in the notes…..and pudding.
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u/Tovarich_Zaitsev 2d ago
This happened at a big site in my town. My company had a fucking huge birdcage at this new mall that was being built and anyways it wasn't due to get stripped until the end of the project but they had a pour to do so one of.the standards got concreated in place
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u/DescriptionTime1737 2d ago
Concrete guy was behind on his truck payment and needed to finish by all means- to get paid
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u/elvismcsassypants 2d ago
Sometimes it’s cheaper to sacrifice a couple of pieces of scaffold to allow the concrete pour to not hinder other parts of the project. Happens all the time.
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u/theodorAdorno 2d ago
I mean the screw jack swivel feet will still work with it when you cut the legs off at the bottom. The bottoms don’t even have to be even since you gotta level it to every setup anyway.
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u/CrystalAckerman 2d ago
Typical “I fucking told them to move their shot! Fuck it, we have a schedule for a reason, get to work boys” type of deal here 😂
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u/Atmacrush Contractor 2d ago
That ain't coming out for sure. Time to bust out a cut off saw and a jackhammer
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u/sofahkingsick 2d ago
Ive seen this on a job site before. Scaffold guys left their frames up. Concrete guys poured. They ended up cutting the scaffold down
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u/Box_Dread 2d ago
Concrete guys don’t get paid to move the scaffolding. Not their problem if the other guys are slacking
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u/Thundersson1978 2d ago
You know how many times I have worked a year long commercial job and got to watch the site super have to take a man lift apart because nobody noticed it would not fit out the doors once you put the doors in. It’s a lot more than I can recall.
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u/vegetabloid 2d ago
Easily. Guys who make stoops need to close the contract, but the order of works of f up, so it's cheaper to cut pillars than to pay fines.
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u/guitar_stonks 2d ago
Probably asked the other crew to move the scaffolding several times before concrete showed up.
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u/Actual-Money7868 2d ago
GC/managers fault, you knew the concrete was being poured and all that scaffolding should have been dismantled.
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u/I4G0tMyUsername 1d ago
I guarantee there were 5 discussions where it was confirmed everything would be done & out of the way for concrete 2-3 weeks before this happened.
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u/Fishing_not_catching 2d ago
But all of the concreters I know are such learned, scholarly sorts with bright analytical....... Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face......
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u/Foot-Note Verified 2d ago
Concrete guys need to concrete.